Tr!PoD#19 524 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 Brodeur Luongo Lundqvist Turco Nabokov Miller Fleury Lehtonen Kiprusoff Vokoun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 Three categories is the easiest way to evenly divide the 30 goaltenders, which is why I chose that route. Remember, I said the goalies I listed in each tier were in no particular order, meaning the top two goaltenders in the first tier (Brodeur and Luongo) are not equivalent to the 9th and 10th goalies. If you'd like, I could go back and number the three tiers to make it clear who I feel is stronger than who. But as for your opinion, we will have to agree to disagree. If you ask me, Turco and Backstrom are much, much better goalies than either Leclaire or Bryzgalov. The latter are good, sure, but Turco and Backstrom have shown that they can be great. I don't think three categories is the best nor the easiest way to go. 3 categories only makes sense for aesthetics, your list is nicely rounded in numbers, so it looks good. Here's why I disagree with the format. If you are creating categories to slot goaltenders, you have to break it up further that 'good, better, best' simply because not all tenders can be placed in the same category. There has to be more distinction between guys like Brodeur and Loungo vs Turco and Backstrom. There is no way you can make a legit argument for those four goaltenders to be placed in the same category. At the same time, Osgood is not as good as Turco, so that creates the same sort of mismatch in the second category. As for Turco and Backstrom vs Leclaire and Bryz, are you serious? What have any of those goaltenders done to prove they are great? I will concede that Backstrom and Turco have been to the playoffs while neither Bryz nor Leclaire have taken their team that far, but come on. If you throw any one of those four guys in net for Minnesota or Dallas, he is going to look pretty damn good. Not taking anything away from the group of guys, but there is no doubt that playing for Columbus or Phoenix would do more damage to your stats and playoff hopes than playing for Dallas or Minnesota. Truthfully, I'd say out of thoes 4, Bryz is the best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DyingAlive 27 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 Thank you! Finally, someone ELSE who gets it! Couldn't agree more. And now that he's got two surgically "maintained" hips, a surgically "maintained" knee, (not repaired....apparently HE doesn't consider them to be "injuries" that have required major surgery, but more along the lines of "routine maintenance", and states that "that's what the summer is for"......<heavy sigh>), and a growing number of concussions, one wonders if he'll last another 2 seasons with the "sizzling bacon", (HIS words, not mine), style of goaltending he plays, let alone the THIRTEEN years remaining on his current contract. <heavy, HEAVY sigh.....> I do think you have a point, however, I also believe that DiPietro is one of the top 15 in the league. He posts decent numbers playing for a crappy team and he's very fundamentally sound. Ever since he was with the Sound Tigers I've seen it. He can get it done. That is why he is ranked so high with so many people. If the Islanders were going somewhere for once, it would be a different story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 I don't get the love for Turco. Yeah, he has good numbers for his career, but when i think top ten goalie, he just isn't in the mix for me. Hes not far off the top ten, but i can't put him that high. Maybe it's just me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outsider 42 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 (edited) I do think you have a point, however, I also believe that DiPietro is one of the top 15 in the league. He posts decent numbers playing for a crappy team and he's very fundamentally sound. Ever since he was with the Sound Tigers I've seen it. He can get it done. That is why he is ranked so high with so many people. If the Islanders were going somewhere for once, it would be a different story. This is where you and I will have to agree to disagree. Rick has absolutely NO fundamentals on which to fall back. Rick's SELF TERMED "sizzling bacon" style of goaltending relies on reflexes and athleticism alone. It's why his game goes completely, and I DO mean completely, in the crapper when he's hampered by any injury or ailment which compromises his speed even the slightest bit. And before you go annointing him as one of the "top 15 in the league", you might wanna take a look at his record in high pressure situations. Not just a select few, either, but every high pressure "win or go home" situation he's ever faced. From college to present..... Rick is highly rated by alot of people who watch him play a few games a year, against their team. People who've heard for years how "spectacular" he is, playing on such a garbage Team. And because he's got Adam Graves' looks, with Patrick Roy's arrogance. Takes more than highlight reel saves to come CLOSE to a "top 15" in the NHL. And having a couple, (yes, a couple), of morons decide that they're gonna buck the trend and make HISTORY by being the first to draft a goaltender #1 overall is a weak indication of talent level. Milbury was the first to admit that he drafted Rick 1st overall on CHARISMA alone. He never once saw him play in a game prior to Draft Day, 2000. Also, bear in mind that Rick opted to enter the Draft a year early, due to the fact that 2000 was a WEAK draft year for goaltenders, whereas 2001 was, (at that time), thought to be stacked with loads of goalie talent. Edited October 16, 2008 by Outsider Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 This is where you and I will have to agree to disagree. Rick has absolutely NO fundamentals on which to fall back. Rick's SELF TERMED "sizzling bacon" style of goaltending relies on reflexes and athleticism alone. It's why his game goes completely, and I DO mean completely, in the crapper when he's hampered by any injury or ailment which compromises his speed even the slightest bit. And before you go annointing him as one of the "top 15 in the league", you might wanna take a look at his record in high pressure situations. Not just a select few, either, but every high pressure "win or go home" situation he's ever faced. From college to present..... Rick is highly rated by alot of people who watch him play a few games a year, against their team. People who've heard for years how "spectacular" he is, playing on such a garbage Team. And because he's got Adam Graves' looks, with Patrick Roy's arrogance. Takes more than highlight reel saves to come CLOSE to a "top 15" in the NHL. And having a couple, (yes, a couple), of morons decide that they're gonna buck the trend and make HISTORY by being the first to draft a goaltender #1 overall is a weak indication of talent level. Milbury was the first to admit that he drafted Rick 1st overall on CHARISMA alone. He never once saw him play in a game prior to Draft Day, 2000. Also, bear in mind that Rick opted to enter the Draft a year early, due to the fact that 2000 was a WEAK draft year for goaltenders, whereas 2001 was, (at that time), thought to be stacked with loads of goalie talent. Damn, that's harsh! Ricky D has only finished one season with a Sv% below .900. That was his rookie year, where all he did was turn in a .894 Sv%. It's funny how people say that about Ricky. I think it's because he was the reason Luongo got traded (and that has to be one of the worst deal ever, the Isles lost Luongo and Jokien, and got Parrish and Kvasha in return.) If you look at the stats, you'll see that Ricky and Bobby are pretty close in numbers. Career stats.... Bobby - .919 Sv%, and a 2.59 GAA Ricky - .905Sv%, and a 2.68 GAA Pretty. Damn. Close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outsider 42 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 Damn, that's harsh! Ricky D has only finished one season with a Sv% below .900. That was his rookie year, where all he did was turn in a .894 Sv%. It's funny how people say that about Ricky. I think it's because he was the reason Luongo got traded (and that has to be one of the worst deal ever, the Isles lost Luongo and Jokien, and got Parrish and Kvasha in return.) If you look at the stats, you'll see that Ricky and Bobby are pretty close in numbers. Career stats.... Bobby - .919 Sv%, and a 2.59 GAA Ricky - .905Sv%, and a 2.68 GAA Pretty. Damn. Close. Well now..... You didn't ask me about my opinion on Luongo, now did you? I'd have to say that yes..... They are, indeed, very similar goaltenders. In some aspects, at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 i dont see how kip can not be a top tier goalie.. and for JSG i would say a medium 2nd tier Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 i dont see how kip can not be a top tier goalie.. and for JSG i would say a medium 2nd tier Kipper is not elite goalie. He was 4 years ago. He is too lazy to keep in shape and train properly. Giguere on the other hand is elite goalie and he was pretty good last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 (edited) 1. Luongo 2. Brodeur 3. Lundqvist 4. Nabokov 5. Kipprusoff 6. Turco 7. Miller 8. Vokoun 9. Osgood 10. Fleury Guys who could be on a higher level by next season... Price, Bryzgalov, Backstrom, Lehtonen, Garon. Edited October 16, 2008 by BeeRYCE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 Tier 1 1. Martin Brodeur 2. Roberto Luongo 3. Henrik Lundqvist 4. Miikka Kiprusoff 5. Evgeni Nabokov 6. Marty Turco 7. J-S Giguere 8. Chris Osgood 9. Ryan Miller 10. Ilya Bryzgalov Tier 2 1. Carey Price 2. Rick DiPietro 3. Martin Biron 4. Marc Andre Fleury 5. Cristobal Huet 6. Tim Thomas 7. Tomas Vokoun 8. Jose Theodore 9. Vesa Toskala 10. Mathieu Garon 8. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 Kipper is not elite goalie. He was 4 years ago. He is too lazy to keep in shape and train properly. Giguere on the other hand is elite goalie and he was pretty good last year. Kipper is still a good goalie, and one of the best. He had kind of an off year last season, but yet still managed 39 wins. Just because he's off to a shakey start this season, and a mediocre 07/08 doesn't completely rule him out as elite. If he does poor this season, then we can talk about him not being a top 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frederick9125 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2008 1- Luongo 2-Brodeur 3-Lundqvist 4-Osgood 5-Nabokov 6- Kiprusoff 7-Fleury 8-Miller 9-Price 10-Leclaire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Well now..... You didn't ask me about my opinion on Luongo, now did you? I'd have to say that yes..... They are, indeed, very similar goaltenders. In some aspects, at least. Ok, so let me ask. What is your opinion of Bobby? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outsider 42 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Ok, so let me ask. What is your opinion of Bobby? Roberto Luongo is a talented goaltender. Same as Rick. They both have alot of talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) 1. Lundqvist 2. Brodeur 3. Evgeni Nabokov Those are the three that stand out for me. I see most people have Marty B as no.1, am I the only one who thinks he has started to slip a bit? He seems to have started to let in some very weak goals every now and then.. still a definite top 3, but I think this is the year when Lundqvist will take the vezina. P.S I'm obviously biased since I'm from Sweden, but still. Edited October 17, 2008 by dat's sick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
