Hossa's Motor City gig might be just revving up

[Guest mindfly]

is it really impossible for Hossa and zetterberg to take around 5million and franzen around 3.5? it's still ALOT of money, and if they would win the cup why would any of them want to play somewhere else? oh, and trade some thrash players... and voila, all fit under the cap.

Edited December 1, 2008 by mindfly

[Reilly 24]

It's such a cliche' but it's so true - this is a business. More often than not, you have to listen to your head, and ignore your heart. It's almost never what have you done for me, and it's always what have you done for me lately.

What has Hossa done his last couple seasons, let alone his entire career?

Oh, that's right.

Nothing.

I'll take the Selke runner-up, Gold Medal, Conn Smythe winner, and Stanley Cup Champion over a player who's trying to leech a Cup of his own.

Hossa also has had knee issues, specifically last year, and he's 2 years older than Hank.

[thedisappearer 291]

What has Hossa done his last couple seasons, let alone his entire career?

The last two seasons? Scored 72 goals and not missed a game. Had a 100 point season. Score 26 points in 20 playoff games.

Yeah, he kinda sucks...

[Booster313 138]

Wow, it's like people already forgot what Zetterberg did last year.

Hossa has been great, so far, but any Red Wings fan knows the backbone of this organization is its loyalty. Hossa will be on their list to re-sign for sure, but that's not until Zetterberg, Franzen, and Hudler are dealt with first.

I'm thinking there will only be enough money to re-sign Zetterberg and Franzen. Hossa will be let go and Hudler will have to be traded or signed away with a RFA contract offer from another team.

If Kenny can keep Z, Fanzen, and Hossa...Hudler would be an acceptable casualty.

Edited December 1, 2008 by Booster313

[Dabura 12,232]

What has Hossa done his last couple seasons, let alone his entire career?

Almost singlehandedly took the Wings to seven games in the SCF. Become the league's most consistent, reliable goal-scorer and one of its best two-way players. Yeah, nothing big.

There was an excellent stat someone posted at the season. I believe it was a comparison between Hossa's career points total versus the combined career total of everyone else in the Wings' top-6. He won, of course.

I'm OK with the argument that money is going to be tight and Holland is going to be loyal. I'm not OK with tearing down Hossa just because it ruffles some people's feathers that other people are suggesting he might be retained instead of, say, Franzen. Since his rookie season, Hossa's done nothing but produce, and now he's leading the charge with the Wings. If you think he's gone after this season, cool -- but give credit where credit's due.

[Dabura 12,232]

Also, I'm not sold on YoungGuns' argument that the only thing keeping him here is 07-08's roster. I think Hossa would have come here even if the Wings had parted ways with some of the pieces of the Cup run. I say that for two reasons: 1) He's good enough to compensate for losing a couple of second-tier players, 2) The Pens (the Wings' apparent "rivals") were on the verge of losing a lot of talent, which they ultimately did. Moreover, it's not difficult to imagine why he would want to stay here beyond this season, regardless of what happens in the playoffs and regardless of what happens with the roster. Do I think he'll stay? Probably not -- but that would be more an issue of finance than "ZOMG IF JIRI HUDLER GOES THEN I GO! THIS AIN'T WHAT I SIGNED UP 4!"

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

don't count on it or else we will look like pens fans

With the cap reportedly going down I just don't see how Kenny could manage to keep him along with a good amount of our important pieces. Personally, I'd rather enjoy him being a Wing this year and just see what happens. No hard feelings either way.

[adamic 0]

Also, I'm not sold on YoungGuns' argument that the only thing keeping him here is 07-08's roster. I think Hossa would have come here even if the Wings had parted ways with some of the pieces of the Cup run. I say that for two reasons: 1) He's good enough to compensate for losing a couple of second-tier players, 2) The Pens (the Wings' apparent "rivals") were on the verge of losing a lot of talent, which they ultimately did. Moreover, it's not difficult to imagine why he would want to stay here beyond this season, regardless of what happens in the playoffs and regardless of what happens with the roster. Do I think he'll stay? Probably not -- but that would be more an issue of finance than "ZOMG IF JIRI HUDLER GOES THEN I GO! THIS AIN'T WHAT I SIGNED UP 4!"

We beat the team with Hossa on it. Go general manage a pee wee team if you are so inclined. Holland is the best and all you guys do is *****. Start a fantasy team or something.

[wingfan1991 221]

Z all the way !!!

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Z all the way !!!

It won't be an issue of that. It'll be an issue of Franzen plus 2-3 others for Hossa, but no way Holland lets Z walk or doesn't give him his fair due.

[yankeebaddabing 0]

It seems all of you have forgot about this year and the current team we have. Why are you so caught up in this offseason, Kenny will handle that when the time comes but I for one am enjoying the Team we have and love watching Babcock have his cake and eat it too.

The thread should have been Who will lead the team in Goals or Points this season

Z or Hoss, Maybe Dats that is the question

Lets make it to the playoffs then push for the CUP then you people can ***** and whine about who is staying or leaving

- My 2 Cents -

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Zetterberg is our next captain why would we give him up again?

[Dabura 12,232]

We beat the team with Hossa on it. Go general manage a pee wee team if you are so inclined.

Uh...are you calling me out? I'm confused.

[frederick9125 0]

to keep z, mule, and hossa and huds is a rfa

would have to get rid of

flip, rafi, sammy and cleary

3m, 6, 1.2 2.8

hope the cap goes up

homer(2.250) Dats(6.7) hossa(?)

huds(?) z(?) Mule(?)

helm(.598) draps(1.583) malts(.883)

Abdvalkader (.740) ?(?) meech(.483)

13.237

lid(7.450) Ericcson(.900)

Kronner(3) sturart(3.750)

lebda(.850) lilja(1.250)

17.2

oz(1.4)

larrson(.635)

2.035

total 36.435

cap is 57.450

z gets 7

hossa gets 7.

mule 4

huds 2.3

if cap stays same, leaves us with .715

for a 4th line center

[frederick9125 0]

so don't count on all them returning next season, someone is gone!

[wingfan1991 221]

It won't be an issue of that. It'll be an issue of Franzen plus 2-3 others for Hossa, but no way Holland lets Z walk or doesn't give him his fair due.

get rid of hudler and sammy.. and hossa. keep z and franzen.

z is #1.. hossa will demand too much. hudler and sammy are expendable (leino and helm way cheaper and better). franzen can stay in this scenario, along with Z .. problem solved

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

get rid of hudler and sammy.. and hossa. keep z and franzen.

z is #1.. hossa will demand too much. hudler and sammy are expendable (leino and helm way cheaper and better). franzen can stay in this scenario, along with Z .. problem solved

The bolded is not a problem...that's what could realistically happen. However, there's a decent chance Hudler and Sammy will be re-signed as well if Hossa parts. FYI, while cheaper neither Helm nor Leino are better than Hudler or Sammy.

[wingfan1991 221]

The bolded is not a problem...that's what could realistically happen. However, there's a decent chance Hudler and Sammy will be re-signed as well if Hossa parts. FYI, while cheaper neither Helm nor Leino are better than Hudler or Sammy.

sammy i'd give up for a bag of pucks.

helm is solid.. cant wait to see him up here full time. hudler is a opportunistic.. im sure leino from what i have seen and heard of him, he can do just as good at a bit cheaper.

[frederick9125 0]

leino we would have to resign, and he'll probably get some good offers for teams that will play him like a atl, or toronto, fla, edm ect.....

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

sammy i'd give up for a bag of pucks.

helm is solid.. cant wait to see him up here full time. hudler is a opportunistic.. im sure leino from what i have seen and heard of him, he can do just as good at a bit cheaper.

A guy that is producing and only makes $1.2 million. Yeah, that sounds like someone you should give up. [/sarcasm]

[chrisdetroit 189]

The last two seasons? Scored 72 goals and not missed a game. Had a 100 point season. Score 26 points in 20 playoff games.

Yeah, he kinda sucks...

Thats wrong. He only played in 72 games last year.

In fact he only had 66 points last year and the year before last he had 1 lousy point in 4 playoff games. I guess if you combine the 2 years it looks impressive until you look a little closer.

He's a great player but he has not been injury free and until last year was a no show in the playoffs. He's also never won any individual awards and until last year despite being on some great Ottawa teams, was never able to win the big shiny silver thing.

Z has been great individually as a Selke runner up and a Conn Smythe winner and led his team to the cup. Hossa has never done any of these things and he's older than Hank.

I'd take Hank

[frederick9125 0]

Hank has had back issues also past couple years. age isn't that different. hossa is great at stealing the puck. i say you have to wait til the end of the year and go from there

[A.T.Hun 0]

I'm just thankful that our problem is, "We have so many good players--how can we afford to keep them all?"

[SaCkaveli20 275]

Why is everyone talking about last year being the first year Hossa has produced in the playoffS?

I always heard Dats never produced in the playoffs either.....

So don't worry about the playoffs..

I bet we somehow keep all 4..(Z, Mule, Huds, #81)

Holland is a genius....you just wait and see...

[Dabura 12,232]

until last year was a no show in the playoffs.

Like I tell you every time you bring up this inane argument, check his numbers and then compare his with Datsyuk's.

The guy's a damn Wing, people. And he took a big discount to be here. And he's producing. It boggles my mind that people here would give him crap like this -- i.e. going so far as to flat-out make stuff up just to knock him down a couple notches.

Disappointing.