Sharks attribute success to Shelley's watchful Eye

[Frozen-Man 144]

OK Mr. Absolute. Yes, technically players still get run with fighters/enforcers on the team. Problem is, no one contested that. It's a stupid all-or-nothing comment to try and score some cheap points in this thread. Anyone with a f***in' head on their shoulders realizes the number of cheap s*** against your team goes down with an enforcer in tow. But please continue with your "Nuh-uh! It still happens!" crap, dancing all around the point being made without acknowledging it.

esteef

Why be such a prick? Why does it bother you so much that I disagree with you. Yes someone did contest that, and that is all I was trying to say then you and others try to start twisting stuff I never said. The original comment was that guys won't have to worry about getting run at. My ONLY point was that yes guys will still get run at and thus worry about it - I even acknowledged that the incidents were reduced by having an enforcer. I was merely trying to articulate that I don't think that is why we need an enforcer on the team - but I think there are other legitimate reasons for having one on the team. I didn't even know we got points in this thread, I was merely stating that guys will still cheap shot our players with and enforcer - the benefit that they provide is the response to the cheap shot and the mental toughness that can come from that response - but the cheap shots will still happen. AS for the straw man, I DIDN'T BRING UP THE POINT THAT OUR GUYS WOULDN'T GET RUN AT - THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY SOMEONE ELSE. It is stupid to get mad at me for disputing a claim someone else made and then claim that I made it.

[12Newf 0]

the sharks also added a good coach who brought with him a proven system, dan boyle, and rob blake. setoguchi and vlasic are one year older and much better players. marleau quit sucking and murray has come into his own.

im gonna say that is the reason for their success.

[esteef 2,679]

Why be such a prick? Why does it bother you so much that I disagree with you. Yes someone did contest that, and that is all I was trying to say then you and others try to start twisting stuff I never said. The original comment was that guys won't have to worry about getting run at. My ONLY point was that yes guys will still get run at and thus worry about it - I even acknowledged that the incidents were reduced by having an enforcer. I was merely trying to articulate that I don't think that is why we need an enforcer on the team - but I think there are other legitimate reasons for having one on the team. I didn't even know we got points in this thread, I was merely stating that guys will still cheap shot our players with and enforcer - the benefit that they provide is the response to the cheap shot and the mental toughness that can come from that response - but the cheap shots will still happen. AS for the straw man, I DIDN'T BRING UP THE POINT THAT OUR GUYS WOULDN'T GET RUN AT - THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY SOMEONE ELSE. It is stupid to get mad at me for disputing a claim someone else made and then claim that I made it.

Better not let Bettman hear you talking like that!

I think the original comment "meant" to say guys worry LESS about guys running them with a fighter in the lineup. Does that work better?

esteef

[Frozen-Man 144]

How do you know this? It's just your opinion that he's not the reason. Right?

BTW, it's not lost on me that the linked article was just the writer's opinion, but that doesn't make it false does it?

esteef

Correct, in fact if you'll notice at the end of that post I made that clear, I stated: "I just don't see him as that big a difference maker." Almost all of the statements I made in this thread (like most in this thread) are my opinion. In fact, the only reason that I posted on this thread in the first place is that I saw the topic and was intrigued. The title states that the Sharks attribute their success to Shelley. So I went and read the article: the Sharks do not "attribute success to Shelley's watchful eye". In fact, no one from the Sharks is even quoted or attributed to saying anything about the subject. The only person who did "attribute success to Shelley's watchful eye" is Archie Roboostoff some random guy who joined two days ago joined a site where any fan can contribute an article. This is not from ESPN that is a crock. That's right check out the site it is open source and anybody can contribute an article just like this guy did. I'm thinking of writing an article on how no TV timeouts after an icing call is why the Sharks are doing so well this year and then starting a thread here citing the article and stating that the Sharks claimed that no TV timeouts after icing calls are the reason for their success. AGAIN, THE SHARKS ARE NOT MAKING THIS CLAIM SOME SHARKS FAN WHO IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE SHARKS OR EVEN A PROFESSION WRITER WHO MIGHT HAVE ACCESS TO THE SHARKS MANAGEMENT OR PLAYERS JOINED AN OPEN SOURCE SITE TWO DAYS AGO AND WROTE HIS OPINION ON THE SUBJECT BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT THE SHARKS OPINION.

To cite this as how the Sharks think about their season is silly. If this guy wants to have that opinion or any poster here wants to have that opinion that is fine BUT THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT IT IS THE SHARKS OPINION.

That is really what this thread was about and then I responded to a specific comment and people got pissed.

[Frozen-Man 144]

Better not let Bettman hear you talking like that!

I think the original comment "meant" to say guys worry LESS about guys running them with a fighter in the lineup. Does that work better?

esteef

I know I might get a 6 game suspension. But yeah it does help if it was stated that guys worry less (although I don't think you really can worry that much less because they have to stay constantly aware and on guard for getting run at intentionally or other wise). My comment is because some on this site (not you) act as if having an enforcer somehow magically makes your team invulnerable, other players will stop hitting your stars, no more checking, no more cheap shots, all because fear of retribution. While it does diminish it to a degree, I don't think it does as much as some, where I think it helps is in the response after those actions.

[Guest E_S_A_D]

You know, I've been reading and posting in this thread exhaustingly so. I had quite the epiphany. Those that are opposed to having an enforcer most likely have never even been to Joe Louis Arena. I've checked profiles, most the anti-enforcers I'm willing to bet are bandwagon Wings fans that have never even stepped food in Detroit...

Hence profile locations hundreds if not thousands of Miles from Hockeytown.

As a longtime season ticket holder in years past, I can tell a Wings fan in attendance. I've yet to see a Wings fan not stand up during a fight. It's the most electric time in the Joe except for when the horn goes from a goal.

[Guest E_S_A_D]

Mods, could you unlock this thread? When I created the poll it accidentally closed the thread.

I apologize.

Edited December 17, 2008 by E_S_A_D

[Z and D for the C 712]

You know, I've been reading and posting in this thread exhaustingly so. I had quite the epiphany. Those that are opposed to having an enforcer most likely have never even been to Joe Louis Arena. I've checked profiles, most the anti-enforcers I'm willing to bet are bandwagon Wings fans that have never even stepped food in Detroit...

Hence profile locations hundreds if not thousands of Miles from Hockeytown.

As a longtime season ticket holder in years past, I can tell a Wings fan in attendance. I've yet to see a Wings fan not stand up during a fight. It's the most electric time in the Joe except for when the horn goes from a goal.

What is the problem for you? No one is against fighting, no one is against enforcers. We're against the one dimensional play of Downy. Why is that so hard to follow?

And for the record, I live in "detroit", I've been a fan of the wings since I can remember, and I go to multiple games at the Joe each season. No one loves going to the Joe more than me (caveat: I'm not saying everyone loves going less than me...). So far this year I went to the New Jersey game, where Mccarty got in a fight. Despite being a boring fight and McCarty losing, I was absolutely on my feet the entire time (something that can't be said of 80% of the arena). I like fighting, just not at the expense of other aspects of the game. That is the WHOLE point.

[FunkedUp 29]

I think the argument people have is that our 4th line is not producing and that some enforcers on other teams have more points than our bottom liners...at least at this point.

So to some, the argument of having a 1-dimensional enforcer means more than having a 4th liner who can't fight and lights the lamp rarely.

I for one would rather have a tough guy in the lineup over Kopecky....

[skacore 2]

OK OK hold on, before this thread can continue, how did Mac lose this fight?!?

the same way Downey apparently "got his ass kicked" all of last year?