CopenhagenWing 38 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 From 1979-1991 the league had 21 teams playing an 80-game schedule. Odd numbers can work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted January 12, 2009 If they folded I'd hope they'd bring Anaheim, Atlanta, Nashville, and Florida with them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Just one of a few "solid" franchises, acording to "Inspector Gadget". His "State of the League" statements at the ASG are always funny. Idea: let them wallow in the desert, running on League money being pumped in, until the end of the season. Then move them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donaldjr2448 43 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 If they folded I'd hope they'd bring Anaheim, Atlanta, Nashville, and Florida with them. Man I can't agree with you more. Maybe hold onto Anaheim, but seriously get rid of Atlanta, Nashville, and Florida!! Lets say Phoenix, Nashville, Atlanta, and Florida all cease operations. What then happens to all of their prospects?? Do they then go as UFA's?? Or simply re-enter the draft? Nashville has some very decent prospects in Milwaukee right now. I am so sick and tried of The Wings, Leafs, Canadiens, Rangers, Hawks, and Bruins, and other teams that stay afloat and run good businesses have to dish money out to these crap markets like Nashville. As I have stated before Nashville and Tennessee in general is garbage sports market. If it doesn't have anything to do with The University of Tennessee, then it doesn't matter to these people. When the Titans sucked about 3 or 4 years ago people wanted them out, they didn't want to pay taxes on a losing team!! I guess no one wants a losing team, but when the chips are down thats the best time to be a fan, it makes when you win much more fun! I think all of us that had to watch the Wings in the 70's and 80's would agree!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 From 1979-1991 the league had 21 teams playing an 80-game schedule. Odd numbers can work. Ok, cool so 1 team could fold. Thanks for the info! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 I doubt the Communist Party NHL Board of Directors would allow a team to fold, but rather, move it somewhere.. like, you know, Kansas City, or Las Vegas, or Baja California. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 I doubt the Communist Party NHL Board of Directors would allow a team to fold, but rather, move it somewhere.. like, you know, Kansas City, or Las Vegas, or Baja California. Kansas City and Las Vegas have been the two most talked about cities, if a team moves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nutz2u Report post Posted January 12, 2009 I don't understand why anyone would think a hockey team would work in Vegas. Home forclosure rate is one of the highest in the nation. People go there to gamble, not watch a Hockey game.... s*** it's more barren desert than Pheonix......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Kansas City and Las Vegas have been the two most talked about cities, if a team moves. I know. Baja was thrown in there just for lulz, though I'm waiting for the day that the NHL's southern expansion brings a team to Mexico City. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 I don't understand why anyone would think a hockey team would work in Vegas. Home forclosure rate is one of the highest in the nation. People go there to gamble, not watch a Hockey game.... s*** it's more barren desert than Pheonix......... Agree. And with so much other "stuff" to do in Vegas, who do they think would go to the games? Hookers with nothing better to do? esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donaldjr2448 43 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) Oh MY GOD!!! You guys have stumbled onto something awesome!! Ok I know that the house rate isn't good in Vegas and yeah its worse than Phoenix, but just think, if the NHL moved the Phoenix Coyotes to Vegas and changed their name to the Las Vegas Hookers! heres the best part, you all have seen all the teams that have ice dancers and girls in tight little outfits that clean the ice, well..... how about strippers that do the samething, it could be a stripclub, plus a hockeygame!!! DAMN!! How is that for attendance!!! But seriously, Vegas is not a good hockey area!! They even tried an outdoor game their in 1992, the only reason it sold any tickets is because The Great One played. Not to mention it would take the National Guard to keep Gretzky's wife out of the casino's!!! Edited January 12, 2009 by Donaldjr2448 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilmrt 636 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Yep, this isn't too far off the mark, from what I keep hearing. I've been meaning to go down to Phoenix to see some more games before they do move or fold. I seriously doubt they last any more than one more season, and I would not be surprised at all if this was the last. In terms of numbers though, is the break-up of the team more likely than a sale and a move? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldredbarnman 13 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 You could name the team "Blackjacks", have slot machines in the bathrooms and concession stands; better yet, incorporate them into the seats. To get people to attend, have a "Chicken Ranch" in the arena. Have a "Hooker Night" promotion. The home team scores 5 goals, present your ticket stub to any street walker for half off on......................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 You could name the team "Blackjacks", have slot machines in the bathrooms and concession stands; better yet, incorporate them into the seats. To get people to attend, have a "Chicken Ranch" in the arena. Have a "Hooker Night" promotion. The home team scores 5 goals, present your ticket stub to any street walker for half off on......................... Just what we need, another arena full of suits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 I don't tunderstand why people on here would seriously think that the team would return to Winnipeg. Or or any Canadian city at that. It's been stated over and over again about the ability for a city in the country to support an nhl franchise, that does not currently have a team. The owner(s) would have to be willing to lose millions upon millions to stick a team in places like Winnipeg, Halifax, Regina, or Quebec City. Those markets cannot realisticly compete with the TV markets in Florida, Atlanta, Phoenix, Anaheim, and Nashville! Why the hell do you think they are there in these markets already? Its all about the tv. And has nothing to do with the weather outside! The only area that would have the possibility of carrying another team would be in the southern Ontario, in and around Toronto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 The NHL Community Funds just isn't working. It's keeping several franchises floating that should've left a logn time ago. But alas, that is what happens with socialism. Frankly, it'd be ridiculous to simply move Phoenix unless it was to a northern team. And with th eeconomy the way it is, the same problems are going to exist wherever it moves. I hope they fold. The league needs to contract a bit and stop diluting the talent on teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donfishmaster 62 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Wow, you put a lot of time into that. Why not try the same idea for some other useless teams that nobody cares about, such as Colorado, Anaheim, or Pittsburgh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 The problem with the "Thinning the Heard" philosophy (my own catchy name) is that it affects all teams in a very negative economic manner. I am behind contracting however it is going to be hard to pull off after the salary cap, not exactly easy before the salary cap, damn near impossible after wards. You are removing the lowest priced players (for the most part, first contracts excluded) and are going to have to force teams to sign higher priced leftovers, for lack of better term. So Jokinen is available from Pheonix, who can afford to add him? Take ANA for example, they could use the offensive boost, however their is no way in hell they can afford him under the cap, well maybe they could they do have about 75 FA's next season. Or a team like Det would have to trade away 4 younger or inferior players if they are even that lucky to fit him in. Unless they did a league wide salary restructure, like they did coming out of the lock out, I just don't see how a contraction is physically possible at this point and again I am behind the idea 100%, I think there are 4 too many teams. Which 4 to contract is a completely different argument and no matter who you pick would piss off 1000's! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Ken Klee to Pittsburgh at 13??! Go smoke another one. I also wonder what we would be done about the Cap. Most of the teams are close to the cap and wouldnt be able to pick up some of the higher salaried players. Klee is a bargain at 1.25 million and as a #6/7 defenceman under the cap. If the 'Yotes struggle down the stretch and shed salary, there will be a few takers for him. Even a team close to the cap would love to find room to add a Shane Doan or a Kyle Turris for nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) The problem with the "Thinning the Heard" philosophy (my own catchy name) is that it affects all teams in a very negative economic manner. I am behind contracting however it is going to be hard to pull off after the salary cap, not exactly easy before the salary cap, damn near impossible after wards. You are removing the lowest priced players (for the most part, first contracts excluded) and are going to have to force teams to sign higher priced leftovers, for lack of better term. So Jokinen is available from Pheonix, who can afford to add him? Take ANA for example, they could use the offensive boost, however their is no way in hell they can afford him under the cap, well maybe they could they do have about 75 FA's next season. Or a team like Det would have to trade away 4 younger or inferior players if they are even that lucky to fit him in. Unless they did a league wide salary restructure, like they did coming out of the lock out, I just don't see how a contraction is physically possible at this point and again I am behind the idea 100%, I think there are 4 too many teams. Which 4 to contract is a completely different argument and no matter who you pick would piss off 1000's! With as many money-losing deadbeats out of the way, perhaps the remaining NHL teams would be better positioned to make more money and push the cap up a couple million. What I'm saying is that when the league calculates all league revenues, the total overall figure would be down, but the per-team revenue would undoubtedly (IMO) be higher, if that makes any sense. EDIT: Not only are they getting low revenues, the league's revenue-sharing isn't going to help them as much as they may have thought: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3827740 The Coyotes are expected to lose $30 million or more this season, on top of the more than $60 million they are reported to have lost the past two years. This is despite ticket sales which are up by a reported 90,000 tickets from a year ago. I really think it's a matter of when, not if, the Coyotes are dealt with by the league. Edited January 12, 2009 by mjlegend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertWing 11 Report post Posted January 12, 2009 Not sure which peeves me more: Pheonix --or-- Detriot Seriously.....Phoenix is the fifth largest city in the country. How can so many people not know how to spell it? [/rant] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bogeygolfer 4 Report post Posted January 13, 2009 I doubt the Communist Party NHL Board of Directors would allow a team to fold, but rather, move it somewhere.. like, you know, Kansas City, or Las Vegas, or Baja California. The team would need to file for chapter 11 bankrupcy to get out of the lease in phoenix, and if they went bankrupt some like JOVO who is overpaid would probably go unclaimed if on waivers. And then the team could just terminate his contract as part of bankrupcy, but then you get into a whole bunch of legal things, with a whole bunch of lawyers involved. Jovo is probably the only guy who would fall into that category, so to save the headache a number of things could happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted January 13, 2009 I would be interested in Turris, Carcillo, Michalek, Yandle, Hanzal, Mueller if the Wings could draft a player or players from the Coyotes. Young, skilled, versatile players. what about Boedker ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted January 13, 2009 With as many money-losing deadbeats out of the way, perhaps the remaining NHL teams would be better positioned to make more money and push the cap up a couple million. What I'm saying is that when the league calculates all league revenues, the total overall figure would be down, but the per-team revenue would undoubtedly (IMO) be higher, if that makes any sense. EDIT: Not only are they getting low revenues, the league's revenue-sharing isn't going to help them as much as they may have thought: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3827740 I really think it's a matter of when, not if, the Coyotes are dealt with by the league. Phoenix can NOT make a player move at this point without the OK from the NHL league office... This essentially means that the NHL is propping this team up. I think they are trying to negotiate the lease changes, plus find another owner or even perhaps home for this squad. Phoenix had been receiving advances on their revenue sharing money to help out with the bills.....This is worse than anyone cares to admit.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted January 13, 2009 Man I can't agree with you more. Maybe hold onto Anaheim, but seriously get rid of Atlanta, Nashville, and Florida!! Lets say Phoenix, Nashville, Atlanta, and Florida all cease operations. What then happens to all of their prospects?? Do they then go as UFA's?? Or simply re-enter the draft? Nashville has some very decent prospects in Milwaukee right now. I am so sick and tried of The Wings, Leafs, Canadiens, Rangers, Hawks, and Bruins, and other teams that stay afloat and run good businesses have to dish money out to these crap markets like Nashville. As I have stated before Nashville and Tennessee in general is garbage sports market. If it doesn't have anything to do with The University of Tennessee, then it doesn't matter to these people. When the Titans sucked about 3 or 4 years ago people wanted them out, they didn't want to pay taxes on a losing team!! I guess no one wants a losing team, but when the chips are down thats the best time to be a fan, it makes when you win much more fun! I think all of us that had to watch the Wings in the 70's and 80's would agree!! Im living back in the Nashville area, and I agree with your points about fan support in Nashville; but many of these people think that it will work itself out and the rumors will go away... They seem to have more people screaming "SAVE OUR TEAM" than actually go to the games... Those restaurants and bars along Broadway south of the Sommet Center benefit greatly from the Preds being around, but most of them do not own season tickets. Most of the support such as that goes to the Titans, Vanderbilt, or U of Tennessee.. Preds come in after them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
