The Ducks

[Duck Guy 86]

Ok lets say the sun has burnt out and hell has frozen over... and you actually care about the ducks success..what do you do with the free agent and cap situation the ducks are in for the 09-10 season? Trying to avoid a whole thread saying "ducks suck" trust me i know how most people stand on these forums about the ducks

UFAs:

Brendan Morrison (i say let go he has not producing at all)

Todd Marchant

Rob Niedermayer (ehhh he has his moments)

Samuel Pahlsson (must re sign this guy i think he will be on crack to let him go)

Travis Moen

George Parros (even though alot of people like him i say ducks let him go but probably wont)

Scott Niedermayer (pretty much done for he aint coming back)

Bret Hedican (ehh...)

Steve Montador (i say ducks keep him)

Kent Huskins

Beauchemin, Francois (must re sign)

Bodie, Troy

Nathan McIver (who? lol) (RFA)

Brett Festerling (RFA)

11 UFA/RFA

Players Under Contract for next year + cap hit (assuming teemu stays):

Teemu

Ryan Getzlaf

Corey Perry

Chris Kunitz

Bobby Ryan

Ryan Carter

Chris Pronger

JSG

Jonas Hiller

Todd Bertuzzi (still hurting from this craptuzzi guy)

Total cap hit: 35.777 (mill)

And it will be even harder with the salary cap going down

Reason I ask the ducks board I belong 2 have been really discussing this lately with how the ducks are performing right now with what seems like off and on play

[Casey 145]

I'd say to let both Niedermayers walk. Neither is contributing, and given their past resistance to taking reasonable contracts, I would wager better could be found cheaper and easier.

[Duck Guy 86]

:puke:

like i said i know.... but just let it die if u dont want to participate ^^

[Ms_Hockey 0]

I'm with Casey on this one. Let both Neidermayers walk. As they stated, you're likely to find better at a cheaper rate due to their arrogance in regards to contracts.

Also, Pahlsson is a must.

[T.Low 1,011]

Interested in watching this thread as I don't get to see/hear about the Ducks much. Hope it has a long interesting life. Thanks Duck Guy.

[Duck Guy 86]

Interested in watching this thread as I don't get to see/hear about the Ducks much. Hope it has a long interesting life. Thanks Duck Guy.

it has already surpassed my expectations i was bored so ehhh

[finalfilppula 2]

it has already surpassed my expectations i was bored so ehhh

now, don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to attack you, but i've always wondered how someone could maintain loyalty to two teams at once?

to me, it's not entirely dissimilar to polygamy ... but that's just my thought.

[Datsyerberger 279]

Ok lets say the sun has burnt out and hell has frozen over... and you actually care about the ducks success..what do you do with the free agent and cap situation the ducks are in for the 09-10 season? Trying to avoid a whole thread saying "ducks suck" trust me i know how most people stand on these forums about the ducks

*Snip for length*

Don't worry, I care. Sorta. I mean, I despise the ducks less now that Burke is gone. Once Pronger is out I'll be able to tolerate them.

That situation though? Yeck. Thanks Burke.

Step 1: Pray

Step 2: Curse Burke's name

Step 3: Cry

Seriously though, I don't know the Ducks terribly well, but I can take a stab at this.

Well, instead of just looking at all the UFAs, let's look at your core:

Teemu -- Old, but can still light the lamp

Ryan Getzlaf -- Owns

Corey Perry -- Irritating little f***

Chris Kunitz -- Reliable 2nd liner

Bobby Ryan -- Skilled prospect

Ryan Carter -- Decent grinder? I don't really know enough about him/his play

Chris Pronger -- Well, he's Pronger. That's good for the Ducks and bad for everyone else.

JSG -- Solid goalie, whether its the pads, skill, or some combination of both.

Jonas Hiller -- Has performed quite well with his time so far

That's actually not a terrible core that's signed, so not all is bleak. You sure don't have to worry about goaltending, you still have a #1 d-man, a goalscoring forward, an up-and-coming 2nd/1st liner in Ryan, an experienced player in Kunitz, and an agitator in Perry.

Pardon me if I completely hose this:

Perry - Getzlaf - Salami

Kunitz - () - Ryan (maybe swap Ryan and Salami? Depending on Salami's ability to stay healthy..)

() - Carter - ()

Pronger - ()

() - ()

() - ()

Giggy

Hiller

Well, the good news is you have a mostly intact top 6, except a 2nd line center. You have a #1 D-man but nothing else. Now let's toss in some of your UFAs.

Perry - Getzlaf - Salami

Kunitz - () - Ryan

Moen - Pahlsson - (Rob) (Remember Rob's production tends to pick up in the playoffs)

() - Marchant - Parros (Long live the stache, and only if Marchant signs cheap)

Huskins

Pronger - Beauchemin (Pretty sure you can get him back)

(Scott?) - Pelican.. er Hedican (IF you get Scott back, awesome, though its understandably quite unlikely)

Montador - ()

So, if you manage to snag most of your UFAs and ditch the guys you dont want, you're in the hunt for:

2nd line offensive center

4th line player, vet grinder or talent in the system?

#3 ofensive D-man

#5/6 D-man

Possibly a little more if you can't get everyone, but no major pieces

Screw Morrison

I don't know enough about your RFAs or Bodie

Hopefully you have some talent in the system to fill in some gaps, I don't know the Ducks prospects well.

The Ducks cap situation is actually pretty good for all of this, you're keeping a lot of good talent for relatively cheap contracts and you're losing your albatrosses. If you can manage to keep the UFAs you want and fill in the gaps with good pieces, the Ducks actually have the potential to be a rather scary team next year.

Sorry if I just made a complete ass of myself, with some of the player's positions and what not, but I thought I'd take a whack at it.

[T.Low 1,011]

now, don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to attack you, but i've always wondered how someone could maintain loyalty to two teams at once?

to me, it's not entirely dissimilar to polygamy ... but that's just my thought.

The sure sign of one close minded individual. Sheesh. Its easy to be a fan of more than one team. Don't be ridiculous.

[ashenhigh 9]

Lots of decisions and changes will need to be addressed for the ducks, but they need to rid themselves of Brendan Morrison first. He honestly just has nothing left. Just a weak player, weak skater. Hes nothing like he was centering Naslund and Bertuzzi that is for sure.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Brian Burke signs the whole lot of them and moves them to Toronto which becomes known Goon City East.

The entire NHL Media being Canadian gets down on their knees and praises him for bringing all those big strong tuff Canadian boys to Toronto where they belong.

And no, I'm not being sarcastic. I see this happening (more or less).

[esteef 2,679]

Haha! I just noticed you're in section 420 Duckie! WhooHooooo! :smokin:

Bring Back Kariya!!!

esteef

[Duck Guy 86]

Don't worry, I care. Sorta. I mean, I despise the ducks less now that Burke is gone. Once Pronger is out I'll be able to tolerate them.

That situation though? Yeck. Thanks Burke.

Step 1: Pray

Step 2: Curse Burke's name

Step 3: Cry

I believe all ducks fans including me where blinded by the shiny cup to actually see he was smoking something with the moves he did.

Edited January 16, 2009 by Duck Guy

[Doggy 130]

I hate the Ducks so much it's not funny.

[edicius 3,269]

If the Ducks let Parros walk, I have a feeling he'll end up in Toronto.

[finalfilppula 2]

The sure sign of one close minded individual. Sheesh. Its easy to be a fan of more than one team. Don't be ridiculous.

i don't think it's ridiculous to claim allegiance to only one team. i don't hold the belief that the wings absolutely deserve to win 82 games a season, nor do i believe that all other teams can go to hell. i have a lot of respect for other teams in the league and am not prone to homerism of any sort.

[edicius 3,269]

I believe all ducks fans including me where blinded by the shiny cup to actually see he was smoking something with the moves he did.

It's a shame, too, for the true fans like you. Burke is a prime example of a GM mortgaging a team's future for what, thus far, has amounted to one season of success - last season, I was surprised the Ducks made it into the playoffs at all and when they did, they got steamrolled; this season, nothing seems terribly remarkable about them. For example, #9 Columbus is only three points back of them, with two games in hand and Anaheim's GF vs. GA are only a +1 at this point in the season. He just leaves a trail of wreckage in his wake wherever he goes.

However, you've got a couple of great building blocks on the team in the form of Bobby Ryan and Francois Beauchemin (perhaps a little old to be a "building block", but he's young enough to count ) - there's no way Anaheim lets Beachemin walk, as they will NEED good defensemen and a player like Pronger has maybe only another 3 or 4 years left in him, tops.

[Zion 93]

Needavacation absolutely sucks on defense.

Corey Fairy is a ***** to the 10th degree. The discussion about helmets coming off is moot point when you have pansies like this faygot (sic) hitting his opponent when both players hit the ice in a fight or shoving them to the ice in the middle of a fight.

Pronger gets away with a lot of penalties. I'll leave it at that.

f*** Anaheim.

There. You have my input.

[Zion 93]

If the Ducks let Parros walk, I have a feeling he'll end up in Toronto.

Parros sells tickets. Win or lose, the Quacks pride themselves on team toughness. Fans love fights and Anaheim gives them that. Parros stays.

Getzlaf is every coach's wet dream. I hate the guy now that he's really good (liked him when he was an up-and-coming playmaker) and is using his size well. Cocky f***.

Kunitz has good speed and hitting (though not always clean), and will improve, though probably not as fast as Getzlaf and Perry have.

I didn't want to say anything about Bobby Ryan because a No. 2 overall pick SHOULD be really good. I've seen a few small flashes of BRILLIANCE from a kid that looks just lost at times. Reminds me just a hint of Valterri Filppula. Only this kid will be pretty tough to boot.

The big problem I see is that Pronger and Niederfag make BIG bucks, and I don't see them taking paycuts of any sort to keep the team together, or for that big free agent signing. There could be some MAJOR retooling coming up.

[Echolalia 2,961]

1) Get rid of Niedermeyer bros. Maybe trade with LA, cuz they're the defensive team of the future with their stock.

2) Sign Bobby Ryan to a long term relatively low cost contract before his talent is consistent and high enough to demand 5+ million per year.

3) Let Getzlaf do his thing, and give him the C while we're at it.

[Third Man In 2,091]

Obviously Burkie made a lot of mistakes that we don't need to revisit for the purposes of your question. Sammy and Beauchemin are as you say must re-signs; they, along with Getzlaf, Perry, Kunitz, and it looks like Ryan are the Ducks' core moving forward--cap space must be left to sign these last four when their contracts come up. Pronger's not quite what he was, but he's still a good defenceman (even if he sucks ) and should be kept. Keep most of the free agents there if you can--I'd keep Montador and Hedican (who's still steady), Marchant if the price is cheap. Moen's a defensive liability and should go. Scotty Niedermayer hasn't looked the same this year, and I think that his absence the first part of last year and then subsequent reappearance which forced the McDonald trade soured things for the team and they still haven't recovered from it; it's probably best he go. What the Ducks need now is scoring--behind Getzlaf, Ryan, and Perry there's not much right now, especially if Teemu leaves...

[Ms_Hockey 0]

The sure sign of one close minded individual. Sheesh. Its easy to be a fan of more than one team. Don't be ridiculous.

I don't think it's close-mindedness. It's just how some people operate. I can't be a fan of more than one team. I can LIKE other teams - but I can really only be a diehard fan of one.

I'm not close-minded.. It's just how I work.

[stlwing14 0]

now, don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to attack you, but i've always wondered how someone could maintain loyalty to two teams at once?

to me, it's not entirely dissimilar to polygamy ... but that's just my thought.

I like the Wings and......Blues. So have at it.

Anyway to the Ducks, Getzlaf is the go to guy. Everyone else is trade bait or need unemployment slips.

[donfishmaster 62]

I....I...I'm...I'm sorry Duck Guy. Your question is valid and you obviously have a knowledge of hockey, so I assume you're a decent guy.

It's just that...ummmm....ProngerPrick is one of three players in recent history (Claude LePuke and Patty Roy(rhymes with boy) being the others) that--upon being added to my beloved Wings roster, would require me to re-evaluate my life-long loyalty to the Winged Wheel. When I have a crappy day, I think of him blowing out his ACL while trying to put a hit on Stevie Y.

So while I think your question is completely valid, and it makes for an interesting hockey mental exercise, I....I just can't bring myself to address it.

sorry...