Franzen Injury

[Broken 16 381]

Franzen's all-round game isn't worth 5million, never.

Do you know anything about hockey? I'm serious.

I've read your posts and I'm not sure if you are really as clueless as you appear or if its just some kind of act. Because if its not an act you should probably just not say anything anymore. Ever...

Based on salaries around the league, Franzen is easily in the 5 million range. He has size, soft hands around the net, isn't afraid of high traffic areas, has excellent hand/eye, is above average as a screen in front of goalies, is almost impossible to move, plays a strong defensive game and back-checks hard, can take draws and is an above average passer. I can think of half a dozen players in the league, off the top of my head, that don't have NEARLY as much skill and make MORE. Please get a clue...

Edited January 19, 2009 by Broken 16

[Guest mindfly]

Do you know anything about hockey? I'm serious.

I've read your posts and I'm not sure if you are really as clueless as you appear or if its just some kind of act. Because if its not an act you should probably just not say anything anymore. Ever...

Based on salaries around the league, Franzen is easily in the 5 million range. He has size, soft hands around the net, isn't afraid of high traffic areas, has excellent hand/eye, is above average as a screen in front of goalies, is almost impossible to move, plays a strong defensive game and back-checks hard, can take draws and is an above average passer. I can think of half a dozen players in the league, off the top of my head, that don't have NEARLY as much skill and make MORE. Please get a clue...

About hockey, most likely more than you, about player salaries, nope.

[Broken 16 381]

About hockey, most likely more than you, about player salaries, nope.

Well, judging your assessment of Franzen's "all-round" game, I wouldn't be too quick to compare hockey knowledge...

[40#1Fan 0]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...ut_wi.html#more

Update from Monday's practice at Jobing.com Arena: Johan Franzen didn't practice and won't play in Tuesday's game against the Coyotes. Franzen is still bothered by a strained hip, which forced him to leave Saturday's game in San Jose early in the third period

"It's better, it's not a sharp pain, so it's a step in the right direction,'' Franzen said. "I got the ultrasound and the stim and ice and all that. It was a lot of fun. The (All-Star) break comes at a good time. I shouldn't have any problems after that.''

Valtteri Filppula takes Franzen's spot on the line with Pavel Datsyuk and Tomas Holmstrom, but coach Mike Babcock said Dan Cleary will replace Franzen as the net-front presence on the second power-play unit. Derek Meech fills in on the fourth line. Chris Chelios is in on defense, in place of Brett Lebda. Ty Conklin starts in goal.

Here's what the lines looked like.

Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Cleary-Zetterberg-Hossa

Hudler-Draper-Samuelsson

Meech-Kopecky-Maltby

Franzen (out)

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Lilja

Stuart-Chelios

Lebda (scratched)

Conklin

Osgood

[DatsyukianDeak 0]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...ut_wi.html#more

Update from Monday's practice at Jobing.com Arena: Johan Franzen didn't practice and won't play in Tuesday's game against the Coyotes. Franzen is still bothered by a strained hip, which forced him to leave Saturday's game in San Jose early in the third period

"It's better, it's not a sharp pain, so it's a step in the right direction,'' Franzen said. "I got the ultrasound and the stim and ice and all that. It was a lot of fun. The (All-Star) break comes at a good time. I shouldn't have any problems after that.''

Valtteri Filppula takes Franzen's spot on the line with Pavel Datsyuk and Tomas Holmstrom, but coach Mike Babcock said Dan Cleary will replace Franzen as the net-front presence on the second power-play unit. Derek Meech fills in on the fourth line. Chris Chelios is in on defense, in place of Brett Lebda. Ty Conklin starts in goal.

Here's what the lines looked like.

Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Cleary-Zetterberg-Hossa

Hudler-Draper-Samuelsson

Meech-Kopecky-Maltby

Franzen (out)

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Lilja

Stuart-Chelios

Lebda (scratched)

Conklin

Osgood

Would you rather have Stuart with Chelios or these lines? To me Kronwall is the less skilled player and would be better with the more veteran player.

[datsyuk rocks 0]

i just read something and it said franzen will be out of the linup tuesday

[ben_usmc 253]

Fillpula is the most overpaid Red Wings. Ive been to all but 3 home games this year and all he does is skate into the zone and either give the puck away or get taken off the puck. He just might be the weakest Red Wings we have on the puck. He can't finish, or get into the middle of the ice. As much as I love Holland, this might be one of his worst signings. Franzen is 5x's the player Filppula is. He's bigger, stronger on the puck, better in the corners, and obviously has way more scoring touch than Filppula. It's not that I dont like Filpps, I just dont think he's worth 3 million/year. Idf we had to lose him or use him as trade bait or a way to open up cap space for guys like Helm, Eriksson or Leino, then I would be all for it.

Keep in mind, The Mule wasn't who he was when while stuck on the 3rd line either. Not that I'm happy with how Flip is playing, he was signed before we thought Hossa would be playing here and assumed he'd be in the top 6. So at this point it is high but if he is moved down which eventually will happen I think it could look like a bargain. Flip reminds me of how Pasha looked early in his career where he showed some great moves but could never finish. Why do you think he is under Pashas wing? I'm not saying he is the next Dats but half a season to call a player a career underachiever is pretty quick judgement.

Edited January 19, 2009 by ben_usmc

[ben_usmc 253]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...ut_wi.html#more

Update from Monday's practice at Jobing.com Arena: Johan Franzen didn't practice and won't play in Tuesday's game against the Coyotes. Franzen is still bothered by a strained hip, which forced him to leave Saturday's game in San Jose early in the third period

"It's better, it's not a sharp pain, so it's a step in the right direction,'' Franzen said. "I got the ultrasound and the stim and ice and all that. It was a lot of fun. The (All-Star) break comes at a good time. I shouldn't have any problems after that.''

Valtteri Filppula takes Franzen's spot on the line with Pavel Datsyuk and Tomas Holmstrom, but coach Mike Babcock said Dan Cleary will replace Franzen as the net-front presence on the second power-play unit. Derek Meech fills in on the fourth line. Chris Chelios is in on defense, in place of Brett Lebda. Ty Conklin starts in goal.

Here's what the lines looked like.

Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Cleary-Zetterberg-Hossa

Hudler-Draper-Samuelsson

Meech-Kopecky-Maltby

Franzen (out)

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Lilja

Stuart-Chelios

Lebda (scratched)

Conklin

Osgood

I like the 4th line better, but I'd rather have draper sitting and maybe a fan from the stands playing because they can't be on for anymore goals against then he is. I think Babcock needs to take Kronner and Stuart and tell them what was said to Lilja early in the season, just make simple plays. If they start of small they may be able to work themselves back up to the levels they are capable of; but keeping it simple is the best way to start.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Filppula is underrated and can score. His style of hockey that he played in Finland was "look for the open man". Every time Filppula has the puck coming into the zone what does he do? Stop and look for an open man driving to the net. Filppula plays on the penalty kill and sadly doesn't get power play time. Filppula's depth and potential is great and I'm glad we re-signed him. Then again I'm quoting a guy who has a Dan Cleary sig.

I don't know what Cleary has to do with anything. Cleary still has more goals and points than Filppula. Cleary also missed time due to injury and played a good portion of the season with one eye. Maybe you could clarify what is wrong with liking one of the hardest working, most versatile players on the Red Wings.

As to your point with Filppula, I never said he wasn't a great passer. Read my post about Franzen, which I made in reference to someone saying Franzen deserved the same contract as Filppula. I said Franzen was by far a better goal scorer, finisher, and has better hands than Filppula - all while being just as good defensively as Fil. I didn't even mention that Mule's size and net presence is something the Red Wings can't afford to lose. Which of those claims was false? Fil doesn't get power play time because he doesn't warrant it on this team right now. Filppula does have potential, but he hasn't lived up to his contract this season. Is six goals in 45 games your evidence that Fil can score? The Red Wings have plenty of forwards that can kill penalties. I would much rather have Franzen and Hudler around next season if it means at the expense of Filppula.

Edited January 19, 2009 by GoWings1905

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

That sucks about Franzen, let's see what Flip can do on one of the top lines.

[j.hoop 64]

i have a feeling ZDH will be out for a few shifts !

[under_par_00 45]

I dont like Filppula on the first line with Datsyuk. He is the most similar player to Datsyuk that the Wings have.

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom

Cleary - Filppula - Hossa

[esteef 2,679]

I love Flip! But apparently his job is to take a stick to the face and three to the back of the head from O'Donnell with no response. Thank you Power Play!

Oh but we won, so mevermind...

esteef

Edited January 20, 2009 by esteef

[Winged_Wheeler 3]

I don't know what Cleary has to do with anything. Cleary still has more goals and points than Filppula. Cleary also missed time due to injury and played a good portion of the season with one eye. Maybe you could clarify what is wrong with liking one of the hardest working, most versatile players on the Red Wings.

As to your point with Filppula, I never said he wasn't a great passer. Read my post about Franzen, which I made in reference to someone saying Franzen deserved the same contract as Filppula. I said Franzen was by far a better goal scorer, finisher, and has better hands than Filppula - all while being just as good defensively as Fil. I didn't even mention that Mule's size and net presence is something the Red Wings can't afford to lose. Which of those claims was false? Fil doesn't get power play time because he doesn't warrant it on this team right now. Filppula does have potential, but he hasn't lived up to his contract this season. Is six goals in 45 games your evidence that Fil can score? The Red Wings have plenty of forwards that can kill penalties. I would much rather have Franzen and Hudler around next season if it means at the expense of Filppula.

When Filppula is on a line with Cleary, he will not score. Why? When he passes to Cleary he'll hold onto the puck and will not pass to anyone until he's mashed into the boards and coughs the puck up. On the other hand, when Cleary is on a line with Hossa and Zetterberg he actually passes. As I said, Filppula is always looking for the open man such as Hudler. He still developing as a player. Filppula is only 24 years old and Franzen is 28, of course there will be a big difference. Filppula reminds me of the rookie Zetterberg, always passed. I think Datsyuk will help Filppula like Hull did with him.

You wanted proof that Filppula can score.

First NHL goal , drives to the net. Filppula may have less goals and points, but keep in mind Cleary was a first rounder.

Edited January 20, 2009 by Winged_Wheeler

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

I like those projected lineups (if we have to play without Franzen obv)

[Guest Four]

Loving Stuart on bottom line.

[Doggy 130]

Well, judging your assessment of Franzen's "all-round" game, I wouldn't be too quick to compare hockey knowledge...

Hey. Do you understand the offsides rule? If you do, you know more about hockey than mindfly. He's very new to the game, he's still hasn't quite got it yet.