stactum 4 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 I would have to agree that panic is not the right word, but maybe I am losing confidence in the team play. People who thinks that it all magically will disappear come April are fooling themselves. During regular season teams teams can inherit either good or bad habits. You know what it is in our case. Also, last year before SC Finals I was confident in Red Wings because I knew that Pittsburgh's 3-rd and 4-th lines are complete garbage so I wasn't really nervous during the series. Well, now it's the time to say that our 3-rd and 4-th lines are complete garbage in addition our defense generally playing bad and goaltending isn't capable of stealing a game. So realistically looking - it's an early exit if everything stays as it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spinner 6 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Why is it when someone brings up legitimate concerns they are instantly labled a panicker? Are we not to discuss the team's play during a "slump"? I think some of the points in this thread are valid concerns whether we "won" or not. esteef It's just that we see so many of these threads even when we are winning. I'm not trying to single anyone out or offend anyone, and yes there are valid points, some just go to the extremes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pavel Hossyukstrom 2 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Yeah I know, I'd still be worried too, if the Wings are still one of the top 3 teams in the league after a 5 game losing streak. I'd be askin the question, " What the hell is wrong with the rest of the league then?" Stop the panic. We're spoiled that's the problem. We're too spoiled as fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) At first glance, the shot totals in the 4rd would appear troublesome. But considering the Blues got that gift of a 5-min PP, it's not terribly surprising. Edited February 3, 2009 by edicius Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Yeah I know, I'd still be worried too, if the Wings are still one of the top 3 teams in the league after a 5 game losing streak. I'd be askin the question, " What the hell is wrong with the rest of the league then?" Stop the panic. We're spoiled that's the problem. We're too spoiled as fans. Yeah, cause we've never been bounced out of the playoffs as the top seed becasue of problems that started during the regular season. What was I thinking? I'm sure Babcock is resting in his lounge chair right now content as can be with his team's performance as of late. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 First, of course the Blues had more shots on goal. They (essentially) had a seven minute power play. What would you expect the shot total to look like after that? Second, stop freaking out. This is the Red Wings we're talking about. Every season, right around the All Star break, we go into our annual hiccup. We ALWAYS pull out and make ourselves a cup contender. The lack of faith in our team is astounding. When we have a losing season - maybe two or three - then it'll be time to rethink your season tickets. But right now? Just chill out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 I don't think anyone understand how bad we've been this year compared to the past. Yeah, we've squeaked out some wins, but really, you think everything's fine? Say what you will about a panic button & the end of the world post. I'm telling you ******* right now. Something is wrong & you're all too blind to see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) First, of course the Blues had more shots on goal. They (essentially) had a seven minute power play. What would you expect the shot total to look like after that? Second, stop freaking out. This is the Red Wings we're talking about. Every season, right around the All Star break, we go into our annual hiccup. We ALWAYS pull out and make ourselves a cup contender. The lack of faith in our team is astounding. When we have a losing season - maybe two or three - then it'll be time to rethink your season tickets. But right now? Just chill out. We've had the annual hiccup all season. That is one serious case of hiccups. Go ahead & point out the record all you want. This isn't the same as the past. s***'s happening that I've never seen before. & it's been happening all year. & right now, I don't have season tickets. But win or lose, if I had the money, I'd buy them in a heartbeat. Edited February 3, 2009 by steveyzerman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) I don't think anyone understand how bad we've been this year compared to the past. Yeah, we've squeaked out some wins, but really, you think everything's fine? Say what you will about a panic button & the end of the world post. I'm telling you ******* right now. Something is wrong & you're all too blind to see it. No need to get frustrated cause we don't believe you LMAO I don't think you understand just how GOOD we are compared to the 80's when there was something wrong....... just saying Edited February 3, 2009 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Yeah, cause we've never been bounced out of the playoffs as the top seed becasue of problems that started during the regular season. What was I thinking? I'm sure Babcock is resting in his lounge chair right now content as can be with his team's performance as of late. esteef Thank you. But it's not just as of late. Something fishy's been going on all season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomer 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 No motivation (biggest factor I think) Injuries Bad Goaltending Brutal PK Kronwall has been flat out TERRIBLE for most of the season, a few golden games here and there but thats about it Rafalski has a VERY low lowest level, could play awesome but also very poorly Offense is fairly good but could be better Last couple or games or more, bad PP, mostly due to injuries to important pp-player holmstrom, and without Z the 2nd pp unit isn't that good. I couldn't agree more with your analysis. But the key factor has been the horrible goaltending, particularly Osgood. Detroit have been playing catc h-up hockey all season long, coming back from 2 3 and even 4 goal deficits. What that ends up doing is destroying your core game plan. Confidence wise your down because you don't have a goalie who can steal a game once an awhile for you when you have an off night. Its been a long time since that has happenned in Detroit, perhaps not since Roy Edwards a former great Wings goaler who had a mediocre team at times playing in front of him. Its time Holland and Yszerman wake- up and get goalie that's worthy of this Stanley Cup champion team. There' plenty of solid goalies around the league available for trade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) No need to get frustrated cause we don't believe you LMAO I don't think you understand just how GOOD we are compared to the 80's when there was something wrong....... just saying I do understand. No one said we're the worst team in the league. I didn't call us the "Dead Wings'. Take a look at the picture up top. Then go through the stats & tell me the last time that's happened. I bet it was the 80's. What I'm talking about is winning a Stanley Cup & we're not going to do it like this. Edited February 3, 2009 by steveyzerman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted February 3, 2009 And in the PK, the body language of the wings players, to me sends a message that they don't trust their goalies much... and who can blame them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 I do understand. No one said we're the worst team in the league. I didn't call us the "Dead Wings'. I'm talking about winning a Stanley Cup & we're not going to do it like this. A win is a win.... you are more likely to see 1 goal games in the post season cup run... no one is more primed for those types of games than us right now. its best to not blow out teams all season and hit a wall in the post season (THAT has been our downfall in the past) having to battle through 60 or the 82 games a season... welcome to what it feels like to be a fan of any other team in the NHL.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 A win is a win.... you are more likely to see 1 goal games in the post season cup run... no one is more primed for those types of games than us right now. its best to not blow out teams all season and hit a wall in the post season (THAT has been our downfall in the past) having to battle through 60 or the 82 games a season... welcome to what it feels like to be a fan of any other team in the NHL.... Problem is we won't be playing St Louis in the playoffs. We'll be playing teams that are good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) Problem is we won't be playing St Louis in the playoffs. We'll be playing teams that are good. .... we're not the globe trotters are we? we haven't played st louis all season long have we? i mean we have played and beat some pretty good teams along the way of getting our division leading stats...right? Edited February 3, 2009 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomer 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 First, of course the Blues had more shots on goal. They (essentially) had a seven minute power play. What would you expect the shot total to look like after that? Second, stop freaking out. This is the Red Wings we're talking about. Every season, right around the All Star break, we go into our annual hiccup. We ALWAYS pull out and make ourselves a cup contender. The lack of faith in our team is astounding. When we have a losing season - maybe two or three - then it'll be time to rethink your season tickets. But right now? Just chill out. Listen man I love to chill out but with the pathetic goaltending sorry chillings not an option. Look how bad the save percentages are were at the bottom of the barrel. If you think it wasn't an omen or premonition of things when in the dying seconds of our Cup victory against Pittsbugh Osgood almost bumbled and fumled the puck into the net- think again. Its all about doing it on the cheap with goaltending in Detroit; while meanwhle we open the purse strings for the offensive stars. But you see that's starting to catch-up to the Wings, cuz you always have to come back from 2-3 and sometime 4 goal deficits. Well you know what that does It ends up draining and demoralizing the team . Just imagine this team with a top line goaltender -oh ya bud I'll be chillin all summer long with my Wings cap on with a nice cold one! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) Listen man I love to chill out but with the pathetic goaltending sorry chillings not an option. Look how bad the save percentages are were at the bottom of the barrel. If you think it wasn't an omen or premonition of things when in the dying seconds of our Cup victory against Pittsbugh Osgood almost bumbled and fumled the puck into the net- think again. Its all about doing it on the cheap with goaltending in Detroit; while meanwhle we open the purse strings for the offensive stars. But you see that's starting to catch-up to the Wings, cuz you always have to come back from 2-3 and sometime 4 goal deficits. Well you know what that does It ends up draining and demoralizing the team . Just imagine this team with a top line goaltender -oh ya bud I'll be chillin all summer long with my Wings cap on with a nice cold one! The only omen i saw was actually saying A-men the ******* CUP is ours!!!! what did it tell you? And you mean like the Pitchers and QB's also right... cause they are always the scapegoats in Detroit. Something is silly when you have a revolving door in all three positions AND YOU STILL don't win the big prize every year. And i did it was Hasek and he was Yanked after 2 games in the Post season for as you call the "cheap" goaltender Edited February 3, 2009 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 .... we're not the globe trotters are we? we haven't played st louis all season long have we? i mean we have played and beat some pretty good teams along the way of getting our division leading stats...right? Yeah. Sure, we've had some good games along the way. Maybe like 3. It takes four out of seven to do it in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 Yeah. Sure, we've had some good games along the way. Maybe like 3. It takes four out of seven to do it in the playoffs. exactly so why the pessimism... we also have to lose 4 in the series (to the same team) to get booted... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 The "top-flight" goaltender everyone wants here is not faring as well as our "cheap" one. Losses to Phoenix, Columbus, SJ, Nashville and Minnesota, All offensive firepowers, with a GAA over 4 and save pct. around .850. I've just about had it with these threads. If you have Luongo, you dont have either Z or Dats or Hossa or Lidstrom, take your pick. There is a REASON we don't spend a lot on goalies. Get on board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 exactly so why the pessimism... we also have to lose 4 in the series (to the same team) to get booted... Because we've only played THREE good games all season. Not four. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 The "top-flight" goaltender everyone wants here is not faring as well as our "cheap" one. Losses to Phoenix, Columbus, SJ, Nashville and Minnesota, All offensive firepowers, with a GAA over 4 and save pct. around .850. I've just about had it with these threads. If you have Luongo, you dont have either Z or Dats or Hossa or Lidstrom, take your pick. There is a REASON we don't spend a lot on goalies. Get on board. This wasn't a goalie thread. I don't necessarily believe it's all on the goaltending. This was a "WTF IS WRONG" thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) Because we've only played THREE good games all season. Not four. Three is left up to interpretation really... just like a loss is a loss (regardless of deserved or not) a win is a win (whether its dirty or amazing) We have by far won more than we have lost this season. In the post season its the W that matters not how it was acheived in the game. I would like to know how many of our OT losses were losses in OT or a SO.... Same with our wins... How many were SO wins or OT wins. Edited February 3, 2009 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 We've had the annual hiccup all season. That is one serious case of hiccups. Go ahead & point out the record all you want. This isn't the same as the past. s***'s happening that I've never seen before. & it's been happening all year. & right now, I don't have season tickets. But win or lose, if I had the money, I'd buy them in a heartbeat. We're number two in the Western Conference. We have a damn good record, even though you seem to not want to hear it. Think what you want. It's totally fine to disagree with me. But at this moment in time, I see absolutely no reason for all the panic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
