Confused about the IR...

[Majsheppard 203]

In my dynasty fantasy hockey team I have Rick Dipietro and his broke ass sitting on my roster taking up space. He is done for the season according to everyone including the NYIslanders themselves.

So why hasn't he been placed on LTIR?

What possible reason could there be for them not moving him immedately to the IR?

Best I can figure is that if his number comes off the books they might be below the cap floor, but does the league penalize you for falling below the cap floor due to injury?

I can't figure this out but I have been waiting for three weeks to slide him onto the IR, and reclaim Semin off from the IR.

Does anyone know what is up here?

[xBrave_Heartx 0]

If its a keepers league, idk.

If its just a normal 1 and done season. Then drop him, he's done for the season.

[wingslionstigers 12]

Yeah if it aint keepers drop him hes done no chance hes coming back this season.

[Majsheppard 203]

It is a keeper you know like when I said dynasty, I am not looking for advice. I want to know why he isn't on the IR.

[Blood On The Ice 15]

I'm also in a keeper league and he's is one of my goalies. And I have been bitching about them putting him on the IR. Makes no sense, he;s out, done, get his arse on the IR. But then again, it just explains why the islanders are in the position thay are in and have been in.

[AtomicPunk 296]

Dump him anyway. He plays for the Islanders, why would you want to keep him long-term? They are going to suck for years. Spend a draft pick and get someone better later.

[b.shanafan14 733]

His question isn't about the fantasy team, its about the rules and reasons involved in NYI not placing DiPietro on LTIR even though his season is over. My guess is that regardless of injury your cap must be above the floor, being that the Islanders have no one of merit they are hugging the floor rather tightly, at least tightly enough that losing their only name player and as far as I know biggest cap hit would put them under said floor. Teams like this are why I hate the salary cap: Wings do everything they can to draft, develop, and skate a good team and teams like NYI hug the floor with no real push for improvement.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

It is a keeper you know like when I said dynasty, I am not looking for advice. I want to know why he isn't on the IR.

Here's a tip: try not to act like an ass and flip people off right before you ask them for help.

[mjlegend 155]

They should drop the floor to maybe 60 per cent of the ceiling instead of what it is now (roughly 80 per cent?). Then you'd see some fire sales and get teams out of a bit of a financial hole.

[MacK_Attack 108]

It has nothing to do with the cap. LTIR players don't technically come off the cap, but teams are allowed to replace that player with a similar cap hit in order to facilitate the replacement of players who are injured for an extended period.

I think perhaps DiPietro hasn't been placed on IR simply because it doesn't really make a difference for the Islanders if he's on it or not.

[T-Ruff 47]

Using Yahoo? .... The mostly superior ESPN fantasy has the common sense to list him as IR

[MacK_Attack 108]

Using Yahoo? .... The mostly superior ESPN fantasy has the common sense to list him as IR

More importantly, the New York Islanders list him as being on IR.

http://islanders.nhl.com/team/app?service=...amp;type=roster

[Broken 16 381]

Here's a tip: try not to act like an ass and flip people off right before you ask them for help.

Here's a tip: Try adding something to the conversation while looking down your nose at somebody.

That way you're not just an arrogant ass. You're an arrogant ass with an opinion and/or information. Not much better, but a step in the right direction.

It has nothing to do with the cap. LTIR players don't technically come off the cap, but teams are allowed to replace that player with a similar cap hit in order to facilitate the replacement of players who are injured for an extended period.

I think perhaps DiPietro hasn't been placed on IR simply because it doesn't really make a difference for the Islanders if he's on it or not.

Exactly. If they are already hugging the bottom, what difference does it make to have his salary go towards the cap?

Are there many subtle differences between IR and LTIR? Aside from the cap aspect? I honestly don't know. Is there anything to gain for either side by having him remain on IR as opposed to moving him to LTIR?

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Here's a tip: Try adding something to the conversation while looking down your nose at somebody.

That way you're not just an arrogant ass. You're an arrogant ass with an opinion and/or information. Not much better, but a step in the right direction.

Irrrrrronnnny

[MacK_Attack 108]

Are there many subtle differences between IR and LTIR? Aside from the cap aspect? I honestly don't know. Is there anything to gain for either side by having him remain on IR as opposed to moving him to LTIR?

IR and LTIR are basically the same, just differ in how teams can go about replacing the player. Both IR and LTIR players are not on the active roster.

A player on IR is short-term (must remain on IR for 7 days, can be retroactive) and can't have his salary replaced by a player called up or acquired.

LTIR is for players who will sit out at least 10 games or 24 days. These players can have their cap salary replaced while they are injured, which also allows teams to exceed the cap by 10% in order to allow a team right against the cap to be able to deal with injuries.

There's a common misconception that LTIR allows teams to "bank" cap space. Not true. Injured players have their salary count fully against the cap, regardless of the term of their injury. The only way to save money on the cap with an injured player is to have that player injured for the entire season.

[imisssergei 0]

IR and LTIR are basically the same, just differ in how teams can go about replacing the player. Both IR and LTIR players are not on the active roster.

A player on IR is short-term (must remain on IR for 7 days, can be retroactive) and can't have his salary replaced by a player called up or acquired.

LTIR is for players who will sit out at least 10 games or 24 days. These players can have their cap salary replaced while they are injured, which also allows teams to exceed the cap by 10% in order to allow a team right against the cap to be able to deal with injuries.

There's a common misconception that LTIR allows teams to "bank" cap space. Not true. Injured players have their salary count fully against the cap, regardless of the term of their injury. The only way to save money on the cap with an injured player is to have that player injured for the entire season.

I dunno if this is exactly correct or not, but the way I heard it explained is this.

The only difference between IR and LTIR is the length of time the player is out. The listed time tables above are what I was told. However, the team does get cap relief while the said player is out. So, for instance, lets take Brad Stuart's $3.75. That $3.75 is off the books until he comes back.

So in a sense the team does save a little cap space, but only until the player comes back. Also, I believe that after being on the LTIR or the IR a player is eligible for up to 2 weeks of conditioning stint in the minors without having to pass through waivers on the way down or back up.

[MacK_Attack 108]

I dunno if this is exactly correct or not, but the way I heard it explained is this.

The only difference between IR and LTIR is the length of time the player is out. The listed time tables above are what I was told. However, the team does get cap relief while the said player is out. So, for instance, lets take Brad Stuart's $3.75. That $3.75 is off the books until he comes back.

So in a sense the team does save a little cap space, but only until the player comes back. Also, I believe that after being on the LTIR or the IR a player is eligible for up to 2 weeks of conditioning stint in the minors without having to pass through waivers on the way down or back up.

The player does not "come off the books."

The player remains on the salary cap, but with LTIR, they are allowed to replace that salary with a replacement player(s). However, when the player (in this case, Stuart) returns they must clear space for his entire cap hit.

Conditioning stints can be used at any time. Players remain on IR while on an AHL conditioning assignment. Even players who were not injured can go on conditioning stints, but they remain listed as an active player. Conditioning stints must be agreed to by the player, as well.