Yzersyukstromberg 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2009 You think #5 will go as fast as Yzerman's did? Lidstrom's #5 will go up to the rafters just as quickly as Stevie's #19 did...right away...the season after he calls it quits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetterbeard40 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2009 So what? Osgood has never been elite goalie. Never. Being good for long time does not guarantee HoF membership not to mention jersey retirement. He does not deserve either honour. And you can't be serious comparing Osgood to Sawchuk. It's not even funny. I don't understand why everyone questions Osgood's past and ability and doesn't give him credit. Give me one player in all of professional sports (and Im sure theres a few but not many) that was HOF worthy, or jersey retirement worthy without having a great team around him. Not many right. Thing is, you can say Ozzie isnt elite because his numbers are inflated due to the team around him, but I guess that goes for Sawchuk as well. So im going to go out on a limb and say that yes, you can compare Osgood and Sawchuk. The only thing we have to go on with this argument is numbers, because the game was so different, the league was smaller, so on and so forth. And the numbers are comparable. So why isnt osgood comparable. Did Brodeur not have a great team around him his entire career, did Jordan not have a great team around him his entire career. So to say that Osgood doesnt deserve these honours is wrong, because he's a winner, and has been his entire career. If it were the wings that won him games, than Legace would be still with us, Joseph would still be with us etc. Osgood may be on the tail end of his career, but IMo, he has been fantastic for a long time, and is worthy of both honours. Like I said, when it comes down to it, all of these arguments are opinion and judgment based, so all we have to go on that is concrete is numbers, and the numbers dont lie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 17, 2009 I don't understand why everyone questions Osgood's past and ability and doesn't give him credit. Give me one player in all of professional sports (and Im sure theres a few but not many) that was HOF worthy, or jersey retirement worthy without having a great team around him. Not many right. Thing is, you can say Ozzie isnt elite because his numbers are inflated due to the team around him, but I guess that goes for Sawchuk as well. So im going to go out on a limb and say that yes, you can compare Osgood and Sawchuk. The only thing we have to go on with this argument is numbers, because the game was so different, the league was smaller, so on and so forth. And the numbers are comparable. So why isnt osgood comparable. Did Brodeur not have a great team around him his entire career, did Jordan not have a great team around him his entire career. So to say that Osgood doesnt deserve these honours is wrong, because he's a winner, and has been his entire career. If it were the wings that won him games, than Legace would be still with us, Joseph would still be with us etc. Osgood may be on the tail end of his career, but IMo, he has been fantastic for a long time, and is worthy of both honours. Like I said, when it comes down to it, all of these arguments are opinion and judgment based, so all we have to go on that is concrete is numbers, and the numbers dont lie. Numbers are actualy a poor way of comparing them - as we are talking completey different eras. Accomlishments relative to their peers of the time are a better way: Sawchuk Calder Memorial Trophy Winner (1951) NHL First All-Star Team (1951, 1952, & 1953) -- This is the equivalent of a modern day Vezina Trophy NHL Second All-Star Team (1954, 1955, 1959, & 1963) Vezina Trophy Winner (1952, 1953, 1955, & 1965) -- This is the equivalent of a modern day Jennings Trophy Stanley Cup Championships (1952, 1954, 1955, & 1967) -- Would probably have two Conn Smythe Trophies if they were around then. Osgood NHL Second All-Star Team (1996) Jennings Trophy (shared with Mike Vernon - 1996), (shared with Dominik Hasek - 2008) Stanley Cup Champinships - 1997, 1998, 2008 (starting goaltender in 1998 and 2008) So there is definitely a huge difference between these two goalies -- though they did both enjoy long careers with good teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holmstrom96 347 Report post Posted February 17, 2009 My vote would for placing #18 - Maltby, #25 McCarty, #33 Draper and #96 Homer in the rafters Hell no. It would be a discredit to Yzerman and Lidstrom. Don't get me wrong, I love Drapes, Homer, Maltby and Mac, hell, look at the name I post under, I love Holmstrom! However, they just aren't the guys you hang up in the rafters, they're just not "Yzerman good". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holmstrom96 347 Report post Posted February 17, 2009 Would be cool if Ozzie got his number retired. Hey, why not do it right now? Like at the next home-game? ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) I don't understand why everyone questions Osgood's past and ability and doesn't give him credit. Give me one player in all of professional sports (and Im sure theres a few but not many) that was HOF worthy, or jersey retirement worthy without having a great team around him. Not many right. Thing is, you can say Ozzie isnt elite because his numbers are inflated due to the team around him, but I guess that goes for Sawchuk as well. So im going to go out on a limb and say that yes, you can compare Osgood and Sawchuk. The only thing we have to go on with this argument is numbers, because the game was so different, the league was smaller, so on and so forth. And the numbers are comparable. So why isnt osgood comparable. Did Brodeur not have a great team around him his entire career, did Jordan not have a great team around him his entire career. So to say that Osgood doesnt deserve these honours is wrong, because he's a winner, and has been his entire career. If it were the wings that won him games, than Legace would be still with us, Joseph would still be with us etc. Osgood may be on the tail end of his career, but IMo, he has been fantastic for a long time, and is worthy of both honours. Like I said, when it comes down to it, all of these arguments are opinion and judgment based, so all we have to go on that is concrete is numbers, and the numbers dont lie. Sawchuk was the best goalie of his time. Osgood is average goalie. Period. Sawchuk simply dominated. Osgood has been good goalie, not the best, not even great. Sawchuk is so much better it's not even funny. Edited February 17, 2009 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2009 Sawchuk was the best goalie of his time. Osgood is average goalie. Period. Sawchuk simply dominated. Osgood has been good goalie, not the best, not even great. Sawchuk is so much better it's not even funny. People are only bring up Sawchuk because Osgood is about to tie his regular season win record. Whether or not that's well deserved can be argued.. but the numbers are what they are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted February 17, 2009 Whilst none Maltby, Homer, Draper and DMac are retirement worthy, SOMETHING has to be done to honour them when they hang the skates up. What that is, I don't know, but 15 cups between them and counting, 2 of them who will pass 1000 games in a Redwings shirt this season, they deserve some kind of honour where they are out on the ice and the crowd are showing their appreciation for all that they have done for this team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted February 17, 2009 People are only bring up Sawchuk because Osgood is about to tie his regular season win record. Whether or not that's well deserved can be argued.. but the numbers are what they are. Different era. Different accomplishments. You would have to adjust the numbers to get the proper picture. And whatever you get Sawchuk is much better than Osgood. And I mean MUCH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2009 Different era. Different accomplishments. You would have to adjust the numbers to get the proper picture. And whatever you get Sawchuk is much better than Osgood. And I mean MUCH. I agree with you. Osgood isn't at Sawchuk's level - and the times are vastly different. But there's no denying that Osgood, under most circumstances, fits in perfectly with this team simply because we're built from the defense out. Osgood is not a great goalie by any stretch of the imagination - but until this season, has he really needed to be? I don't think he has. I don't blame Osgood for being average - as we've always known. Once the defense gets better, Osgood's stats will get better. That's how it's always been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted February 17, 2009 I agree with you. Osgood isn't at Sawchuk's level - and the times are vastly different. But there's no denying that Osgood, under most circumstances, fits in perfectly with this team simply because we're built from the defense out. Osgood is not a great goalie by any stretch of the imagination - but until this season, has he really needed to be? I don't think he has. I don't blame Osgood for being average - as we've always known. Once the defense gets better, Osgood's stats will get better. That's how it's always been. QFT. good post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 LOL. Glen Wesley's #2 was just retired by the 'Canes so that list and about 20 other players should be retired if we use their standards. Fancy retiring Wesley's number the year after he retired. Bloody hell. Ray Whitney should be insulted if they don't retire his number. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
