4/5 GDT: Wild 2 at Red Wings 3

[Z and D for the C 712]

Okay, about once every 20 years a goalie with a horrible regular season has won the cup. That makes me feel so much better. I've now realized that my doubt in Osgood in completely unfounded. Game, set, match.

Edited April 6, 2009 by Z and D for the C

[DatsMyWings13 4]

Solid Game today. Osgood let in one bad goal and one goal that can't be blamed on him at all. Pavel is certainly doing everything he can to get to 100 points. GO WINGS!!!

[esteef 2,679]

Well, I just named the one I thought of right off the top of my head. Hey, if you want a complex statistical analysis, you can pay me.

"Datsyerberger"

Spoken like a true contractor!

esteef

[Casey 145]

Solid Game today. Osgood let in one bad goal and one goal that can't be blamed on him at all. Pavel is certainly doing everything he can to get to 100 points. GO WINGS!!!

Concur. I had a clean view from the cheap seats, and Ozzie had no chance on #2- he was interfered with heavily.

Good effort all around.

[HanKarin40 7]

Awesome 50th win by the Wings! That Hossa goal was a thing of beauty! I yelled so loud, I probably scared the neighbors.

I thought Ozzie played half way decent with the exception of the first goal. Glad to see the boys respond to Babs calling them out. Let's keep it rolling!

[Vladifan 680]

Seriously, how is it any different from an interaction with a close friend? You criticize them because you want them to do better. And they're more likely to respond if you show them a little tough love instead of patronizing them with "Oh it's okay, don't worry about it, you're great."

How do you plan to get Ozzie to respond to your tough love, your criticism? What the hell does this have to do with the Wings and who's in charge?

[Vladifan 680]

This will be my last post about goaltending because it is getting extremely boring and the same tired posts keep getting rehashed. I will bet the farm that Chris Osgood will not be in net when the wings play their last game this year - whether that is 16 wins or something less. I just can't recall the last time a team won the cup with the worse statistical goalie in the league. I don't think it has ever happened before.

I don't believe it for a minute because I'm betting you already sold the farm to raise money to bet against the Wings.

[Datsyerberger 279]

Spoken like a true contractor!

esteef

Most of my work the last couple years until the last handful of months has been freelance contract work

[Vladifan 680]

Because none of the people who are critical of Osgood's horrible year this year want that, right? I'm sure only the people who have defended Ozzie here want the team to succeed. The rest of us are mad that we're making the playoffs. It's too bad Ozzie won any games at all because then we'd REALLY be able to bash him! GRRR, I'm just steam-boatin mad, folks. Yee-haw.

So. You still haven't mentioned Ozzie's great third period where he saved their asses. Never, EVER do you talk about Ozzie just doing what he's suppose4d to do when he does it. You constantly nitpick. Just like there's something you, Conklin, Babcock or any of your Eyore-type friends can do about it. Do you not see the insanity in that??!!

Neuuooo, obviously not.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about and you know it. ALL you do is ***** about him and how badly he plays. So what else do I have to compare your responses to? Your obsessive emphasis on how bad and hopeless Oz is is absolutely unreal. It is not balanced. It is not logical. It is not believable.

[Vladifan 680]

Is this supposed to make us feel better about Ozzie? Cause it's not working...

Possible? Yes Likely? No.

esteef

May I suggest one more time that all of this is not about you? It's about our team, the Wings? That team that damn it, will just go ahead anyway and make decisions without us. So if you want to stay all pissy I sure hope it works for you.

Sorry, but somebody had to break the news to you. Again.

[Vladifan 680]

You're either Shoreline's oil boy, or you're about 10 years old. Grow up and stop making childish posts like this, whomever the hell you are.

Actually, everyone seems to think that you have a circus act going with the way you defend Ozzie blindly, like he was your lover or something. Just admit that he's sucked this season, and we'll all let you off the hook.

Does the above look familiar? Oh, how time flies when we're flailing accusations and putdowns, eh?

Meanwhile, I'm a fan whose followed the Wings since '94. I've rejoiced with them. I've agonized with them. I've griped about them. But when I have, I've never been so naive as to oversimplify their weaknesses nor tried to pin it on the Goalie of the Month. I consider that immature, naive and petty.

[dat's sick 1,002]

Hank was a beast this game. Probably his best of the season. I had almost forgotten how completely amazing he is when he plays like this.

Most of the season he's seemed a step slow, still good but not like the playoffs last year.

Really hope that this was a sign of things to come.

Also, these lines were great. The top line especially rocked. But I'm still not a big fan of Cleary, even though he looked better than he has in a long time today. I'd love to see Hudler or Leino play with Franzen and Z in the playoffs. Cleary can be on the 3rd or 4th line.

Great game overall. Glad to see the team play good from the drop of the puck to the final whistle for once.

[beepbeep 3]

Osgood is only part of the problem.

The main problem is we have a bunch of ***** D men who will not clear the net.

How often are opposing players just camped out in front of the net wating for something stupid to happen and hammer the puck home.

Our D is terribly soft, especially in our own end.

Tell me about it. What the hell good is Stuart's size when he plays smaller than Hudler???????????

[Z and D for the C 712]

So. You still haven't mentioned Ozzie's great third period where he saved their asses. Never, EVER do you talk about Ozzie just doing what he's suppose4d to do when he does it. You constantly nitpick. Just like there's something you, Conklin, Babcock or any of your Eyore-type friends can do about it. Do you not see the insanity in that??!!

Neuuooo, obviously not.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about and you know it. ALL you do is ***** about him and how badly he plays. So what else do I have to compare your responses to? Your obsessive emphasis on how bad and hopeless Oz is is absolutely unreal. It is not balanced. It is not logical. It is not believable.

You know you're at the bottom when "just" not allowing a goal means for a "great period". He faced 8 shots, backstrom faced 10 shots that period. It's not as though Minnesota controled the play and had 20 shots to our 3. I don't recall any great scoring chances that any goalie shouldn't have stopped. I don't mention a "great third period" because it wasn't "great". He was solid. Super. Hasek had a lot of solid games last year too but he still got pulled in the playoffs. Just being solid for 20 minutes against an offensively lacking Minnesota team doesn't restore any confidence.

I've praised Osgood where it is due. That hasn't been much this season. If my predictions are wrong, and Osgood pulls it together and puts together a strong playoff run, I'll be the first to admit it and I'll be just as happy for the team and for Osgood as anyone else. I WANT to be wrong. I just don't see it happening, and that is where the frustration lies.

[Guest Shoreline]

You know you're at the bottom when "just" not allowing a goal means for a "great period". He faced 8 shots, backstrom faced 10 shots that period. It's not as though Minnesota controled the play and had 20 shots to our 3. I don't recall any great scoring chances that any goalie shouldn't have stopped. I don't mention a "great third period" because it wasn't "great". He was solid. Super. Hasek had a lot of solid games last year too but he still got pulled in the playoffs. Just being solid for 20 minutes against an offensively lacking Minnesota team doesn't restore any confidence.

I've praised Osgood where it is due. That hasn't been much this season. If my predictions are wrong, and Osgood pulls it together and puts together a strong playoff run, I'll be the first to admit it and I'll be just as happy for the team and for Osgood as anyone else. I WANT to be wrong. I just don't see it happening, and that is where the frustration lies.

Osgood does not need to be better than Backstrom. He needs to be good enough to help this team win. That goes for the playoffs too.

If this team is losing because of him, especially in the playoffs, he gets deserved criticism. Until then, all this stuff you're saying is conjecture and an attempt to justify an overly cynical attitude.

Edited April 6, 2009 by Shoreline

[Guest MrSandMan]

Amazing how Wings won; only giving up 2 goals to a hungry Wild team, and people still *****. It's hard to understand the mentality.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Osgood does not need to be better than Backstrom. He needs to be good enough to help this team win. That goes for the playoffs too.

I agree. I love how through my entire post, you pull one little sentence out...and misinterpret what I'm saying anyway. Try to get the overall message next time.

And just for fun, to show I'm not just a blind ozzie basher...

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[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Amazing how Wings won; only giving up 2 goals to a hungry Wild team, and people still *****. It's hard to understand the mentality.

I don't get it either. I can understand not having high confidence in Ozzie after this trainwreck of a season, but he's going to be the starter. Why not get behind him and hope for the best? I guess different personalities have different attitudes, but still. It's no fun if you can't have any faith at all.

[Guest MrSandMan]

I don't get it either. I can understand not having high confidence in Ozzie after this trainwreck of a season, but he's going to be the starter. Why not get behind him and hope for the best? I guess different personalities have different attitudes, but still. It's no fun if you can't have any faith at all.

Exactly. Ozzie could have faced 70-shots and had the shutout and people would still ***** about positioning or the way he looked at the camera wrong... or whatever.

It'll never end. And it's sad.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

You poor bastards on the West Coast.

Well, on the bright side, it snowed here like a week ago, so at least you don't have to put up with that bulls***.

And now it's snowing as we speak.

Good game, the Wings were better from top to bottom for 60 minutes. It was frustrating, in a familiar kind of way, when they couldn't get that go ahead goal to save their lives while outplaying the Wild badly. Thankfully Hossa came through at the end. Killer shot.

As for all of the nonsense that's going on in this thread: I think it's safe to say that both Oz and the Wings, defensively, have had a very bad season in stretches this year and more importantly by their own high standards, and probably both are below average compared to what the league average is. Probably the only guys that have played up to par this year are Nick, Train, Hank, and Pavel. You still end up with 50 wins, which speaks to the Wings unparalleled goal scoring ability that has been on for the majority of the season, when a lot of other stuff's been off.

[Vladifan 680]

You know you're at the bottom when "just" not allowing a goal means for a "great period". He faced 8 shots, backstrom faced 10 shots that period. It's not as though Minnesota controled the play and had 20 shots to our 3. I don't recall any great scoring chances that any goalie shouldn't have stopped. I don't mention a "great third period" because it wasn't "great". He was solid. Super. Hasek had a lot of solid games last year too but he still got pulled in the playoffs. Just being solid for 20 minutes against an offensively lacking Minnesota team doesn't restore any confidence.

I've praised Osgood where it is due. That hasn't been much this season. If my predictions are wrong, and Osgood pulls it together and puts together a strong playoff run, I'll be the first to admit it and I'll be just as happy for the team and for Osgood as anyone else. I WANT to be wrong. I just don't see it happening, and that is where the frustration lies.

Now this is what I'm talking about. These sentences you felt you had to add are all about YOU, not Ozzie. There was no need for those additions since we all know where you're coming from. You and others have made your point over and over and over that you felt Oz pretty much sucks. But once again, you couldn't leave any positive statement alone. You still felt it was necessary after saying you'd praised him that one more time, you just had to say he just isn't cutting it in your eyes. But it's not just you. It's almost as if this is how all you Oz bashers think you can prove your worth. It is really not a healthy thing.

And if you come back to admit your mistake if the TEAM wins the Cup with Ozzie in net, fine. I'll believe it when I see it. But somehow I think you'll find a way to rationalize your past commentary by re-mentioning what a s***ty goalie Ozzie basically is.

I also believe that Ozzie's biggest personality defect is that he must have a death wish wanting to be a goalie for the Detroit Red Wings. With fans like you and others on this board, he'll never make it no matter what. And I believe he already deserves a big gold medal for taking s*** from fans like you.

[esteef 2,679]

I don't get it either. I can understand not having high confidence in Ozzie after this trainwreck of a season, but he's going to be the starter. Why not get behind him and hope for the best? I guess different personalities have different attitudes, but still. It's no fun if you can't have any faith at all.

There's a big difference between rooting for someone to win and objectively judging their play. I think we all are rooting for Ozzie to play well and take us all the way. Some are just not certain he can do it based on what we've seen throughout this season so far and knowing what we'll be up against in the playoffs.

esteef

[Z and D for the C 712]

But somehow I think you'll find a way to rationalize your past commentary by re-mentioning what a s***ty goalie Ozzie basically is.

It don't need to rationalize it. It alraedy is rationalized. And every rational person can see that. Osgood has had a horrible season. These are facts, not opinions.

There's a big difference between rooting for someone to win and objectively judging their play. I think we all are rooting for Ozzie to play well and take us all the way. Some are just not certain he can do it based on what we've seen throughout this season so far and knowing what we'll be up against in the playoffs.

esteef

This. When Osgood plays I'm behind him 100% and I want him to win...but Osgood slappies don't see this. In their one-sided love affair with Osgood, if someone says something bad about Osgood it's automatically construed as "I hate Osgood and I hope he lets in 20 goals a game. I don't care if it hurts the rest of the team I just want him to lose" It's ridiculous and it's entirely false.

Anyway this is my last post.

[Guest Shoreline]

It don't need to rationalize it. It alraedy is rationalized. And every rational person can see that. Osgood has had a horrible season. These are facts, not opinions.

This. When Osgood plays I'm behind him 100% and I want him to win...but Osgood slappies don't see this. In their one-sided love affair with Osgood, if someone says something bad about Osgood it's automatically construed as "I hate Osgood and I hope he lets in 20 goals a game. I don't care if it hurts the rest of the team I just want him to lose" It's ridiculous and it's entirely false.

Anyway this is my last post.

What's funny to me is when Ozzie has been changing his game and getting better, making mistakes as goalies do, the tune of Ozzie bashers has not. That does not follow any rational argument at all. His season isn't over and this team hasn't even yet started the playoffs and you've declared his season a bust. That's also not rational. Rational people reserve judgment until it's clear as ******* day who the responsible person is. The defense hasn't been consistent, and neither has the goaltending from either goaltender. This much is apparent, but no one should be suggesting this season is a bust because of either, without looking stupid and making it rather pointless being here if all they're going to be is a bitchy, negative malcontent basher of players on a team we're supposed to be cheering for.

Many times over posters have posted how ridiculous you guys are, and even fans from other teams have posted here countless times saying wow are the people here ever ridiculous when it comes to fans s***ting all over their team's players. So save the nutty argument that focusing on negative s*** and prematurely calling a season a bust isn't in the slightest bit rational. You're deluding yourself.

[ben_usmc 253]

Exactly. Ozzie could have faced 70-shots and had the shutout and people would still ***** about positioning or the way he looked at the camera wrong... or whatever.

It'll never end. And it's sad.

that's complete bulls***. I think people are just irritated seeing the same people defend Ozzy even when he doesn't deserve it, it gets quite annoying. I'm sure everyone except maybe Mindfly would love for Ozzy to turn into his playoff self, but most don't have faith; you would have to be crazy to not understand why people don't.

With that being said he didn't let in 3 goals which seemed to be his MO, so that's a positive. Plus other then 1 mess up all on him, which can easily be corrected he had a decent game; so hopefully he can just step up a little more and everything should be smooth sailing.