Stiffy 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) Gee, I'd rather of seen this headline: Datsyuk Speaks to Babcock on Plane Ride about Lack of Effective Coaching (Wants line mate that can help open things up). Come on guys (of all genders), we have seen this from Lewis and now we are seeing it again. When Dats and/or Hank aren't producing they are being swarmed and the Wings fail to adjust with new line combos. I really do agree with the other posters here. Homer is great, but the ZDH line is not cut out for the Ducks. It needs a third skill guy to eliminate double teaming/swarming Datsyuk as an option. This is not chess level thinking. It is checkers. It just isn't going to change through sheer effort or time. If anything, not changing a thing will give the Ducks to perfect what they have already figured out how to do - shut down Datsyuk. If we don't see new lines tonight we do not see Datsyuk producing. Babcock is like a general or admiral with a great weapon, but it being used incorrectly. Hey, if you think I am nuts ask if Scotty would have let this go so long? Edited May 14, 2009 by Stiffy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted May 14, 2009 Gee, I'd rather of seen this headline: Datsyuk Speaks to Babcock on Plane Ride about Lack of Effective Coaching (Wants line mate that can help open things up). Come on guys (of all genders), we have seen this from Lewis and now we are seeing it again. When Dats and/or Hank aren't producing they are being swarmed and the Wings fail to adjust with new line combos. I really do agree with the other posters here. Homer is great, but the ZDH line is not cut out for the Ducks. It needs a third skill guy to eliminate double teaming/swarming Datsyuk as an option. This is not chess level thinking. It is checkers. It just isn't going to change through sheer effort or time. If anything, not changing a thing will give the Ducks to perfect what they have already figured out how to do - shut down Datsyuk. If we don't see new lines tonight we do not see Datsyuk producing. Babcock is like a general or admiral with a great weapon, but it being used incorrectly. Hey, if you think I am nuts ask if Scotty would have let this go so long? Scotty would have put Pavel on D by now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stiffy 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2009 Scotty would have put Pavel on D by now. That's kind of silly. Babs made one adjustment and it didn't work for Dats, but helped Hossa. Why stop there? Why? Just wishing, hoping, expecting change when you do nothing to impact a change is magical thinking. Is that what coaches get paid to do - wish, hope, think things should turn around? Gee, I thought they were supposed to implement strategies, make adjustments to those strategies to counter the strategy of the other coach. Well, the other coach had a strategy - let's bottle up, swarm and suffocate their star player and by golly it is working. Our coach says, "Try harder, you have to make chances turn into goals..." It is ludicrous! It is like the head of GM saying, "We need to sell more cars." Duh! Perhaps through sheer willpower Pavel may come through, but it is all unnecessary and unfair to him as a player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SDavis35 140 Report post Posted May 14, 2009 Gee, I'd rather of seen this headline: Datsyuk Speaks to Babcock on Plane Ride about Lack of Effective Coaching (Wants line mate that can help open things up). Come on guys (of all genders), we have seen this from Lewis and now we are seeing it again. When Dats and/or Hank aren't producing they are being swarmed and the Wings fail to adjust with new line combos. I really do agree with the other posters here. Homer is great, but the ZDH line is not cut out for the Ducks. It needs a third skill guy to eliminate double teaming/swarming Datsyuk as an option. This is not chess level thinking. It is checkers. It just isn't going to change through sheer effort or time. If anything, not changing a thing will give the Ducks to perfect what they have already figured out how to do - shut down Datsyuk. If we don't see new lines tonight we do not see Datsyuk producing. Babcock is like a general or admiral with a great weapon, but it being used incorrectly. Hey, if you think I am nuts ask if Scotty would have let this go so long? What if we pulled an exchange? ZDF and see how that works? (but i could just be crazy) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MidMichSteve 1,115 Report post Posted May 14, 2009 Well not slow, just old. Its a 20YO DC9 that has a range of 'around' 1650 nautical miles or so. Because I have way too much time on my hands, I track it when its airborne. It always has to stop to refuel on the journey west (generally KS), and 'sometimes' has to stop going east. Guess it depends on tailwinds. Tho when they don't stop going east I get just a tad nervous. That, folks, is a true Red Wings fan. I wouldn't blame Pavel for our 3 loses. We have plenty of firepower and, really, I can't think of anyone who has been carrying the team. Besides Ozzy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted May 14, 2009 That's kind of silly. Babs made one adjustment and it didn't work for Dats, but helped Hossa. Why stop there? Why? Just wishing, hoping, expecting change when you do nothing to impact a change is magical thinking. Is that what coaches get paid to do - wish, hope, think things should turn around? Gee, I thought they were supposed to implement strategies, make adjustments to those strategies to counter the strategy of the other coach. Well, the other coach had a strategy - let's bottle up, swarm and suffocate their star player and by golly it is working. Our coach says, "Try harder, you have to make chances turn into goals..." It is ludicrous! It is like the head of GM saying, "We need to sell more cars." Duh! Perhaps through sheer willpower Pavel may come through, but it is all unnecessary and unfair to him as a player. Babcock can't score the goals for Pavel. There are no magic coaching tricks that are guaranteed to result in offense. Or magic line combinations. At some point it falls on the head of the player. The player still has to play. The player still has to execute. This isn't football where bad play calling falls on the coaches head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firehawk 305 Report post Posted May 14, 2009 I dont think Babs needed to tell Datsyuk 'You need to score goals". I bet he told Datsyuk to stop thinking he HAS to score goals, and go back to hitting, outskating everyone, playing solid defense, and setting up others. The chances will come. You dont' need to tell a 100pt scorer they need to score. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted May 14, 2009 Well not slow, just old. Its a 20YO DC9 that has a range of 'around' 1650 nautical miles or so. Because I have way too much time on my hands, I track it when its airborne. It always has to stop to refuel on the journey west (generally KS), and 'sometimes' has to stop going east. Guess it depends on tailwinds. Tho when they don't stop going east I get just a tad nervous. Haha. This whole post is amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
under_par_00 45 Report post Posted May 14, 2009 That, folks, is a true Red Wings fan. I wouldn't blame Pavel for our 3 loses. We have plenty of firepower and, really, I can't think of anyone who has been carrying the team. Besides Ozzy. Franzen? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stiffy 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2009 Babcock can't score the goals for Pavel. There are no magic coaching tricks that are guaranteed to result in offense. Or magic line combinations. At some point it falls on the head of the player. The player still has to play. The player still has to execute. This isn't football where bad play calling falls on the coaches head. There is this thing called reality that I am trying to get across here. He is playing his ass off, but not scoring. Why? Because they focused on him. Respond by adapting to that focus, not just wishing. I'm just glad you aren't in the military or running a large company. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted May 14, 2009 There is this thing called reality that I am trying to get across here. He is playing his ass off, but not scoring. Why? Because they focused on him. Respond by adapting to that focus, not just wishing. I'm just glad you aren't in the military or running a large company. No matter what happens, the Ducks are going to focus on Pavel. He's got to fight through it. All the best players do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stiffy 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) No matter what happens, the Ducks are going to focus on Pavel. He's got to fight through it. All the best players do. Why you did start this absurdly weak argument? Massive line combo changes going on right now prove one of us knows how to think like a NHL coach in game 7's and that one would be me. You get new players on your line you have a fresh start and can play differently while the other team has to adjust. It's a no brainer. Sure it isn't analogous to calling plays in football, but in any sport, as a coach or player, you want to the one acting, not reacting. Scotty Bowman, Art of War, Patton, Payton... it's what winners do. Edited May 15, 2009 by Stiffy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grindlinelove 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2009 Well, we now have a new opponent. Maybe a new look will spring Datsyuk to life. I mean, two playoff rounds he's been silent...soooo theory would say that when he breaks out, it's gonna be a BIIIG game. Let's see the little freak get loose Sunday! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kira 451 Report post Posted May 15, 2009 Maybe this round he won't have people all over him like fleas on a dog. He's due and he usually does pretty good against Khabibulin. I expect that the sleeper will awaken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
