Ottawa Sun: Wings have made lucrative long term offer to Hossa

[diehardredwing19 11]

Can't Holland structure a contract that work with Lidstrom's contract (and some of the other guys coming off the books) next year?

Do something 10 years - 2million, 7.5million, 7.5million, 7.5million, 7million, 6million, 4.5million, 3.5million, 2million,

^for example

that is exactly what im thinking man and no one has brought it up, i mean you gotta think after next year n lids contract being up im sure he'll sign a one year contract extension, and he knows n the orginization knows that his salary will have to be way lower then it is now

[rick zombo 3,739]

that is exactly what im thinking man and no one has brought it up, i mean you gotta think after next year n lids contract being up im sure he'll sign a one year contract extension, and he knows n the orginization knows that his salary will have to be way lower then it is now

fellers.

you can't do this.

(2+7.5+7.5+7.5+7+6+4.5+3.5+2) divided by 9 = 5.3M

This 5.3M will be his cap hit for every season for the 9 year contract. That's how it works.

You could sign him for 0.1M one year and 20M the next and his cap hit would still be 10.5M per year for two years.

[diehardredwing19 11]

fellers.

you can't do this.

(2+7.5+7.5+7.5+7+6+4.5+3.5+2) divided by 9 = 5.3M

This 5.3M will be his cap hit for every season for the 9 year contract. That's how it works.

You could sign him for 0.1M one year and 20M the next and his cap hit would still be 10.5M per year for two years.

daym icic, well this cap world s*** is such a piss off at times

[YoungGuns1340 1]

fellers.

you can't do this.

(2+7.5+7.5+7.5+7+6+4.5+3.5+2) divided by 9 = 5.3M

This 5.3M will be his cap hit for every season for the 9 year contract. That's how it works.

You could sign him for 0.1M one year and 20M the next and his cap hit would still be 10.5M per year for two years.

Actually, you cant do that either.

[RedFX 48]

It all depends on who the Isle really wants. If they are set on Tavares, then deal with the Light. I am just hell bent on getting Hedman, somehow, someway! How about throwing in Andersson or Kindl or Smith? There has to be some prospects we could package along woith Hudler and Kronwall to get Hedman! PLEASE KENNY GET IT DONE!!!!

Okay, let's think about this for a second. You're willing to drop Kronwall (a proven defenseman who's been in the league 5 years, played in two cup finals, and for the past two seasons has finally been healthy) for Hedman (an 18 year old who's never played an NHL game, has proven nothing at the NHL level, and who may not even be ready to play consistently at the pro level).

Really?

[Raptor1116 11]

fellers.

you can't do this.

(2+7.5+7.5+7.5+7+6+4.5+3.5+2) divided by 9 = 5.3M

This 5.3M will be his cap hit for every season for the 9 year contract. That's how it works.

You could sign him for 0.1M one year and 20M the next and his cap hit would still be 10.5M per year for two years.

That is not correct. With the cap a team has two options. One, they take the average of the money on the deal for the life of the contract, see Zetterberg, Dats, and Mule.

Option two is that you count that year's salary against the cap per year. So with this idea Hossa's cap number would change each year depending on how much he is to earn in that year. What the other poster was suggesting was that with Lidstrom's contract coming up the Wings could give Hossa 2 million next year, that would be his cap hit, and then the next his cap hit would go up to 7.4 and change per year and it would work because Lidstrom's contract would come off the books.

At least that's what I thought the poster was suggesting.

[rage 24]

That is not correct. With the cap a team has two options. One, they take the average of the money on the deal for the life of the contract, see Zetterberg, Dats, and Mule.

Option two is that you count that year's salary against the cap per year. So with this idea Hossa's cap number would change each year depending on how much he is to earn in that year. What the other poster was suggesting was that with Lidstrom's contract coming up the Wings could give Hossa 2 million next year, that would be his cap hit, and then the next his cap hit would go up to 7.4 and change per year and it would work because Lidstrom's contract would come off the books.

At least that's what I thought the poster was suggesting.

Are you sure about this?

I was under the impression the teams HAVE to average the Cap Hit out over the length of the contract.

[Raptor1116 11]

Are you sure about this?

I was under the impression the teams HAVE to average the Cap Hit out over the length of the contract.

I'm pretty sure. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the teams had that choice. Average it or take the hit per year.

Not saying I would do that, I much prefer the long term average contracts, and most teams do this to get a lower hit for a long time.

Well after some google searching it appears I may have been wrong.

" Averaging Out Contracts:

* On a multi-year contract, the cap hit will be based on the average annual salary.

* i.e., if a player signs a three-year deal paying $7 million in year one, $5 million in year two, and $3 million in year three, the salary cap charge is $5 million per year for three years"

I would have sworn that I read somewhere a few years ago that you could take it per year, but I guess not.

Edited June 26, 2009 by Raptor1116

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Are you sure about this?

I was under the impression the teams HAVE to average the Cap Hit out over the length of the contract.

No. Hes not sure. There are no options. Thats retarded. The average per year counts against the cap. Thats it. No other options.

[Zetts 236]

No. Hes not sure. There are no options. Thats retarded. The average per year counts against the cap. Thats it. No other options.

x2

We really need to put some sort of note at the top of these forums so people stop suggesting this stuff.

[rage 24]

No. Hes not sure. There are no options. Thats retarded. The average per year counts against the cap. Thats it. No other options.

:rotflmao:

Funny response.

[rage 24]

I would have sworn that I read somewhere a few years ago that you could take it per year, but I guess not.

That's okay.

Thanks for clearing it up.

Edited June 26, 2009 by rage

[FedorovMan91 1]

No. Hes not sure. There are no options. Thats retarded. The average per year counts against the cap. Thats it. No other options.

Awesome post. If it works with the choices, the league must be retarded. It is quite surprising that many people don't know how the salary cap is composed by the average, not by the each year's salary.

p.s) not bashing Raptor1116. I don't know many things about hockey either

Edited June 26, 2009 by FedorovMan91

[therock48880 14]

Looks like they're aways apart in negotiations.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...en_red_win.html

"Hossa's agent, Ritch Winter, is seeking a deal worth $6 million per season. The Red Wings, because of their limited salary cap space, can't afford to give him much more than $4 million per season."

[bellarina 1]

Perhaps we actually agree then? Like I said, I would take Hossa at 4 million. I wouldn't like it, since I still really dislike the guy, but it would be pretty difficult not to make that deal. Having said that, what are the chances of that actually happening? I'm thinking of a combination of a snowball and hell.

As far as your comment about the same excuse being applied to Hank...I actually have no idea what you mean by that. Do you mean for Hank himself offensively? In which case, he was actually quite good. Or do you mean from the point of the view of the players that Hank shut down, in which case I would say that Hossa never had someone of Hank's calibre on his tail during the playoffs.

Yawn!

[beepbeep 3]

s***, if he wants 6M per, there is no way Holland can sign him..... They should trade his rights to a team he would like to sign with...

[digitaljohn88 4]

I think we can get him to settle for a deal just under 5mil per season, which is more than fair for a scorer like Hossa. The question is whether it will be good for us to stay in cap hell for one year for the long-term benefit.

Edited June 26, 2009 by digitaljohn88

[#18 the _Hoss_ 2]

Rich Winter has a history of pushing it to the max. Relax.

[b.shanafan14 733]

Well, if Hossa wants $6mil and term, he isn't going to be a Red Wings, which is unfortunate. But I won't blame the guy. The Wings are willing to pay him $40mil over 10 years, there are at least 5 other teams that would give him $60mil over that same period.

$20mil is a lot of coin. I've loved the Red Wings my whole life, and I would bolt for an extra $20mil. These athletes so often end up in financial straits after they retire, whether it be poor spending or whatever, every little bit counts.

Hossa could have been a great Wing and won lots of Championships, but I don't blame him when he goes elsewhere. Good Luck, Hoss.

[Zetts 236]

Yawn!

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that my responses were supposed to be for your personal entertainment. I'm so happy that you were able to use your obvious intelligence to contribute to this discussion.

So that I know for the future, what should I include? Dancing bears? Some sort of murder story?