stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 I love how people act as if the Wings organization was perfect and did nothing at all that might have made Fedorov look elsewhere. But, I'll impart the story, AGAIN. Fedorov was going through some personal problems during the season when the Wings wanted to negotiate, and asked for some more time. The Wings' management was aggravated by this. Later, the Wings offered a $50m, 5 year deal which they then pulled from the table and replaced with a $40m, 4 year deal. Fedorov asked for the fifth year back and was told no. He said term was more important than salary and that he was willing to add the year without adding value (making it a $40m, 5 year deal). The Wings rejected that and said take it or leave it regarding the 4 year deal. Fedorov instead took a 5 year, $40m deal from Anaheim. That greedy bastard. Taking less money than he was offered by the Wings, just because the Wings wouldn't give him the five years they initially offered him. and what about the constant rejections of every offer they ever gave him, the hold out and the pain in the ass EVERY single negotiation was with him? I'm sure that did nothing to burn out management here? I think they just got fed up with his antics... Keep in mind, this organization basically smuggled his ENTIRE family out of Russia safely during a very volatile time and was never anything but accommodating to him and the way he basically jerked them around every time it was time for a new contract was a joke... Also, as said before, look what he's done since he left... I'm not saying he wasn't insanely talented, but people seem to overlook the fact that he had the likes of guys like Yzerman and Larionov setting him up all those years, two of the most gifted passers of the generation... the system definitely helped him... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 I'm sure Feds signing the Hurricanes contract offer back in 1998 left a sour taste in the mouths of Holland/Ilitch; so much as to not having enough patience in dealing with Fedorov later on. this too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 I love how people act as if the Wings organization was perfect and did nothing at all that might have made Fedorov look elsewhere. But, I'll impart the story, AGAIN. Fedorov was going through some personal problems during the season when the Wings wanted to negotiate, and asked for some more time. The Wings' management was aggravated by this. Later, the Wings offered a $50m, 5 year deal which they then pulled from the table and replaced with a $40m, 4 year deal. Fedorov asked for the fifth year back and was told no. He said term was more important than salary and that he was willing to add the year without adding value (making it a $40m, 5 year deal). The Wings rejected that and said take it or leave it regarding the 4 year deal. Fedorov instead took a 5 year, $40m deal from Anaheim. That greedy bastard. Taking less money than he was offered by the Wings, just because the Wings wouldn't give him the five years they initially offered him. Don't you understand that everyone should want to take a discount to play in Detroit? Just imagine if the shoe were on the other foot, and that a player left Anaheim to take a lesser deal to play for the Wings. I wonder if the same people on this forum who call Feds greedy and difficult would be singing the same tune. Somehow, I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Don't you understand that everyone should want to take a discount to play in Detroit? Just imagine if the shoe were on the other foot, and that a player left Anaheim to take a lesser deal to play for the Wings. I wonder if the same people on this forum who call Feds greedy and difficult would be singing the same tune. Somehow, I doubt it. Um that would be because we are fans of the Red Wings not the Ducks, much like all with Cheli was forgotten when he got here. You can assert your sarcasm all you want, but there is no mistaking what happened and how he played. Your opinion of him is whatever you want it to be, but lets not pretend the guy was out there every shift with his heart on the blade of his stick. IF it was we are now talking about arguably one of the best hockey players the game has ever seen. Moginly speed, Bure sniping, Draper Defense, a flare for the dramatic play, the man had a tool chest full of high end skill no denying that, he just liked to keep the tool box locked up and in the trunk more than most of us would have liked, including one Mr. Bowman! Eva loves to through stats and facts out there that look like they completely back up his story and make it unflappable, until you look at what he conveniently left out! For instance in his great defense argument of Feds he completely failed to bring up the Carolina incident, so the front office was supposed to completely forget about him dragging out the team once already only to sign a tender from another club and take him on his word that it is really just personal problems and he is not negotiating with other teams. As Great White once said: My my my I'm once bitten twice shy baby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Um that would be because we are fans of the Red Wings not the Ducks, much like all with Cheli was forgotten when he got here. You can assert your sarcasm all you want, but there is no mistaking what happened and how he played. Your opinion of him is whatever you want it to be, but lets not pretend the guy was out there every shift with his heart on the blade of his stick. IF it was we are now talking about arguably one of the best hockey players the game has ever seen. Moginly speed, Bure sniping, Draper Defense, a flare for the dramatic play, the man had a tool chest full of high end skill no denying that, he just liked to keep the tool box locked up and in the trunk more than most of us would have liked, including one Mr. Bowman! Eva loves to through stats and facts out there that look like they completely back up his story and make it unflappable, until you look at what he conveniently left out! For instance in his great defense argument of Feds he completely failed to bring up the Carolina incident, so the front office was supposed to completely forget about him dragging out the team once already only to sign a tender from another club and take him on his word that it is really just personal problems and he is not negotiating with other teams. As Great White once said: My my my I'm once bitten twice shy baby Can't argue with you about the contract situation with the Canes, but I'd have to think this was far from a unique negotiation technique between player and team to get the best deal possible. I'll stand by my original statements in that anyone saying that Feds had NO HEART the whole time he was a Wing is sheer lunacy, just as it is likewise to deny that he is one of the greatest and most talented players to ever wear the red and white. BTW, that might be the first 80's hair band quote I've ever seen on this forum. Nice touch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Can't argue with you about the contract situation with the Canes, but I'd have to think this was far from a unique negotiation technique between player and team to get the best deal possible. I'll stand by my original statements in that anyone saying that Feds had NO HEART the whole time he was a Wing is sheer lunacy, just as it is likewise to deny that he is one of the greatest and most talented players to ever wear the red and white. BTW, that might be the first 80's hair band quote I've ever seen on this forum. Nice touch. Yeah I have to agree, no one can claim he never had heart, there were two whole seasons in particular where he was about as untouchable as one can be playing Hockey. And yes he was one of the most talented Wings to ever lace them up. I tend to throw a lot of cheesy music, movie, or TV quotes out there. A couple of weeks ago I started a post using a tv show pic (I think it was different strokes that started the mayhem) to use their title instead of the words in my post. I am an asshat, with ADHD, a fair amount of time on my hands, and a lack of self control. A deadly combination! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darvesh88 8 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Threads like these are a waste of database space. Kovalev ? are u kidding me? This team doesn't need another star or 50 goal scorer. This team needs ROLE players say it with me R O L E P L A Y E R S. Players that can throw the big hits, win the battles against the boards, score some timely goals and overall give it 100% every shift, sort of like Cleary. We already have Lidstrom, Rafalski, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filppula and Hossa (depends). How many more stars are really necessary? this isn't a no salary cap league anymore. You need BALANCE of a mixed type of players to win. Scorers + Checkers + Defense + Goaltending = WIN. not STARS and we can't afford the damn guy anyway. If we can't keep Hossa & Hudler together how the hell you fit Kovalev on this roster? s*** is too tight to fit!!!! just ask holland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
