Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 I'll pass. Georges is pricey, getting older, and slow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Laperiere at $1.1m would have been a huge and more effective upgrade over Laraque at $1.5m. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 I'll pass. Georges is pricey, getting older, and slow. last year of his contract... what would we lose? if it doesn't work, don't bring him back... and he's no slower than any other tough guy in the league... faster than most as a matter of fact Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Laperiere at $1.1m would have been a huge and more effective upgrade over Laraque at $1.5m. that's a moot point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motown4013 350 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Consider yourself officially FLAMED! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Consider yourself officially FLAMED! Lulz. Kidding... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Consider yourself officially FLAMED! eh... I know it's probably not the best move for the team... I've just always wanted this guy in a Wings uni... can't blame me for wanting to see one of my favorite players on my team... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Laperiere at $1.1m would have been a huge and more effective upgrade over Laraque at $1.5m. that's a moot point. Colton Orr would have made a nice addition as well IMHO, but thats another moot point. I will continue to defer to Kenny's judgement however. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xBrave_Heartx 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Laraque is a joke! If he isn't out with a Groin Injury, Then he's doing nothing worthwhile. He's a great fighter dont get me wrong, But he is also a horrible enforcer. You need that killer instinct you need to want to protect your teammates. Laraque views being an enforcer as a job. He's what alot of people here on this site hate.. off the face off.. want to drop the mitts type of guy.. not a heat of the moment, where it needs to happen type guy.. I'd take a washed up McCarty over Laraque. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EastLansingNative 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 If what people are saying about Laraque is true, wouldn't he at least have potential? We've established that he has class, and is no "Avery". That being the case, don't you think a coach could instruct him on when to fight, without having to worry about him taking stupid penalties by making the decision (poorly) on his own? I haven't watched Laraque play a great deal, but from what I've heard here, he may not be your typical enforcer, but he contains all the necessary ingredients to be "enforcer putty" for Babcock to properly mold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Theres a difference between a fighter and an enforcer. Hes the best of the best fighting wise, but when it comes to actually doing his job as an enforcer, he does nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) 9 majors last year and steadily had 15-30 points a year from 00-07 on 4th lines... also is a career +7.. ALSO on 4th lines... I don't know, I think he'd have a breakout year here, like 30pts, a steady 8-10 minutes a night... Why did you conveniently leave out the last three seasons? Probably because his point output, which you cite as substantiated, in those last three seasons were the equivalent of half a season to a full season in those years you cite (this is also why I am extremely skeptical of people using stats solely as their basis for any argument -- conveniently [ab]using it for an agenda). And somehow this justifies taking up a roster spot and valuable money in very little capspace left just because he occasionally drops the gloves? I can understand you're a Georges slappy, but holy s*** is this ever an amazingly horrible idea. Edited July 2, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 If what people are saying about Laraque is true, wouldn't he at least have potential? We've established that he has class, and is no "Avery". That being the case, don't you think a coach could instruct him on when to fight, without having to worry about him taking stupid penalties by making the decision (poorly) on his own? I haven't watched Laraque play a great deal, but from what I've heard here, he may not be your typical enforcer, but he contains all the necessary ingredients to be "enforcer putty" for Babcock to properly mold. Laraque is about the opposite of "enforcer putty" and often gets benched because of it. He is simply too nice of a guy on the ice. Laraque trying to define himself as a skater gets him about as far as Hudler would trying to define himself as an enforcer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Why did you conveniently leave out the last three seasons? Probably because his point output, which you cite as substantiated, in those last three seasons were the equivalent of half a season to a full season in those years you cite (this is also why I am extremely skeptical of people using stats solely as their basis for any argument -- conveniently [ab]using it for an agenda). And somehow this justifies taking up a roster spot and valuable money in very little capspace left just because he occasionally drops the gloves? I can understand you're a Georges slappy, but holy s*** is this ever an amazingly horrible idea. he's only 2 years removed from a 24 pts season, which I also already posted... I'd take him over most others and once again - ONLY ONE YEAR LEFT ON THE DEAL - We can cut ties in 2010 if it doesn't work... see a few posts above too - I said: eh... I know it's probably not the best move for the team... I've just always wanted this guy in a Wings uni... can't blame me for wanting to see one of my favorite players on my team... wtf is up with people replying before reading all the way through... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillwater 186 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 ... and he showed that given the chance, he can put up 30 pts in a season as well... That's twice you've stated this. That's two more times than he's actually done it in his entire career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Laraque is about the opposite of "enforcer putty" and often gets benched because of it. He is simply too nice of a guy on the ice. Laraque trying to define himself as a skater gets him about as far as Hudler would trying to define himself as an enforcer. agree to disagree. I think he would do WHATEVER Babcock asked of him and that's all you can ask from a player... we don't need a goon, we need a player that fits our mold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Has any team actually re-signed Laraque once his contract ran out? One of those guys who looks better on paper than in reality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Has any team actually re-signed Laraque once his contract ran out? One of those guys who looks better on paper than in reality. that's because he's gotten a raise almost every time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 I think we need a good banger as much as a fighter to pair up with Helm. Having Helm hit consistently as much as he did during the playoffs wouldn't last long. With his size, its only a matter of time before he would get hurt, and then his speed would go to waste. Pair him up with a strong 2nd forechecker to crush the guy receiving the 1st pass and throw down when necessary. Laraque ain't that guy. We need a hungry young guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted July 2, 2009 he's only 2 years removed from a 24 pts season, which I also already posted... I'd take him over most others and once again - ONLY ONE YEAR LEFT ON THE DEAL - We can cut ties in 2010 if it doesn't work... see a few posts above too - I said: wtf is up with people replying before reading all the way through... Well if the salary is being taken up why should the team wait through the entire season? I'm sure Wings management know what they'd get with Laraque as he isn't the type of player to pull a surprise season out of his hat and score 10-20 goals all of a sudden. I probably would have seen the logic of him coming to the Wings years back, but certainly not now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 I think we need a good banger as much as a fighter to pair up with Helm. Having Helm hit consistently as much as he did during the playoffs wouldn't last long. With his size, its only a matter of time before he would get hurt, and then his speed would go to waste. Pair him up with a strong 2nd forechecker to crush the guy receiving the 1st pass and throw down when necessary. Laraque ain't that guy. We need a hungry young guy. I'd be all for Artyukhin in TB... they only have 4 d-men signed too... maybe Ledba and a prospect would get him here? The reason I say Laraque in the first place, is his personality and how the city would just be drawn to him... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xBrave_Heartx 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 I'd be all for Artyukhin in TB... they only have 4 d-men signed too... maybe Ledba and a prospect would get him here? The reason I say Laraque in the first place, is his personality and how the city would just be drawn to him... My hate for Laraque is huge, but if he became a wing. I'd give him my undivided attention. I wouldn't mind him, but i think we could get a better enforcer for league minimum, and we wouldn't have to deal with the Media attention that laraque gets or his Glass Groin. Artyukhin would be solid, But he wouldn't be our answer to our enforcer woes.. He'd give our 3rd line some juice though, He's a hitter for sure.. He can destroy people. Helm and Arty. throw in Cleary. You've got yourself quite a fearsome 3rd line.. I'd rather go the Moen route though. Moen - Helm - Cleary, North American.. 3 Grinders.. Man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
