Aaron Downey gets NHL Coyotes try-out

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Anyone who doesn't like what he did is lucky they weren't around in the late 80's and early 90's, because the Wings did worse stuff than this all the time. Fans here have become molded by this europussy style.

What will happen if the Wings hit 40 fighting majors in a few seasons and also pull some dirty s*** here and there like just about every other team does? Will you soft angels denounce the Wings and profess your desire to root for some KHL team instead?

We JUST SIGNED A GUY THAT PARALYZED A MAN AND ENDED HIS CAREER, PEOPLE!!! How do you fell about that if you're going to complain about what Downey did?

Exactly.Probert used to deck goalies like it was legal,and yes,when Holland gets his head out of his ass and figures out that,in fact,skill AND grit is the key to success,we'll be on our way.Some posters on this site would not have liked the 80s ad 90s..its hockey..and Downey threw a simple elbow...2 minute penalty and forget about it.....Jesus

[Doc Holiday 0]

ur makin a big deal about a simple elbow.and u sure as hell talk and ***** about something that small,it makes me feel like im on a soccer forum instead of a hockey one,get over it.

I didn't *****.

You are continuing to make up strawman arguments.

Come on now. You are in such a defensive mode you didn't even notice that mj was quoting "Miracle" as a joke.

GMR: If you want to get on a soapbox about the horrible Euro ***** hockey infecting the NHL, go to Bettman. Or perhaps the person who invented the "elbowing" rule.

Honestly, the "tough hockey" people are the ones acting more like girls than the "***** euro hockey" people are. Calm down guys. You don't like people like Hudler. Others don't like people like Bertuzzi, and don't like it when guys like Aaron Downey cheapshot goalies. It is called a difference of opinion, and you don't have to go about it calling the other people "*******", "goons", or using the "rolleyes" smiley to act like you are speaking with children.

Edited August 24, 2009 by Doc Holiday

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I didn't *****.

You are continuing to make up strawman arguments.

Come on now.

GMR: If you want to get on a soapbox about the horrible Euro ***** hockey infecting the NHL, go to Bettman. Or perhaps the person who invented the "elbowing" rule.

Honestly, the "tough hockey" people are the ones acting more like girls than the "***** euro hockey" people are. Calm down guys. You don't like people like Hudler. Others don't like people like Bertuzzi, and don't like it when guys like Aaron Downey cheapshot goalies.

Now you're making a strawman argument. I never said anything in this thread about infecting the NHL. Why don't you respond to my post instead of criticizing me on my general points in the past. I think I posted some interesting questions in my post that I'd like to see some critics answer if they think that what Downey did was so wrong. Oh, also I didn't call any poster here a ***** in my post. I just said that people have become too influenced by the Wings ***** style and have forgotten what hockey can be like when it's nasty.

Edited August 24, 2009 by GMRwings1983

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

I didn't *****.

You are continuing to make up strawman arguments.

Come on now.

GMR: If you want to get on a soapbox about the horrible Euro ***** hockey infecting the NHL, go to Bettman. Or perhaps the person who invented the "elbowing" rule.

Honestly, the "tough hockey" people are the ones acting more like girls than the "***** euro hockey" people are. Calm down guys. You don't like people like Hudler. Others don't like people like Bertuzzi, and don't like it when guys like Aaron Downey cheapshot goalies.

i just think its kinda ridiculous that hockey is starting to turn into a ballerina contest..and im not the only one with this opinion,im sure

[Doc Holiday 0]

Now you're making a strawman argument. I never said anything in this thread about infecting the NHL. Why don't you respond to my post instead of criticizing me on my general points in the past. I think I posted some interesting questions in my post that I'd like to see some critics answer if they think that what Downey did was so wrong. Oh, also I didn't call any poster here a ***** in my post. I just said that people have become too influenced by the Wings ***** style and have forgotten what hockey can be like when it's nasty.

I've seen nasty hockey, and honestly I'm not really a fan of it when it gets to the point of running the opposing team's goaltender because you are down 5-0. Man up and fight someone who can fight you back instead of running at someone who isn't even supposed to be hit. You know I like enforcers, and I would have loved to have Downey signed again, but THAT play was Busch League. It's a ***** play and if I was a fan of the other team I'd want Downey to get his head ripped off.

What did Downey do that was wrong?

Elbowed an unsuspecting player after the play.

Made malicious contact with a GOALTENDER.

Is that supposed to be "good" hockey? I thought good hockey was hard-hitting, tough action with great goals and battles for the puck. Not "Hey its a goalie, lets knock him over after the whistle" bulls***. I was a tenacious little bastard when I played but I'd never do that, and I'd beat the s*** out of any little snot that would do that. That was not Aaron Downey.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I've seen nasty hockey, and honestly I'm not really a fan of it when it gets to the point of running the opposing team's goaltender because you are down 5-0. Man up and fight someone who can fight you back instead of running at someone who isn't even supposed to be hit. You know I like enforcers, and I would have loved to have Downey signed again, but THAT play was Busch League. It's a ***** play and if I was a fan of the other team I'd want Downey to get his head ripped off.

What did Downey do that was wrong?

Elbowed an unsuspecting player after the play.

Made malicious contact with a GOALTENDER.

Is that supposed to be "good" hockey? I thought good hockey was hard-hitting, tough action with great goals and battles for the puck. Not "Hey its a goalie, lets knock him over after the whistle" bulls***. I was a tenacious little bastard when I played but I'd never do that, and I'd beat the s*** out of any little snot that would do that. That was not Aaron Downey.

Then I'm guessing you weren't a Wings fan back in the 80's and early 90's when it was a goonfest every game. Also, I wonder what you'll act like if 5 years from now the Wings turn into the Flyers or Ducks. Are you going to complain after every game about the Wings being too dirty?

[Doc Holiday 0]

Then I'm guessing you weren't a Wings fan back in the 80's and early 90's when it was a goonfest every game. Also, I wonder what you'll act like if 5 years from now the Wings turn into the Flyers or Ducks. Are you going to complain after every game about the Wings being too dirty?

I'll be a fan of the Wings no matter what road they take. That is irrelevant (and even if I did complain, its no different as the people who call the Wings soft in the majority of threads here)

No matter what, I'll give a player s*** for cowardly running a goaltender. That isn't tough, that isn't good, and that isn't hockey.

Man up and punch someone's teeth out if you want to enforce. Throw an elbow at a forward like Gordie did back in the day. But don't ******* cheap shot a goaltender out of nowhere.

Edited August 24, 2009 by Doc Holiday

[AtomicPunk 296]

Was this a cheap shot?

[Doc Holiday 0]

Was this a cheap shot?

No, that is Sean Avery being a douchebag like he always is.

[AtomicPunk 296]

I'm just curious if people think that was, but without the Red Wing glasses on, look at the Avery incident and how much is it really different?

[Doc Holiday 0]

I'm just curious if people think that was, but without the Red Wing glasses on, look at the Avery incident and how much is it really different?

He tapped him in the back of the helmet?

Can someone put up the Downey video, because from my last recollection it was actual hard contact.

[AtomicPunk 296]

I looked for it to compare but couldn't find it on YouTube.

[newfy 695]

I didn't *****.

You are continuing to make up strawman arguments.

Come on now. You are in such a defensive mode you didn't even notice that mj was quoting "Miracle" as a joke.

GMR: If you want to get on a soapbox about the horrible Euro ***** hockey infecting the NHL, go to Bettman. Or perhaps the person who invented the "elbowing" rule.

Honestly, the "tough hockey" people are the ones acting more like girls than the "***** euro hockey" people are. Calm down guys. You don't like people like Hudler. Others don't like people like Bertuzzi, and don't like it when guys like Aaron Downey cheapshot goalies. It is called a difference of opinion, and you don't have to go about it calling the other people "*******", "goons", or using the "rolleyes" smiley to act like you are speaking with children.

I liked Hudler. You need guys like him on a team to win. You know goal scorers, oh wait of course you know what they are because you think a team needs to dress all 12 forward spots with them to win a game.

I think a team needs balance. Are the wings good now? Hell ya and I love every second of it. Could they improve? Yes, no one is perfect and the only area the wings could improve is the toughness department. How are you so sure that if they didn't add some toughg rinders they wouldn't be an even better team?

I know what Downey did was against the rules but in the playoffs thats what guys like him should be doing. He shouldn't get hated here for it. Doing stuff like that can help your team win a game. This is a serious question? Were you alive in the 90's and early 2000's for that matter even when the wings dynasty began? Or are you a band wagon fan that started watching the wings after the lockout and didn't see what they played like back before that?

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

This thread needs an enforcer *pours salt on wound*

[Doc Holiday 0]

I liked Hudler. You need guys like him on a team to win. You know goal scorers, oh wait of course you know what they are because you think a team needs to dress all 12 forward spots with them to win a game.

Never said that. I appreciate the strawman though.

I want the fourth line to have energy guys. Guys like Helm, Abdelkader, Downey, Mac, etc. Wasn't much the Wings could do with guys like Maltby and Draper hogging roster spots with their salaries last year, or this year. But I don't think that energy guy has to be an enforcer or a regular fighter.

I think a team needs balance. Are the wings good now? Hell ya and I love every second of it. Could they improve? Yes, no one is perfect and the only area the wings could improve is the toughness department. How are you so sure that if they didn't add some toughg rinders they wouldn't be an even better team?

And how do you know they WOULD? Detroit had energy guys and still lost. Why? Not because of momentum. Because the players that needed to produce didn't.

I know what Downey did was against the rules but in the playoffs thats what guys like him should be doing.

I don't. If he wants to provide energy, do what Talbot did against Carcillo in game six of the Easter Conference Quarterfinals. Stand up for your team. Don't run the other team's goalie like a *****.

He shouldn't get hated here for it.

I don't think so either. Doesn't mean someone is an idiot for hating him for that reason.

Doing stuff like that can help your team win a game.

Did they win that game?

This is a serious question? Were you alive in the 90's and early 2000's for that matter even when the wings dynasty began? Or are you a band wagon fan that started watching the wings after the lockout and didn't see what they played like back before that?

You caught me, I wasn't a fan until Holland started bringing in a bunch of soft Euros and stopped Dressing tough guys. I was so mad when they brought McCarty back, and I will continue to be mad until there are 12 five foot Euro forwards on the ice for all twenty minutes. And they should fire Babcock too. He is too tough for Detroit. Bring in a pillow with a face to coach the team. And hang bedsheets with pink bunnies on them along each side of him to coach the defense, offense, and special teams.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Never said that. I appreciate the strawman though.

I want the fourth line to have energy guys. Guys like Helm, Abdelkader, Downey, Mac, etc. Wasn't much the Wings could do with guys like Maltby and Draper hogging roster spots with their salaries last year, or this year. But I don't think that energy guy has to be an enforcer or a regular fighter.

And how do you know they WOULD? Detroit had energy guys and still lost. Why? Not because of momentum. Because the players that needed to produce didn't.

I don't. If he wants to provide energy, do what Talbot did against Carcillo in game six of the Easter Conference Quarterfinals. Stand up for your team. Don't run the other team's goalie like a *****.

I don't think so either. Doesn't mean someone is an idiot for hating him for that reason.

Did they win that game?

You caught me, I wasn't a fan until Holland started bringing in a bunch of soft Euros and stopped Dressing tough guys. I was so mad when they brought McCarty back, and I will continue to be mad until there are 12 five foot Euro forwards on the ice for all twenty minutes. And they should fire Babcock too. He is too tough for Detroit. Bring in a pillow with a face to coach the team. And hang bedsheets with pink bunnies on them along each side of him to coach the defense, offense, and special teams.

had me fooled

[Doc Holiday 0]

had me fooled

Why even bother replying?

If you aren't going to discuss the issue leave the thread alone. And you have no reason to think I'm some "soft euro hockey" lover.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Why even bother replying?

If you aren't going to discuss the issue leave the thread alone. And you have no reason to think I'm some "soft euro hockey" lover.

I got plenty of reasons and you knw it..and if im correct,the topic of this thread was how Downey got a tryout w Phoenix,not his supposed"cheap shot elbow".if u arent going to discuss the real topic,leave the thread alone.

[Doc Holiday 0]

I got plenty of reasons and you knw it..and if im correct,the topic of this thread was how Downey got a tryout w Phoenix,not his supposed"cheap shot elbow".if u arent going to discuss the real topic,leave the thread alone.

Someone said they were glad he was gone because of that cheapshot, and I was just trying to discuss the validity of having an opinion like that.

I've been much more on the subject than you have, that's for sure.

"Fooled me" doesn't bring anything to the table except the accusation that I'm a little girl who wishes the Wings wore tutus and didn't have to be hit all the time. I'm not like that, and all you have is my belief that "Enforcers aren't a necessity" to back it up. That's it. Oh and that Downey's elbow to a goalies head was cheap. Congrats.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Someone said they were glad he was gone because of that cheapshot, and I was just trying to discuss the validity of having an opinion like that.

I've been much more on the subject than you have, that's for sure.

"Fooled me" doesn't bring anything to the table except the accusation that I'm a little girl who wishes the Wings wore tutus and didn't have to be hit all the time. I'm not like that, and all you have is my belief that "Enforcers aren't a necessity" to back it up. That's it. Oh and that Downey's elbow to a goalies head was cheap. Congrats.

well this isnt the first time ive ran into u..and im sure uve had many more arguments like this..congrats

[Doc Holiday 0]

well this isnt the first time ive ran into u..and im sure uve had many more arguments like this..congrats

Actually you are the first one. Actually, second.

Micah, Esteef, Broken 16, and GMR have been pretty good with their discourse. Sure they've been abrasive at times (just like myself), but they understand my position very well.

(unfortunately one of them may come in here calling me out )

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Actually you are the first one. Actually, second.

Micah, Esteef, Broken 16, and GMR have been pretty good with their discourse. Sure they've been abrasive at times (just like myself), but they understand my position very well.

(unfortunately one of them may come in here calling me out )

i'm not callin u out,its just every time im on a thread,i see ur arguing w somebody over enforcers or toughness or whatever..at least u appreciate what Darren McCarty has done because that guy leftwinger or w/e sure as hell doesnt

[Doc Holiday 0]

i'm not callin u out,its just every time im on a thread,i see ur arguing w somebody over enforcers or toughness or whatever..at least u appreciate what Darren McCarty has done because that guy leftwinger or w/e sure as hell doesnt

Because the "enforcer" crowd (if you want to call them that) is very adamant about their convictions. I think they are entitled to have an opinion, but I think the person who said they were glad to have Downey gone was yelled at too harshly. That's the reason I got into this thread with a bunch of people.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Because the "enforcer" crowd (if you want to call them that) is very adamant about their convictions. I think they are entitled to have an opinion, but I think the person who said they were glad to have Downey gone was yelled at too harshly. That's the reason I got into this thread with a bunch of people.

as a part of the "enforcer"crowd i make the mistakes of going into threads talking about Hudler w his hookers or whatever..and it doesnt even really take much for sparks to fly...in my case,a thread like the Hudler one was not a good one for a pro-enforcer poster to get into..it just matters what other posters are around..if ur an anti-enforcer (im not saying u are)and u go into a topic about Aaron Downey,theres gonna be sparks flying.like i said it doesnt take much.

[Guest E_S_A_D]

Hmmm, let me guess on the redundancy of this thread...

9 pages- 12 I'm guessing.

A bunch of people will make strong valid points of why he was valuable, then you'll have the naysayers say how he was useless. Then a fight will happen in 2010 or a bad hit and the Enforcer crowd will say that those shots can be diminished to a degree, hence how often has Sidney Crosby been cheap shotted badly so far? Not much. Then you'll have those saying 'no no no, enforcers are a myth'.

I give up on even giving my points in these threads anymore. I will say one generality and that is- it is VERY apparent to me those that have been fans of hockey more or less than 10 years. It stands out like a sore thumb.