Laperriere

[NGKEIB 32]

Bob Probert was a huge ***** - not tieing down his sweater (until rules forced him to, and even then only when he felt like it) so it would come off easily, often shaking off his elbow pads mid-fight.

Lappy is far from a toughguy, but he is game and he backs up his mouth, so he is A-OK in my book.

Not necessarily - he often kept them on, from what I could see. That is how he executed his patented 'throw a punch and miss deliberately so that my elbow pad goes into their face' technique.

[hossa8181 0]

Horrible example, everyone shed their gear then. Sometimes even the underwear t-shirt.

Remember one thing, and it'll help you understand fights. There's no such thing as a fair fight. That being said, removing an elbow pad has never been considered against 'the code'.

haha. are you saying that probert would take off his jersey and undershirt before fights? that never ever happened so don't just make s*** up to try and win an argument.

[hossa8181 0]

Probert did anything to win. Not a good example.

What exactly did Probert do to win fights? Did he keep a mini baseball bat in his socks or something? Your statement doesnt correlate here.

[newfy 695]

haha. are you saying that probert would take off his jersey and undershirt before fights? that never ever happened so don't just make s*** up to try and win an argument.

People used to lose there shoulder pads and sometimes undershirts in fights. Rob Ray used to sew his shoulder pads to his jersey so they would come off with his jersey to get an advantage. Ditching an elbow pad before a fight isn't a big deal at all and at least he has an argument. You just made some dumb comment about a baseball bat and either took a comment completely out of context on purpose to try to make him look dumb or you're the dumb one and doesn't know what he's talkign about when he would take off his jersey.

[Guest micah]

haha. are you saying that probert would take off his jersey and undershirt before fights? that never ever happened so don't just make s*** up to try and win an argument.

No silly, he wore sweaters that were particularily easy to take off. Not to the extent that Rob Ray did, but getting out of his gear was definately one of the trick's in Probie's book. He didn't tie down until the league mandated it, and even then he didn't always do it. Bob Probert occasionally suckered unsuspecting people, turtled, and ran goalies too. He is one of my alltime fvorites, but he wasn't always squeaky clean on the ice.

[hossa8181 0]

People used to lose there shoulder pads and sometimes undershirts in fights. Rob Ray used to sew his shoulder pads to his jersey so they would come off with his jersey to get an advantage. Ditching an elbow pad before a fight isn't a big deal at all and at least he has an argument. You just made some dumb comment about a baseball bat and either took a comment completely out of context on purpose to try to make him look dumb or you're the dumb one and doesn't know what he's talkign about when he would take off his jersey.

So they didn't take off their gear? The point of the argument. Ok, The end.

Edited September 17, 2009 by hossa8181

[uk_redwing 495]

So they didn't take off there gear? The point of the argument. Ok, The end.

Stop talking now. Ive seen Probert remove his jersey and ALL his pads HIMSELF during a fight several times.

[newfy 695]

Stop talking now. Ive seen Probert remove his jersey and ALL his pads HIMSELF during a fight several times.

Before hossa8181 takes this out of context again, he doesn't mean shin pads he means upper body gear. I just thought I should clarify that considering the smarts you've shown earlier in this thread.

[skacore 2]

Only on a Red Wings message board would people be confused/stunned/insulted about a player removing an elbow pad before a fight, haha

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

Didn't "The Rock" always remove his elbow pad right before he did his finishing move?

[uk_redwing 495]

Didn't "The Rock" always remove his elbow pad right before he did his finishing move?

Good times!

For the funzies cos I went on a youtube adventure:

[hossa8181 0]

Stop talking now. Ive seen Probert remove his jersey and ALL his pads HIMSELF during a fight several times.

You saw Probert take off his jersey and shirt before a fight? you're an idiot if you think that actually happened.

[hossa8181 0]

Only on a Red Wings message board would people be confused/stunned/insulted about a player removing an elbow pad before a fight, haha

You clearly have never been in a fight and possibly never played hockey in your life. Therefore you do not count.

Edited September 18, 2009 by hossa8181

[Guest Shoreline]

Only the usual suspects on a Red Wings message board would people be confused/stunned/insulted about a player removing an elbow pad before a fight, haha

Fixed that to better reflect predictability.

[Guest micah]

Fixed that to better reflect predictability.

Which of those confused/stunned/insulted about a player removing an elbow pad before a fight, are what you'd call "usual suspects"?

[Guest E_S_A_D]

Exhibit A: Probert, losing plenty of gear. A guy that came up with a handle HOSSA in MAY OF 2009, should really not be taken seriously. Why I'm responding to your sub-mediocre post and rhetoric is beyond me. Slow day at work I suppose. Also, it's been scientifically proven that 99.9% of the time my posts create more thread traffic than breaking channel 7 news.

[uk_redwing 495]

You saw Probert take off his jersey and shirt before a fight? you're an idiot if you think that actually happened.

You cant read.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

LOL. Yeah, Lappy "shed gear to win the fight".

I can think of 20,maybe 30 guys that i'd sign before i signed Laperriere if i was looking for a tough guy.

[teebo 22]

You clearly have never been in a fight and possibly never played hockey in your life. Therefore you do not count.

Naming yourself after a ***** means you don't count either. I doubt you ever played hockey too, so go back to figure skating.

Edited September 19, 2009 by teebo

[Guest micah]

I can think of 20,maybe 30 guys that i'd sign before i signed Laperriere if i was looking for a tough guy.

Agreed, Lappy is not a great fighter by any means. you can't question the guy's heart though - he fights as much as anyone, loses most, gets up and does it again. Dude's veins don't pump no Kool Aid (as was once uttered about G. Gordon Liddy ina DC prison - why do I remember that line?)

[newfy 695]

You clearly have never been in a fight and possibly never played hockey in your life. Therefore you do not count.

Everyone is against you here why don't you give up? You clearly have never been in a fight if you don't think players remove their equipment for an advantage. I guarantee you've never been in a hockey fight, probably got your ass kicked in the school yard for some dumb arguments that you didn't win back then either so you're doing it on the computer now so you don't get beat up again.

I'm still playing competitive hockey on 2 teams and I think your argument is just as dumb as everyone else here.

[eva unit zero 271]

Also, it's been scientifically proven that 99.9% of the time my posts create more thread traffic than breaking channel 7 news.

Kind of like how it was scientifically proven that the Earth is at the center of the Universe?

[eva unit zero 271]

Naming yourself after a ***** means you don't count either. I doubt you ever played hockey too, so go back to figure skating.

So his opinion doesn't count because he likes Hossa and you don't?

Or is it his opinion doesn't count because you disagree with it?

For the record, you don't have to play hockey to be knowledgable about hockey. Anyone who uses that argument to try and discredit someone else, such as yourself, most likely has no other argument to resort to in the discussion.

[uk_redwing 495]

So his opinion doesn't count because he likes Hossa and you don't?

Or is it his opinion doesn't count because you disagree with it?

For the record, you don't have to play hockey to be knowledgable about hockey. Anyone who uses that argument to try and discredit someone else, such as yourself, most likely has no other argument to resort to in the discussion.

Is Jiri Hudler going to be playing tonight against Buffalo? THERES STILL A CHANCE HE'LL PLAY!!!!

[eva unit zero 271]

Is Jiri Hudler going to be playing tonight against Buffalo? THERES STILL A CHANCE HE'LL PLAY!!!!

Although it's off topic, I'll still respond to this. If Jiri Hudler were on the roster this year, that would be awesome. I think the chances of it happening is less than 5%... but it would still be awesome assuming the Wings .

The current forward lines are expected to be:

Franzen/Datsyuk/Holmstrom

Cleary/Zetterberg/Bertuzzi

Leino/Filppula/Williams

Eaves/Draper/Maltby

Helm (injured)

Hudler returning this year certainly throws a wrench into that by putting the Wings over the cap by about $2m (with Eaves sent down and Lilja on LTIR) which would require a little bit of roster modification. Below is possible roster modification which might work.

At least to start the season, the NHL roster to keep Hudler and Filppula would look as such if trades were minimized and no NTC players were dealt.

F: Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Franzen/Hudler/Filppula/Bertuzzi/Cleary/Williams/Holmstrom/Draper/Ritola/Eaves. 37 year old, last year of his contract Maltby would be waived and sent to GR to make this work, and may or may not come back up depending on how the season goes.

D: Lidstrom/Rafalski/Kronwall/Stuart/Ericsson/Meech. Lebda would be traded and Lilja would be on LTIR. Another situation that might have to be revisited in the future depending on Lilja's status.

G: Osgood/???. This would mean that Howard either was out of the organization or went back to Grand Rapids and Cloutier or another vet (Marc Denis anyone?) was signed at the league minimum.

Lines to start might be:

Hudler/Zetterberg/Franzen

Cleary/Datsyuk/Holmstrom

Bertuzzi/Filppula/Williams

Ritola/Draper/Eaves

This roster for the first few weeks or even month would still do quite well. If any players were to get injured, the Wings could then work guys like Helm and Leino into their proper spots on the roster. I know it's kind of convoluted, but one option are trading Stuart and deciding whether to put Kindl or Delmore on the roster as a replacement to be sent down when or if Lilja returns. Another option is to deal Holmstrom and send Eaves down, going with 12 forwards and 7 defensemen.

Of course, this is all hypothetical as Hudler almost certainly will NOT be in a Wings uniform this season.