Updates from today's practice

[Jake Ryan 1]

Hmm... let me think about that...

Sweet-- this one will work perfectly!

I believe you can patent some mathematical stuff, for example, mathematical methods of filtering signals are sometimes patented, if I remember correctly.

ACG, I noticed that you don't have Holmstrom on your signature picture. What gives?

[Superman54 91]

Babs is amazing but these lines are not the best the wings can be. Filppula can carry the 2nd line so I don't see why we need to balance our skill with the euro twins split.

[Chonmon 1]

Babs is amazing but these lines are not the best the wings can be. Filppula can carry the 2nd line so I don't see why we need to balance our skill with the euro twins split.

You are all thinking too offensively. If Babs puts the Eurotwins back together our defensive holes will be much larger. Judging by the last two games scoring is not our problem, right? It was mental lapses, and terrible responsibility in our own end. We scored enough to win both games, but our D is friggin awful. I like the tweaks that Babs is doing, there's no sense in rocking the boat too much, let alone gutting the lines and seeing what happens.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Gotta get Eaves in there soon, see if he's worth anything. If not, send him to GR and get May up. Meech for Lebda is a lateral move, nothing big.

[mmamolo 287]

Let's see... this is a bit weird looking because 95% of the mathematical symbols aren't on my keyboard.

Let:

x = Jake Ryan's hate for Holmstrom

y(t) = Holmstrom's hockey skill as a function of t

t = time in years

oo be the closest approximation to the symbol for infinity that I can make on my keyboard

Note: y(t) is a function determined based on a quantitative analysis of Holmer's year by year offensive production, using exel to plot a graph of pts vs year (where his rookie year is 1, his second year is 2, etc) then fitting a function of best fit to it (use a polynomial, with the degree chosen through trial and error) would produce an acceptable function for our purposes. But based on the fact that his production must eventually decline as time increases (by logic), we can simply use a limit to avoid having to find the actual function. The result of this limit is based on logical deduction.

lim y(t) = 0 (logically, a 100+ year old Holmstrom wouldn't produce points in the NHL)

t->oo

x = [y(t)]^-1

lim x = lim [y(t)]^-1

t->oo t->oo

lim x = oo

t->oo

That was a pretty creative post. But I do have one problem with it. Without knowing the actual y, being a function of t, it's a little tough to accept x = lim[y(t)]^-1. You are definitely right that as t approaches oo that x will equal zero but no where do I see how curve/function makes reference to Holmstromg skills at say age 22 being on the rise until say age 32 and then beginning to decline. Considering at at time zero y will equal zero and at time 100 (to reference your example) y shuold also be zero it would be better suited to use a bell shaped curve to represent Holmstrom's ability. The only problem with that is by no means was he at his peak exactly one half way through his life nor would the incline of his ability work at the same rate as his decline. I'd b interested to see what function you gave y

[Hack & Whack Rule! 160]

That was a pretty creative post. But I do have one problem with it. Without knowing the actual y, being a function of t, it's a little tough to accept x = lim[y(t)]^-1. You are definitely right that as t approaches oo that x will equal zero but no where do I see how curve/function makes reference to Holmstromg skills at say age 22 being on the rise until say age 32 and then beginning to decline. Considering at at time zero y will equal zero and at time 100 (to reference your example) y shuold also be zero it would be better suited to use a bell shaped curve to represent Holmstrom's ability. The only problem with that is by no means was he at his peak exactly one half way through his life nor would the incline of his ability work at the same rate as his decline. I'd b interested to see what function you gave y

Hmmm....

[T.Low 1,011]

I'll throw the lines out here that I'd like to see Babs try (these lines include Helm since he's coming back soon)...

Eurotwins Split:

Franzen-Datsyuk-Leino (Franzen playing the net crasher/screen, Leino playing on the boards and retrieving the puck)

Bertuzzi-Zetterberg-Cleary (let them work together a bit more to make up for lost time)

Williams-Filppula-Holmstrom (keep Holmer on the 1st PP, but reduce his overall minutes)

Draper-Helm-Eaves/Maltby

Yes. I really like these lines you have put together. Datsyuk and Leino seem like they would be very dynamic together, which in itself could be lethal, but inturn would also create a lot of opportunities for Franzen.

There would be a similar balance all the way down the top three lines.

[Superman54 91]

You are all thinking too offensively. If Babs puts the Eurotwins back together our defensive holes will be much larger. Judging by the last two games scoring is not our problem, right? It was mental lapses, and terrible responsibility in our own end. We scored enough to win both games, but our D is friggin awful. I like the tweaks that Babs is doing, there's no sense in rocking the boat too much, let alone gutting the lines and seeing what happens.

Datsyuk and Zetterberg have proven how good they can shut opposing teams down when on the same line. Filppula is also proven to be a good 2 way player. If I recall correctly, Filppula was centering the 2nd line in 2008 which was probably the best defensive game Detroit has played in recent time. I'm just saying id like the chance to put things back the way they somewhat were, the way it worked. The redwing players like Filppula, Helm, Kronwall, Ericsson, and Franzen have only become more complete players since then.

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom

Franzen - Filppula - Cleary

Leino - Helm - Bertuzzi

Williams - Draper - Eaves/Maltby

Just my preference

Edited October 8, 2009 by Superman54

[Chonmon 1]

Datsyuk and Zetterberg have proven how good they can shut opposing teams down when on the same line. Filppula is also proven to be a good 2 way player. If I recall correctly, Filppula was centering the 2nd line in 2008 which was probably the best defensive game Detroit has played in recent time. I'm just saying id like the chance to put things back the way they somewhat were, the way it worked. The redwing players like Filppula, Helm, Kronwall, Ericsson, and Franzen have only become more complete players since then.

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom

Franzen - Filppula - Cleary

Leino - Helm - Bertuzzi

Williams - Draper - Eaves/Maltby

Just my preference

Those lines actually aren't bad. I really only have a problem with the Leino/Helm/Bert. Leino has a lot to prove in his own end, and bert... well he's never been too good in his own end. I don't think we could rely solely on Helm to clean up that mess, though he definitely could prove me wrong. Maybe Willie on 3rd line too, b/c he is ok both ways.

3rd line -- Willie-helm-Leino

4th -- Abdel -- Drapes -- Eaves

(Trade Bert)

[Superman54 91]

I think if Bertuzzi plays with Helm, he will be sparked to play with the amount of energy Helm shows.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

That was a pretty creative post. But I do have one problem with it. Without knowing the actual y, being a function of t, it's a little tough to accept x = lim[y(t)]^-1. You are definitely right that as t approaches oo that x will equal zero but no where do I see how curve/function makes reference to Holmstromg skills at say age 22 being on the rise until say age 32 and then beginning to decline. Considering at at time zero y will equal zero and at time 100 (to reference your example) y shuold also be zero it would be better suited to use a bell shaped curve to represent Holmstrom's ability. The only problem with that is by no means was he at his peak exactly one half way through his life nor would the incline of his ability work at the same rate as his decline. I'd b interested to see what function you gave y

I thought about this a bit when I was posting it and I decided it'd be a polynomial approximation based on throwing his stats in a spread sheet but the problem is that his stats are as of yet, incomplete, as well as the fact that he'll retire long before he dies so we'll get an incomplete sample of data if we're taking a limit as t approaches infinity.

I think it's safe to say, however, that as t approaches infinity holmstrom would certainly be producing zero points for quite some time. After all, his production is at zero permanently once he retires, so time is on my side in this case. Based on this I'm sure I can say that the limit of y as t-->infinity is zero. I'm using a more nebulous method here since describing a function of this sort is far from trivial. Still, I'm very confident my final results stand. I can't help but laugh at us talking about a function used to prove that Jake hates Holmstrom, especially after the hot start Homer's had.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I'll throw the lines out here that I'd like to see Babs try (these lines include Helm since he's coming back soon)...

Eurotwins Split:

Franzen-Datsyuk-Leino (Franzen playing the net crasher/screen, Leino playing on the boards and retrieving the puck)

Bertuzzi-Zetterberg-Cleary (let them work together a bit more to make up for lost time)

Williams-Filppula-Holmstrom (keep Holmer on the 1st PP, but reduce his overall minutes)

Draper-Helm-Eaves/Maltby

Yes. I really like these lines you have put together. Datsyuk and Leino seem like they would be very dynamic together, which in itself could be lethal, but inturn would also create a lot of opportunities for Franzen.

There would be a similar balance all the way down the top three lines.

Thanks Too bad Babcock won't return my calls. Talk about an awkward first date-- he ordered the lobster!