For all of the Sammy haters out there

[skyphoenix 153]

Well its quite obvious to me that Samuelsson is going to accumulate more points than Ovechkin this season and win the Hart trophy. Then the NHL will take notice and stop following around Crosby and focus solely on Samuelsson, the worlds greatest.

[Zion 93]

[Broken 16 381]

With tonight's goal (his 4th), Samuelsson is now the Canucks leading goal scorer, and has 7 points in almost 7 games (as i'm writing this, the game is still on), and has a point in every game except one. With the Red Wings struggling to find consistency right now, we certainly could have stood to gain from the nightly production that Sammy is putting up in Vancouver. Maybe now some of you haters who were so glad to see him go should be reconsidering that feeling.

I've managed to catch a couple Vancouver games a la HNIC. Sammy looks really strong. So far Williams is proving to be much more valuable on the power play but I'm glad to see Sammy kicking ass.

[StevieY'sguy 1]

Well its quite obvious to me that Samuelsson is going to accumulate more points than Ovechkin this season and win the Hart trophy. Then the NHL will take notice and stop following around Crosby and focus solely on Samuelsson, the worlds greatest.

Please point out anywhere in my post where i even came close to hinting at anything close to what you are saying. I simply stated that Sammy is having a very good start to the season and that i think we sure could use him. Don't be a moron.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

as others have said, streaky at best - and not worth it to the tune of 3.5 a year.

Where do you come up with this? Of course Sammy isn't worth $3.5, but he was had for $2.5 which is a fair deal for a player of his talent. Sammy may or may not be better than Williams (and if he in fact isn't Kenny atleast saved $1 million), but Vancouver signed him for what he's worth and he's producing, which is what the Wings could use right now. That was the point the OP was trying to make.

[kozac 10]

People always make these topics.... Its only been 7 games. I if remember correctly Aran Voros was putting up big numbers in the first few games for the Rangers last year and they started the season like 10-0 or something, then later on he could barely crack their lineup and the Rangers barely made the playoffs. A couple of years ago, Maxim Afinogenov was leading the league in goals and points through the first 10-15 games. Earlier this year he wasn't sure if he was gonna play in the NHL until crappy Atlanta took a chance on him.

Give it 15-20 games.

[Phazon 24]

Stuart is a good-quality, steady, physical defenseman. He'd be top-pairing on quite a few teams out there. Such defensemen get paid quite a bit of money; his contract is very reasonable.

Stuart made bone head mistakes in game7 vs pens.

[Lamothe 5]

My only issue EVER with Sammy was that he would should the puck from ANYWHERE, and I mean ANYWHERE, whenever he got it. I thought he was a good player, but some of the ridiculous shots he took just drove me mad. The goals he scored were always from spots they should be, and non of his weird blue line shots EVER went in to my knowledge.

But anyway... That was the only frustrating part about him... His stupid, useless, annoying shots from Bum F*ck Egypt.

If he wanted to stay for 2 million, I would've agreed. $2.5 million even... Maybe... But not $3.5 million.

Williams, in my opinion, is a slight upgrade. I did not think this going into the season, but after the preseason and the first few games, I see that Willy has turned his game around in the past few years. Thus, I'm satisfied with Williams for $1.5 mil > Samuelsson for $3.5 mil.

And if we really wanna look into this, let's compare Williams ($1.5 mil) + Bertuzzi ($1.5 mil) = 7 games, 8 points.

To Samuelsson ($3.5 mil) = 7 games, 7 points.

So... Less money technically has produced more points. At least that's the way I see it.

[Lamothe 5]

Stuart made bone head mistakes in game7 vs pens.

Who gives a s***? Doesn't everyone make mistakes? Look at the walking disaster that is Marian Hossa, or Brett Lebda, or Derek Meech.

[Pucks 66]

My only issue EVER with Sammy was that he would should the puck from ANYWHERE, and I mean ANYWHERE, whenever he got it. I thought he was a good player, but some of the ridiculous shots he took just drove me mad. The goals he scored were always from spots they should be, and non of his weird blue line shots EVER went in to my knowledge.

But anyway... That was the only frustrating part about him... His stupid, useless, annoying shots from Bum F*ck Egypt.

If he wanted to stay for 2 million, I would've agreed. $2.5 million even... Maybe... But not $3.5 million.

Williams, in my opinion, is a slight upgrade. I did not think this going into the season, but after the preseason and the first few games, I see that Willy has turned his game around in the past few years. Thus, I'm satisfied with Williams for $1.5 mil > Samuelsson for $3.5 mil.

And if we really wanna look into this, let's compare Williams ($1.5 mil) + Bertuzzi ($1.5 mil) = 7 games, 8 points.

To Samuelsson ($3.5 mil) = 7 games, 7 points.

So... Less money technically has produced more points. At least that's the way I see it.

Are people really this moronic? The guy make 2.5 not 3.5. Got it?

[Phazon 24]

My only issue EVER with Sammy was that he would should the puck from ANYWHERE, and I mean ANYWHERE, whenever he got it. I thought he was a good player, but some of the ridiculous shots he took just drove me mad. The goals he scored were always from spots they should be, and non of his weird blue line shots EVER went in to my knowledge.

But anyway... That was the only frustrating part about him... His stupid, useless, annoying shots from Bum F*ck Egypt.

If he wanted to stay for 2 million, I would've agreed. $2.5 million even... Maybe... But not $3.5 million.

Williams, in my opinion, is a slight upgrade. I did not think this going into the season, but after the preseason and the first few games, I see that Willy has turned his game around in the past few years. Thus, I'm satisfied with Williams for $1.5 mil > Samuelsson for $3.5 mil.

And if we really wanna look into this, let's compare Williams ($1.5 mil) + Bertuzzi ($1.5 mil) = 7 games, 8 points.

To Samuelsson ($3.5 mil) = 7 games, 7 points.

So... Less money technically has produced more points. At least that's the way I see it.

the guy makes $2.5 mil ffs! Get your facts right before you rant.

[Hack & Whack Rule! 160]

My only issue EVER with Sammy was that he would should the puck from ANYWHERE, and I mean ANYWHERE, whenever he got it. I thought he was a good player, but some of the ridiculous shots he took just drove me mad. The goals he scored were always from spots they should be, and non of his weird blue line shots EVER went in to my knowledge.

But anyway... That was the only frustrating part about him... His stupid, useless, annoying shots from Bum F*ck Egypt.

If he wanted to stay for 2 million, I would've agreed. $2.5 million even... Maybe... But not $3.5 million.

Williams, in my opinion, is a slight upgrade. I did not think this going into the season, but after the preseason and the first few games, I see that Willy has turned his game around in the past few years. Thus, I'm satisfied with Williams for $1.5 mil > Samuelsson for $3.5 mil.

And if we really wanna look into this, let's compare Williams ($1.5 mil) + Bertuzzi ($1.5 mil) = 7 games, 8 points.

To Samuelsson ($3.5 mil) = 7 games, 7 points.

So... Less money technically has produced more points. At least that's the way I see it.

Quantity over quality?

[stevkrause 1,247]

I'm sorry, but especially with the way Williams is playing, Holland made the right move.

Sammy only has 2 more points than Williams, Williams is 1000x better defensively and a DRASTIC improvement on the PP point and costs a HELL of a lot less

Williams>Samulesson

Hell, I'd go as far as to say that I'd take Williams over Samuelsson for the same price tag and I think it will stay that way - and you can quote me on that at year's end too.

Edited October 19, 2009 by stevkrause

[gowings38 0]

I'm sorry, but especially with the way Williams is playing, Holland made the right move.

Agreed!

[gowings38 0]

QUOTE (stevkrause @ October 18, 2009 - 12:58AM)

as others have said, streaky at best - and not worth it to the tune of 3.5 a year.

Where do you come up with this? Of course Sammy isn't worth $3.5, but he was had for $2.5 which is a fair deal for a player of his talent. Sammy may or may not be better than Williams (and if he in fact isn't Kenny atleast saved $1 million), but Vancouver signed him for what he's worth and he's producing, which is what the Wings could use right now. That was the point the OP was trying to make.

Why do you have to argue with everyone? How come you need to point out everyone's faults in her/his writing? Can't the OP take care of her/himself?

Edited October 19, 2009 by gowings38

[gowings38 0]

That was the point the OP was trying to make.

Why do you have to argue with everyone? How come you need to point out everyone's faults in her/his writing? Can't the OP take care of her/himself?

[stevkrause 1,247]

as others have said, streaky at best - and not worth it to the tune of 2.5 a year.

EDIT - There, salary corrected.

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[Lamothe 5]

Are people really this moronic? The guy make 2.5 not 3.5. Got it?

I am not a moron.

Samuelsson was ASKING for a raise. Are you that large of a moron to assume that we're all talking about what he made while he was here, and not what he WANTED to make in a new deal to stay here instead of ending up somewhere else?

I stated plainly that I would've loved to have him back for a good price, but nothing crazy.

A simple, "He makes 2.5 million with Vancouver now, not 3.5 million" would've sufficed. I based my info off previous posters. Suppose that was a bad idea.

Edited October 19, 2009 by Lamothe

[Guest Crymson]

Why do you have to argue with everyone? How come you need to point out everyone's faults in her/his writing? Can't the OP take care of her/himself?

Why would you be so passionate about this if you weren't one of the numerous duplicate accounts that people have been making recently?

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I would've loved to have Sammy back but not at that price. A 3 year 6 million dollar deal would be nice for a player of his caliber. Vancouver overpaid just a little bit for him like we did for Stuart. I like Stuart alot because he is our most phyisical d-man but does anyone else think he could've gotten 3.75 a year from any other team? I was thinking he would be signed for a cap hit of 3.25. Holland is a genius but there are a few contracts on our team that made me scratch my head a little bit.

Yes, Stuart could have gotten that same amount or closer to four even.

Rafalski's deal is worse than Stuart's. Stuart has easily been the Red Wings second best defenseman the past two playoff runs.

[RedStormRising 7]

Were there any Sammy haters left at the end of last season? He's a great player (IMO, anyway), its just no one liked him on the point during the PP. I would have loved to have him back.

Speak for yourself.

Never liked him and never saw what he did to make people like him... Like already mentioned, we was too streaky, shot too much, and I just don't think he fit well with the team.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Speak for yourself.

Never liked him and never saw what he did to make people like him... Like already mentioned, we was too streaky, shot too much, and I just don't think he fit well with the team.

He wasn't perfect (logo hunter, terrible running the PP -- although that is mostly Mike's fault for continuing to put him out there), but for the money he was making and for the number of huge goals he scored for the Wings in big games, he deserves to be well-liked at the least.

[Carman 387]

Classic case of a decent player getting paid more then he deserves because he fills a role another team needs more. That's it. I didn't love Sammy, but he was definitely a serviceable player a scored some key goals, fit our system well and hope the best for him as a Canuck, he still won't help them get passed the 2nd round though.

[stevkrause 1,247]

Classic case of a decent player getting paid more then he deserves because he fills a role another team needs more. That's it. I didn't love Sammy, but he was definitely a serviceable player a scored some key goals, fit our system well and hope the best for him as a Canuck, he still won't help them get passed the 2nd round though.

this pretty much sums it up perfectly.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

QUOTE (stevkrause @ October 18, 2009 - 12:58AM)

as others have said, streaky at best - and not worth it to the tune of 3.5 a year.

Where do you come up with this? Of course Sammy isn't worth $3.5, but he was had for $2.5 which is a fair deal for a player of his talent. Sammy may or may not be better than Williams (and if he in fact isn't Kenny atleast saved $1 million), but Vancouver signed him for what he's worth and he's producing, which is what the Wings could use right now. That was the point the OP was trying to make.

Why do you have to argue with everyone? How come you need to point out everyone's faults in her/his writing? Can't the OP take care of her/himself?

The post I replied to stated information that didn't make for a fair assessment between the two players. Sammy making $3.5 compared to Williams making $1.5 is quite a different argument than Sammy making $2.5 compared to Willy making $1.5. stevekrause then cleared up his statement and I can understand his assessment. Why don't you let stevekrause take care of himself, just like you're asking me to let the OP take care of himself?

I don't argue with everyone. Besides that, why don't I have the right to post in a thread where I don't agree with an individual's post? Sure the OP can take care of her/himself, I'm just stating my opinion which is the whole point of a *discussion board.*