Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I think I'd rather have Tatar hang out in the AHL for another year. Not too mention Kariya and Jokinen wouldn't come ot this team to get third lin minutes. So unless Lidstrom, Draper, maltby, and holmstrom all retire and either kronners or Raf or Stu are traded, there'd be no way we could afford that roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I think I'd rather have Tatar hang out in the AHL for another year. That depends on a few things: 1. How he finishes his year in GR. Does he get better over time, stay consistent or does he hit the wall? 2. How he plays in any call-ups this year (if he gets them) 3. How he plays in training camp next year 4. How he plays in the pre-season next year If he looks like an NHL player in the situations above there will probably be a spot for him in Detroit next season. They do like their prospects over-ripe, so it's not a sure thing, but he'll get a chance to play his game during camp and the pre-season so he can make it impossible for Kenny to send him back down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Well, let's hope that Kenny doesn't have a nastalgia fest this summer and resign all of our has-beens. Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Helm-Datsyuk-Tatar Kariya-Filppula-Jokinen Abdelkader-Draper-Ritolla Helm on the second line while Kariya and Jokinen are on the 3rd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 That depends on a few things: 1. How he finishes his year in GR. Does he get better over time, stay consistent or does he hit the wall? 2. How he plays in any call-ups this year (if he gets them) 3. How he plays in training camp next year 4. How he plays in the pre-season next year If he looks like an NHL player in the situations above there will probably be a spot for him in Detroit next season. They do like their prospects over-ripe, so it's not a sure thing, but he'll get a chance to play his game during camp and the pre-season so he can make it impossible for Kenny to send him back down. I'd hate it if the Red Wings ever got a prospect like Sidney Crosby. He'd spend 3 years down in Grand Rapids while Holmstrom and Maltby played til they were 47 years old. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I'd hate it if the Red Wings ever got a prospect like Sidney Crosby. He'd spend 3 years down in Grand Rapids while Holmstrom and Maltby played til they were 47 years old. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Holland's going to pick a kid 1st overall and send him to GR for 3 years even though he's ready to dominate in the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I'd hate it if the Red Wings ever got a prospect like Sidney Crosby. He'd spend 3 years down in Grand Rapids while Holmstrom and Maltby played til they were 47 years old. Umm the Red Wing's have never had a player of Crosby's caliber. And the one's that are close (Zetterberg, Datsyuk) spent no time in the minors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Umm the Red Wing's have never had a player of Crosby's caliber. And the one's that are close (Zetterberg, Datsyuk) spent no time in the minors. Yes they have. Counting only guys since the 80's: Yzerman, Fedorov and Lidstrom. Those players either walked into the NHL right away or they walked in as soon as they could escape the USSR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Yeah, that totally makes sense. Holland's going to pick a kid 1st overall and send him to GR for 3 years even though he's ready to dominate in the NHL. I just don't like this whole "let's make sure we over-ripen him" attitude the Wings have with their prospects. We over-ripened Kopecky for 5 years. We over-ripened Fischer. Ericsson is 25 years old already. Get these kids up and let them ripen in a Wings sweater. Out with the old has-beens, in with the new will-bes. I don't want to watch Maltby and Holmstrom anymore. I want to watch Tatar and Kindl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Yes they have. Counting only guys since the 80's: Yzerman, Fedorov and Lidstrom. Those players either walked into the NHL right away or they walked in as soon as they could escape the USSR. I was refering to Holland's reign as GM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I was refering to Holland's reign as GM. Then you should probably make that clear in the original post. Just imagine if Yzerman read that post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I just don't like this whole "let's make sure we over-ripen him" attitude the Wings have with their prospects. We over-ripened Kopecky for 5 years. We over-ripened Fischer. Ericsson is 25 years old already. Get these kids up and let them ripen in a Wings sweater. Out with the old has-beens, in with the new will-bes. I don't want to watch Maltby and Holmstrom anymore. I want to watch Tatar and Kindl. Good luck winning games, and have fun watching Kindl search for a map so he can find out where he should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) Then you should probably make that clear in the original post. Just imagine if Yzerman read that post. Well I think Crosby is going to end up higher on the All-Time list then Yzerman anyways... Probably just about over Gordie as 4th all time. Edited December 1, 2009 by Carman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I just don't like this whole "let's make sure we over-ripen him" attitude the Wings have with their prospects. We over-ripened Kopecky for 5 years. We over-ripened Fischer. Ericsson is 25 years old already. Get these kids up and let them ripen in a Wings sweater. Out with the old has-beens, in with the new will-bes. I don't want to watch Maltby and Holmstrom anymore. I want to watch Tatar and Kindl. Ericsson should've been in Detroit for 82 games last season, you're right there. He was a victim of the salary cap and the team's log-jam on defense. Holland said at the start of last season that he wouldn't bring Ericsson up unless there was a spot for him on one of the top three pairs. While he didn't mind leaving Meech to rot as the 7th man he was clear that he didn't want to do that with Ericsson because it would stall his development. Once a spot opened up full time they kept Ericsson in Detroit for the final 23 games last season. As far as Kopecky is concerned I'm sure he deserved to be left in the minors for as long as he was. After all, he proved to be utterly useless as an NHL player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I just don't like this whole "let's make sure we over-ripen him" attitude the Wings have with their prospects. We over-ripened Kopecky for 5 years. We over-ripened Fischer. Ericsson is 25 years old already. Get these kids up and let them ripen in a Wings sweater. Out with the old has-beens, in with the new will-bes. I don't want to watch Maltby and Holmstrom anymore. I want to watch Tatar and Kindl. Kopecky is terrible, we kept him down as long as possible until he was no longer waiver exempt. Fischer spent 7 games in the AHL his first year and 18 his second season and played in over 100 NHL games his first two years as a pro and never played another game in the minors after that... Ericsson was a forward when we drafted him and he had to get acclimated to defense before he could ever play here. And he still shows rookie mistakes constantly on his positioning since he is so new at defense. If you want to watch Kindl and tatr...go to a Griffins game or watch them online. Everyone will tell you that kindl is NOT ready for the NHL, and Tatar needs to put on 10-25 pounds before he'll be ready for the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Well I think Crosby is going to end up higher on the All-Time list then Yzerman anyways... Probably just about over Gordie as 4th all time. Yzerman is 6th all-time in scoring. The only players to have a higher scoring season than him were Mario and Gretzky. At this point it's retarded to think Crosby's going to end up higher up than Yzerman. Fedorov started his career as hot as Crosby and was just as dominant as Crosby's been so far. Were does Fedorov sit on the all-time list? You've got to be the best for a long, long time to get up there. We'll see where Crosby ends up. Lastly, to guess that Crosby would end up higher than Gordie Howe is insane. You think Crosby will score more than 800 goals? Howe was arguably the greatest player in the history of the game. He was the Babe Ruth of hockey. It's sacrilege to say he'll be surpassed by a 22 year old kid who's yet to prove his long-term greatness. Plus, if Crosby pushes himself that high that means Ovechkin and possibly Malkin will be even higher up on the all time list. Look at his performance relative to Ovi and Malkin in each of the years he's been in the league-- it's absurd to imply he'll be higher than either of them all-time when he's only outperformed Ovechkin one of his 4 years in the league and he only outperformed Malkin in Evgeni's rookie season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Kopecky is terrible, we kept him down as long as possible until he was no longer waiver exempt. Fischer spent 7 games in the AHL his first year and 18 his second season and played in over 100 NHL games his first two years as a pro and never played another game in the minors after that... Ericsson was a forward when we drafted him and he had to get acclimated to defense before he could ever play here. And he still shows rookie mistakes constantly on his positioning since he is so new at defense. If you want to watch Kindl and tatr...go to a Griffins game or watch them online. Everyone will tell you that kindl is NOT ready for the NHL, and Tatar needs to put on 10-25 pounds before he'll be ready for the NHL. Ericsson was definitely ready to be an NHL defenseman last season. His play the previous year in GR and during his call-up the previous year were ample evidence of that. As far as his rookie mistakes go-- he does them no more often than any other rookie d-man. Do you remember how horrifyingly bad Kronwall was defensively for 3 years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Yzerman is 6th all-time in scoring. The only players to have a higher scoring season than him were Mario and Gretzky. At this point it's retarded to think Crosby's going to end up higher up than Yzerman. Fedorov started his career as hot as Crosby and was just as dominant as Crosby's been so far. Were does Fedorov sit on the all-time list? You've got to be the best for a long, long time to get up there. We'll see where Crosby ends up. Lastly, to guess that Crosby would end up higher than Gordie Howe is insane. You think Crosby will score more than 800 goals? Howe was arguably the greatest player in the history of the game. He was the Babe Ruth of hockey. It's sacrilege to say he'll be surpassed by a 22 year old kid who's yet to prove his long-term greatness. Plus, if Crosby pushes himself that high that means Ovechkin and possibly Malkin will be even higher up on the all time list. Look at his performance relative to Ovi and Malkin in each of the years he's been in the league-- it's absurd to imply he'll be higher than either of them all-time when he's only outperformed Ovechkin one of his 4 years in the league and he only outperformed Malkin in Evgeni's rookie season. Not talking about purely numbers. Just overall dominance of their era. Bobby Orr is #1 for instance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Why does Tatar need to add on 25 pounds, yet Leino doesn't? Leino gets pushed around like a lawnmower out there, but noone's talking about him needing to add 25 pounds to keep his roster spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Why does Tatar need to add on 25 pounds, yet Leino doesn't? Leino gets pushed around like a lawnmower out there, but noone's talking about him needing to add 25 pounds to keep his roster spot. Leino is much older, and is big enough. He is just soft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Not talking about purely numbers. Just overall dominance of their era. Bobby Orr is #1 for instance. Well in that case he's still got a ways to go. Regardless, this should be about Tatar. Sorry to pull you off topic even more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Well in that case he's still got a ways to go. Regardless, this should be about Tatar. Sorry to pull you off topic even more Haha, sorry for getting you riled up. Anyways Tatar will pass Gordie up surely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Why does Tatar need to add on 25 pounds, yet Leino doesn't? Leino gets pushed around like a lawnmower out there, but noone's talking about him needing to add 25 pounds to keep his roster spot. They ought to put him on whatever plan they have for Tatar and see what happens. Leino needs to put on a bit of weight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Haha, sorry for getting you riled up. Anyways Tatar will pass Gordie up surely. No problem. Nothing would make me happier than to have Tatar become a mega star for this team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 No problem. Nothing would make me happier than to have Tatar become a mega star for this team Do we need to add a "T2" to your moniker, ACG? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Do we need to add a "T2" to your moniker, ACG? That would imply that I'll be back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
