Bizarre Play

[MacK_Attack 108]

A strange series of events in tonight's Leafs/Penguins game.

Tied 1-1 in the 2nd, Pittsburgh was on the powerplay. Gonchar gets a shot off from the point, which hits the right post, then off the back post (in the net) and out. Nobody realizes it's in and the play continues. A few seconds later, Alexei Ponikarovsky gets hooked on a breakaway and is awarded a penalty shot.

At that point, they get the call from upstairs and realize that Pittsburgh has a goal. Because you can't have two goals on a single play, the Leafs have the penalty shot taken away from them and instead get a 2:00 powerplay (Gonchar for hooking), on which they fail to score.

Never seen anything like that before.

[esteef 2,679]

Crazy events resulting in Pittsburgh's benefit? I don't believe it!!

esteef

Edited January 10, 2010 by esteef

[Miller Brew 0]

Leafs got boned with a lot of bad calls too. One sided game.

[Z and D for the C 712]

I wish one of our players could score a goal like that Crosby goal.

[zettie85 106]

Can't be two goals in one play. Yet Gonchar can have a goal and a penalty on the same play. I know there are ways to get a goal and a penalty on the same play, but should Gonchar have actually gotten a penalty? If the whole play after the goal is erased, how does he still get a penalty?

[oldredbarnman 13]

A strange series of events in tonight's Leafs/Penguins game.

Tied 1-1 in the 2nd, Pittsburgh was on the powerplay. Gonchar gets a shot off from the point, which hits the right post, then off the back post (in the net) and out. Nobody realizes it's in and the play continues. A few seconds later, Alexei Ponikarovsky gets hooked on a breakaway and is awarded a penalty shot.

At that point, they get the call from upstairs and realize that Pittsburgh has a goal. Because you can't have two goals on a single play, the Leafs have the penalty shot taken away from them and instead get a 2:00 powerplay (Gonchar for hooking), on which they fail to score.

Never seen anything like that before.

And to add insult to injury, Gonchar scores right after he gets out of the box. I'm sorry, but that's an asinine rule. He should've been given the penalty shot. So what if there are two goals at the same time on the scoresheet, he should've at least been given the chance.

[oldredbarnman 13]

Can't be two goals in one play. Yet Gonchar can have a goal and a penalty on the same play. I know there are ways to get a goal and a penalty on the same play, but should Gonchar have actually gotten a penalty? If the whole play after the goal is erased, how does he still get a penalty?

I totally agree.

[Miller Brew 0]

It seems like the clock should reset to the goal and everything that happen in play after the goal goes null and void. Crazy rules.

[ben_usmc 253]

as said before it's shocking the Pens had a call go there way, FINALLY!!!!! f*** YOU BETTMAN

[Dano33 41]

Can't be two goals in one play. Yet Gonchar can have a goal and a penalty on the same play. I know there are ways to get a goal and a penalty on the same play, but should Gonchar have actually gotten a penalty? If the whole play after the goal is erased, how does he still get a penalty?

Think about it, if Gonchar had high sticked and cut Ponikarovski after the original shot went in they certainly wouldn't just act like it never happened.

[Konnan511 1,736]

Think about it, if Gonchar had high sticked and cut Ponikarovski after the original shot went in they certainly wouldn't just act like it never happened.

The goal would count and no penalty would happen since you can't be called for a high stick for a follow-through on a shot.

[Konnan511 1,736]

It seems like the clock should reset to the goal and everything that happen in play after the goal goes null and void. Crazy rules.

That's what i thought happened as well.

[MacK_Attack 108]

Can't be two goals in one play. Yet Gonchar can have a goal and a penalty on the same play. I know there are ways to get a goal and a penalty on the same play, but should Gonchar have actually gotten a penalty? If the whole play after the goal is erased, how does he still get a penalty?

The whole play isn't erased anymore, like it used to be. The only remnants of that rule is that there can still only be one goal on a play.

The clock doesn't get set back to the time of the goal any longer, anything that happens from the goal until the stoppage of play still counts (penalties, hits, shots, etc.) unless there's a goal.

Makes no sense. Everything or nothing.

[Dano33 41]

The goal would count and no penalty would happen since you can't be called for a high stick for a follow-through on a shot.

Not what I meant, i was talking about any random high stick, not on the follow through.

[The Mule 0]

Watched the game with my friends. Definitely a strange play.

[edicius 3,269]

The whole play isn't erased anymore, like it used to be. The only remnants of that rule is that there can still only be one goal on a play.

The clock doesn't get set back to the time of the goal any longer, anything that happens from the goal until the stoppage of play still counts (penalties, hits, shots, etc.) unless there's a goal.

Makes no sense. Everything or nothing.

Ah, I thought the whole play got erased, in which case I was wondering why the Leafs would even get a PP in the first place.

Now, knowing that...Leafs got screwed. Big surprise...Pittsburgh is the beneficiary.

[Third Man In 2,091]

The whole play isn't erased anymore, like it used to be. The only remnants of that rule is that there can still only be one goal on a play.

The clock doesn't get set back to the time of the goal any longer, anything that happens from the goal until the stoppage of play still counts (penalties, hits, shots, etc.) unless there's a goal.

Makes no sense. Everything or nothing.

Imagine this happening at the end of a game--game's tied 2-2, clock runs out, and then there's a review before OT and they find out there was a goal scored two or three minutes ago (assuming no stoppage in play in between). So the game's over, 3-2.

Bettman rules.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

The whole play isn't erased anymore, like it used to be. The only remnants of that rule is that there can still only be one goal on a play.

The clock doesn't get set back to the time of the goal any longer, anything that happens from the goal until the stoppage of play still counts (penalties, hits, shots, etc.) unless there's a goal.

Makes no sense. Everything or nothing.

I hadn't realized they made that rule change, because I know it used to be that they reset the clock and essentially erased everything after the goal.

My only guess is it's another stupid ass rule in hopes to increase scoring, even if it makes absolutely no sense.

[Third Man In 2,091]

I hadn't realized they made that rule change, because I know it used to be that they reset the clock and essentially erased everything after the goal.

My only guess is it's another stupid ass rule in hopes to increase scoring, even if it makes absolutely no sense.

Except it can't possibly lead to more goals, only less goals by making it impossible to score a goal for part of a game.

[zettie85 106]

The whole play isn't erased anymore, like it used to be. The only remnants of that rule is that there can still only be one goal on a play.

The clock doesn't get set back to the time of the goal any longer, anything that happens from the goal until the stoppage of play still counts (penalties, hits, shots, etc.) unless there's a goal.

Makes no sense. Everything or nothing.

The clock does get set back. Gonchars shot was at 14:44 and his penalty was also handed out as being at 14:44. It's definitely a cluster f*** when it comes to what chnages and what stays the same though. haha

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Except it can't possibly lead to more goals, only less goals by making it impossible to score a goal for part of a game.

Good point.

I hadn't factored in that they don't reset the clock. Otherwise I figured keeping the penalty was a lame attempt at trying to increase scoring. so you could have the original goal, reset the clock, and keep the penalty so someone gets a powerplay. So Bettman gets the best of all worlds. Increased scoring and increased ref influence on the game.

But if they don't reset the clock then I have no idea what the thinking is, other than to get the game with over faster. It makes no friggin sense.

[Third Man In 2,091]

zettie85's right. From rule 78.6:

When a team scores an apparent goal that is not seen by the on-ice officials and play continues, the play shall be reviewed by the Video Goal Judge at the next stoppage of play. If the goal is confirmed by video review, the clock is re-set to the time the goal was scored. If the goal is not confirmed by video review, no adjustment is required to the clock time.

[...]

Any penalties signaled during the period of time between the apparent goal and the next stoppage of play shall be assessed in the normal manner, except when a minor penalty is to be assessed to the team scored upon, and is therefore nullified by the scoring of the goal. If an infraction happens after the first stoppage of play following an apparent goal (infraction after the whistle) by either team, it is assessed and served in the normal manner regardless as to the decision rendered by the Video Goal Judge.

Edit: Which means you're right too, harold

Edited January 10, 2010 by Third Man In

[Z and D for the C 712]

I thought I've heard Ken & Mick say that the clock would be set to when the goal was scored?

[Vladiator 116]

I hadn't realized they made that rule change, because I know it used to be that they reset the clock and essentially erased everything after the goal.

My only guess is it's another stupid ass rule in hopes to increase scoring, even if it makes absolutely no sense.

Yes, very strange. I was watching the game live when that happened. When they came back from the commercial break and showed that the Pens had scored, I figured that they would reset the clock back to the time of the goal. I guess if the ensuing play resulted in a major or double minor then a penalty could be enforced, but really on a hooking penalty that shouldn't have even been penalized as a penalty shot?

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

The whole play isn't erased anymore, like it used to be. The only remnants of that rule is that there can still only be one goal on a play.

The clock doesn't get set back to the time of the goal any longer, anything that happens from the goal until the stoppage of play still counts (penalties, hits, shots, etc.) unless there's a goal.

Makes no sense. Everything or nothing.

Pretty sure they set the clock back.