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Instead of Overeacting educate yourself on the Facts of Ott's Goal

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I just watched the replay of the no-goal (and the ensuing review), and I did not see any other official on the ice signaling goal, the only one who signaled anything was Martel, and his face was about 3 feet from the puck, so the only thing that should be able to overturn his no goal call would be conclusive video evidence showing that the puck had completely crossed the goal line, which none of the FSN broadcast angles could do. We are never going to get the full explanation of what happened and who ultimately made the decision to allow the goal, and that quite frankly reeks of impropriety. I am not jaded enough to believe that there is a conspiracy against the Wings at any level, but the fact is that officiating has been very inconsistent and downright awful this season, and the league has made it abundantly clear on multiple occasions that they have no intention of holding the refs accountable. All it would take would be for someone to come out and say "OK, we reviewed the play and the referee made the wrong call, and he will be fined/suspended or disciplined in some fashion, but instead the league turns a blind eye, and when someone has the guts to call them on it (i.e. Burrows), they fine the player and sweep the controversy under the rug. The refs are human, they do make mistakes, and as with any other place of employment, any mistakes need to be acted upon, incompetence should not be tolerated, and corruption and personal agendas have no place in any job that is supposed to be impartial and unbiased.

/rant

P.S. regardless of the actual explanation of what occurred, the fact remains that the wrong call was made and it is not "overreacting" to point that out and voice displeasure about it.

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wow that ruling is BS! but how bout the fact we don't score enough or let these ******* teams back into the game to tie it up so it goes into OT or the fact you have to ******* score in the ******* goddamn shootout!! not one of our star forwards could score a single goal one on one with a goalie. <_< WTF?

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Just thought I'd make this thread to clear up some confusion on Ott's goal so idiots don't freak out at the wrong thing.

Ott's shot was waved off by the Ref, BUT was ruled a goal by the linesmen. Because of this the Warroom had to have CONCLUSIVE PROOF of the puck NOT CROSSING THE LINE, rather than vice versa which we are more accustomed to seeing.

The linesmen got the wrong call, but due to it they actually followed procedure. Blame the linesmen not the War room. I personally think the procedure is f***ed up, but thats for you to decide on your own.

I am not defending the call and saying it is right, merely pointing the blame in the right direction.

Carry on LGW.

Agreed, and I do think we got screwed but the ignorance in this forum is horrific.

and you couldn't post this in one of the other 5 threads that was posted about this? and we are the idiots? hahahaha

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I just watched the replay of the no-goal (and the ensuing review), and I did not see any other official on the ice signaling goal, the only one who signaled anything was Martel, and his face was about 3 feet from the puck, so the only thing that should be able to overturn his no goal call would be conclusive video evidence showing that the puck had completely crossed the goal line, which none of the FSN broadcast angles could do. We are never going to get the full explanation of what happened and who ultimately made the decision to allow the goal, and that quite frankly reeks of impropriety. I am not jaded enough to believe that there is a conspiracy against the Wings at any level, but the fact is that officiating has been very inconsistent and downright awful this season, and the league has made it abundantly clear on multiple occasions that they have no intention of holding the refs accountable. All it would take would be for someone to come out and say "OK, we reviewed the play and the referee made the wrong call, and he will be fined/suspended or disciplined in some fashion, but instead the league turns a blind eye, and when someone has the guts to call them on it (i.e. Burrows), they fine the player and sweep the controversy under the rug. The refs are human, they do make mistakes, and as with any other place of employment, any mistakes need to be acted upon, incompetence should not be tolerated, and corruption and personal agendas have no place in any job that is supposed to be impartial and unbiased.

/rant

P.S. regardless of the actual explanation of what occurred, the fact remains that the wrong call was made and it is not "overreacting" to point that out and voice displeasure about it.

:clap: Excellent post! I couldn't agree more!

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The blame on this one lies solely with the administration of the NHL. When all the rules are as funky as they are, bad s*** is going to happen. The ref that was right on the doorstep should have had the only say. If a linesman thinks he sees it differently, they should discuss it, then refer to Toronto if necessary. Buttman has turned this league into the laughingstock of pro sports. He has allowed human error, bad judgement, extreme bias, and complete incompetence to dictate the outcome of most of the games.

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No other ref nor linesman called that a goal except for the ref on the goal line said no goal.

The people reviewing the goal in Toronto f***ed up royally bottom line. The replay showed 1 angle of the puck on the line and no other video showed the puck going in.

Video review screwed up. :ranting:

Edited by YzerPucks19

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I don't want to hear any crying about "ZOMG THE REFEREES INTENTIONALLY WANT THE RED WINGS TO LOSE" blah blah blah, but they played a much bigger part in the outcome of this game than they needed to obviously. Did not do a good job today.

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Guest Howard He Do It?!
No other ref nor linesman called that a goal except for the ref on the goal line said no goal.

The people reviewing the goal in Toronto f***ed up royally bottom line. The replay showed 1 angle of the puck on the line and no other video showed the puck going in.

Video review screwed up. :ranting:

It was not video review that overturned the call. In fact it was Leggo that overturned the no goal call that Martell initially made.

According to Larry Murphy, Leggo and a linesman overruled Martell's call before the refs spoke to the front office in Toronto...

MLive

Toronto screwed up by not reversing the good goal call.

Edited by Howard He Do It?!

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It was not video review that overturned the call. In fact it was Leggo that overturned the no goal call that Martell initially made.

MLive

Toronto screwed up by not reversing the good goal call.

So why have Refs if a linesman is allowed to call and over rule a Ref.

Refs have the last say in a goal after they reviewed it, no way in hell can or should a lineman be given final say. Then just have 2 linesman do game. Ridiculous

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So why have Refs if a linesman is allowed to call and over rule a Ref.

Refs have the last say in a goal after they reviewed it, no way in hell can or should a lineman be given final say. Then just have 2 linesman do game. Ridiculous

It wasn't just a linesman. Leggo was the trailing ref and he believed it to be a good goal, as did a linesman. Leggo thought it was a goal and he had a linesman to back him up. Martell must have just given way to them.

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It wasn't just a linesman. Leggo was the trailing ref and he believed it to be a good goal, as did a linesman. Leggo thought it was a goal and he had a linesman to back him up. Martell must have just given way to them.

What the NHL is missing more then anything is plain common sense. That is all.

Common sense could solve so many problems. Who was in the best position. Common sense would say Martel. Ok let's take Martel's "no goal" call and try and over turn that.

It seems like that would be the most common sense thing to do but that's just me.

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The whole system is flawed. Just the fact that a ref who is so on top of the play he nearly clocks the post with his head can be overruled by a linesman and another ref 30+ feet from the play makes zero sense. On top of it, I thought the best angle of the goal provided conclusive evidence that it was, indeed, NOT a goal.

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If only they'd disagreed to the extent that they had least had a clenched-jawed hissy out there on the ice. It sure as hell would have been a consistent follow-through as refs who'd lost all cred anyway.

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What the NHL is missing more then anything is plain common sense. That is all.

Common sense could solve so many problems. Who was in the best position. Common sense would say Martel. Ok let's take Martel's "no goal" call and try and over turn that.

It seems like that would be the most common sense thing to do but that's just me.

As we have seen, the NHL and common sense don't get along very well. The decision should have defaulted to Martell for the simple fact that he was the closest to the play and in the best position to make the call. Leggo messed up royally and Toronto bailed him out with an "inconclusive" call. I'd like to know what Leggo said to Martell in order to get him to go back on his original call.

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This whole thread is way more uppity than it needs to be. We sure as hell over-reacted when it happened. I, for one, turned the game off when the goal was called good and didn't know about all the stuff that hit the fan afterwards.

I don't agree at all that that most of the discussion showed how ignorant we can be as fans. As the original thread moved along we managed to educate ourselves quite well as posters filled in bits of information, thankyouverymuch.

So if you haven't stepped off your soapbox yet, you might want to consider doing that now.

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The OP says it isn't the War rooms fault. Yet I have seen the replay and when slowed down and zoomed in there is conclusive evidence that it is no goal. Regardless who overturned the original call the War room had sufficient evidence in my opinion to overturn the call(not to mention the HNIC panels').

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So basically, Mike Leggo just convinced one of the linesmen to play "Let's Screw The Wings Again".

No accountability. No ******* accountability.

If I constantly made mistakes like that in my job, I would be fired pretty damn quickly.

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Anymore, its not about the refs screwing up. Fans want communication and accountability. In this instance, a simple explanation of "the no goal signal has been overturned by commitee decision and the play is under review to determine if the puck did not cross the line" could help fans understand what is going on. A simple lack of communication. And the other issue is accountability. Fans are tired of leagues who trot out the tired excuse "we trust our officials to make the right call in the heat of the moment, blah, blah, blah." Fans want people to say "hey, we made a mistake." The notion that the refs are infallible is nonsense. If fan Joe Sixpack makes a mistake at work, his boss doesn't say he made the right call, he tells him he screwed up. Most likely reprimanding him, or at worst firing him. If refs continue to go unscathed for their actions and are portrayed as infallible the league will lose touch with its fans and reality.

And, in closing, people bitching is not going to get us an extra point. It will not get us a win.The league won't go back in time and change anything. Take off your tinfoil hats and enjoy the game. Focus on the fact that the Red Wings put themselves in an unfavorable situation. Not on how the refs "screwed us." Rant if you want to, if it makes you feel better.

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What the refs say or not, the video should prove whether it's a goal or it. The puck clearly wasn't in, and the right call could not have been made because some idiot ref 20 feet out.

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The NHL could make it real easy by changing the rules/policies. The linesman are not to be able to make any determination or add any opinion on whether there was a goal or no goal. The call by the official closest to the play will stand as the official ruling on the ice unless otherwise proven by video review. A simple fix, IMO.

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