1/19 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Capitals 3

[commadore183 103]

So whats your point?

Both got ripped by the fans here for bad plays in the regular season but loved by the fans in the playoffs, maybe? Or has more credibility than Howard?

EDIT: Now that I think about it, maybe the mods should block all postings for about 5 minutes so that the posters here can chill out and not flame everyone that has contrarian views to theirs.

Edited January 20, 2010 by commadore183

[Guest lilja4mvp]

ridiculous? a five hole should be a pretty easy shot to save and somehow he cant even save that

are you drunk? you don't seem to be following this very well.

1. "cr00d" posts this:

Wings lose, and though in no way was it Ozzie's fault, I'm almost 100% sure we win this game if Howie's in net.

2. i post this:

"not ozzie's fault in any way whatsoever, but if our rookie slated-to-be-backup goaltender played, we would have won!"

i thought it was pretty clear that i was mocking his retarded statement that ozzie was somehow not to blame but we would have won if howard played...but i threw in a LULZ pic just for good measure.

3. you start telling me how howard would stop 5-hole goals (?)

so in summary: stop posting.

[stuck in socal 56]

So if the Kings win tonight this season is over for the Red Wings. Why don't the wings just forfeit all their games and rest up for next year?

[sixer 37]

5 Hole!

[Guest Howard He Do It?!]

So if the Kings win tonight this season is over for the Red Wings. Why don't the wings just forfeit all their games and rest up for next year?

Did anyone say that? No. What is being said is that the Wings cannot keep giving away games with their 2 minute lapses in judgment and they cannot keep relying on the fact that injured players will be back. The Wings need to win regardless of injury status.

[Marty Barry 230]

So whats your point?

All the Ozzie debating going on. How can you debate? He's not over the hill, not performing terribly, and has always been doubted. He has taken us to 3 Finals and won 2, yet every year people (DRW fans) say he sucks and call for his head. He's just a playoff performer, plain and simple. He should be encased in glass and labeled "break glass only in the event of playoffs." I give him his props.

[Guest Howard He Do It?!]

All the Ozzie debating going on. How can you debate? He's not over the hill, not performing terribly, and has always been doubted. He has taken us to 3 Finals and won 2, yet every year people (DRW fans) say he sucks and call for his head. He's just a playoff performer, plain and simple. He should be encased in glass and labeled "break glass only in the event of playoffs." I give him his props.

You need to win in the regular season to make the playoffs. That requires Ozzie to be more than just a playoff performer. Jimmy cannot play 82 games.

[stuck in socal 56]

Did anyone say that? No. What is being said is that the Wings cannot keep giving away games with their 2 minute lapses in judgment and they cannot keep relying on the fact that injured players will be back. The Wings need to win regardless of injury status.

That may not be WHAT you are thinking but the majority of the board seems to be thinking it is mathematically impossible for the Wings to make the playoffs. I mean I would understand if we were like Edmonton status right now, but we are so close to being in 5th or 6th place.

[puckbags 863]

A little reminder for the Ozzie bashers on here:

Last start was December 20th, 2009. .

And based on his performance tonight his next one might be Feb 20th, Howard has played well enough and earned the top job, Ozzie has earned the right to play once a month. I love the guy and he's done a lot of great things for this team but he is easily the 2nd best goalie on this team right now !

[BlueMonk 102]

It's been a while since the Wings dominated a game and failed to get a point out of it. It's just like old times.

A couple of mistakes cost the team. I fault the failure of the PP, the inability to finish on rebounds (they miss Homer and Franzen) and a stupid offensive zone penalty by Bertuzzi the most.

[Vladifan 680]

Mantra of a staunch Ozzie defender: Ignore weak 5-hole goal and attack those who say so.

Mantra of a staunch Ozzie hater: Ignore the fact that we had 51 shots on goal and got two out of them; Ignore the fact that there were very stupid penalties taken by players who should know better; Ignore the fact that we could not capitalize on four power plays. Ignore the fact that Stuart got played royally two feet from the goal. Ignore the fact that the third goal was a deflection. Ignore the fact that THERE ARE FIVE FRICKEN PLAYERS OUT ON THE ICE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. NOT ONE.

Attack? Hell, no because I know it would do no good whatsoever. You all have blinders on and you, for whatever reason, IGNORE the whole game and zero in on the goalie. In this case and once again, OZZIE. But honestly? I cannot even yet believe the fact that many of you refuse to take in the whole game when you start laying it on ONE player. It is beyond me. And that's a fact.

[Guest Howard He Do It?!]

That may not be WHAT you are thinking but the majority of the board seems to be thinking it is mathematically impossible for the Wings to make the playoffs. I mean I would understand if we were like Edmonton status right now, but we are so close to being in 5th or 6th place.

We have been so close for weeks now and cannot seem to string anything together. One night we look amazing and then the next night we get blown out by the Islanders. If the Wings aren't careful, it could turn into an Edmonton situation. While I don't think it will come to that, I do believe that the Wings need to be careful and just win. Win and all the troubles seem to go away. Remember, fan is short for fanatic and there will always be doomsayers no matter what.

[Vladifan 680]

Osgood's five hole is absolutely horrible.

Ah, there's that phrase again. Such imagination. Such creativity.

Jock strap. Jock strap. Jock strap.

[stuck in socal 56]

We have been so close for weeks now and cannot seem to string anything together. One night we look amazing and then the next night we get blown out by the Islanders. If the Wings aren't careful, it could turn into an Edmonton situation. While I don't think it will come to that, I do believe that the Wings need to be careful and just win. Win and all the troubles seem to go away. Remember, fan is short for fanatic and there will always be doomsayers no matter what.

I agree with your entire post.

It is so true how one night we can look like the Red Wings and the next night we are getting clobbered by the Isles.

[Dano33 41]

We have been so close for weeks now and cannot seem to string anything together. One night we look amazing and then the next night we get blown out by the Islanders. If the Wings aren't careful, it could turn into an Edmonton situation. While I don't think it will come to that, I do believe that the Wings need to be careful and just win. Win and all the troubles seem to go away. Remember, fan is short for fanatic and there will always be doomsayers no matter what.

What's wrong with that? We're keeping close with a depleted roster. People say that Franzen and Kronwall aren't going to be saviors when they come back, but we don't need them to be. We need them to be themselves, give us depth, and if they can do that we will start to move up the standings.

I realize that the injury excuse has been beaten to death, but if we're keeping pace with teams now, what happens when we're healthy?

[Guest lilja4mvp]

Mantra of a staunch Ozzie hater: Ignore the fact that we had 51 shots on goal and got two out of them; Ignore the fact that there were very stupid penalties taken by players who should know better; Ignore the fact that we could not capitalize on four power plays. Ignore the fact that Stuart got played royally two feet from the goal. Ignore the fact that the third goal was a deflection. Ignore the fact that THERE ARE FIVE FRICKEN PLAYERS OUT ON THE ICE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. NOT ONE.

Attack? Hell, no because I know it would do no good whatsoever. You all have blinders on and you, for whatever reason, IGNORE the whole game and zero in on the goalie. In this case and once again, OZZIE. But honestly? I cannot even yet believe the fact that many of you refuse to take in the whole game when you start laying it on ONE player. It is beyond me. And that's a fact.

tons of people were calling out bertuzzi

tons of posts bashing leino

the usual lebda bashing

filppula called out for his suck-factor on the PP

i guess you missed those posts?

[Vladifan 680]

Harold knows what he's talking about.

Even scarier when kids troll on a messageboard for a team they're supposedly fans of.

Harold is one of many on this board that I not only usually agree with but he states facts, he clarifies, he supports the Red Wings as a TEAM. Bottom line, he has perspective and he has history on his side. I hope he calms down and comes back.

[Guest Howard He Do It?!]

Mantra of a staunch Ozzie hater: Ignore the fact that we had 51 shots on goal and got two out of them; Ignore the fact that there were very stupid penalties taken by players who should know better; Ignore the fact that we could not capitalize on four power plays. Ignore the fact that Stuart got played royally two feet from the goal. Ignore the fact that the third goal was a deflection. Ignore the fact that THERE ARE FIVE FRICKEN PLAYERS OUT ON THE ICE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. NOT ONE.

Attack? Hell, no because I know it would do no good whatsoever. You all have blinders on and you, for whatever reason, IGNORE the whole game and zero in on the goalie. In this case and once again, OZZIE. But honestly? I cannot even yet believe the fact that many of you refuse to take in the whole game when you start laying it on ONE player. It is beyond me. And that's a fact.

When did I say that we lost because of Ozzie? Oh yeah, I didn't. You are just making gross assumptions. What you aren't doing however is admitting to the fact that that second goal was a weak 5-hole goal, something that we have seen time and time again. A goalie is there to make saves and sometimes the defense won't be there to help you. A goalie has to stop pucks. Period.

Of course the penalty Bert took was bad, no one ignores that fact. Of course our PP was bad and we couldn't capitalize on one of our many shots. That doesn't change the fact that the second goal was a softie that we typically see.

You, however, will not admit to that and just pretend like everyone is blaming Ozzie for this loss, including me, which I never did. Go back and look at my posts in this GDT. Not once will you see me blaming Ozzie for the los. What you will see is me saying that the second goal was soft, which it was.

You yourself said to take the whole game into account. I think it's time that you did.

[Vladifan 680]

I've passed a Pens jersey in the store now several times, and the urges are getting stronger and stronger for me.

I gotta get over the notion that you're just a whiner. You're not. And thanks for these whimsical, perspective-laden posts. You be more than OK in my book. If I ever write one.

[Guest Howard He Do It?!]

What's wrong with that? We're keeping close with a depleted roster. People say that Franzen and Kronwall aren't going to be saviors when they come back, but we don't need them to be. We need them to be themselves, give us depth, and if they can do that we will start to move up the standings.

I realize that the injury excuse has been beaten to death, but if we're keeping pace with teams now, what happens when we're healthy?

There is no guarantee that getting those players back will change anything. Franzen will be coming back from a major injury that will mentally affect his game. Many are not completely healed from an injury like that for more than a year. Look at our star players now. They are not playing anywhere near how they can.

Keeping close can quickly turn into golfing in April.

[Vladifan 680]

fun with pics

Debate that!

Kick ass, Marty!

[Guest Howard He Do It?!]

tons of people were calling out bertuzzi

tons of posts bashing leino

the usual lebda bashing

filppula called out for his suck-factor on the PP

i guess you missed those posts?

It happens when you don't go back and read the GDT and then go on to make gross assumptions that end up being completely wrong.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Ah, there's that phrase again. Such imagination. Such creativity.

Jock strap. Jock strap. Jock strap.

It doesn't need to be imaginative or creative when it's true. Osgood has a horrible five hole, it's indisputable. Hasek was one of the best goalies of all time but 2 years ago he just couldn't hack it anymore. Osgood has been a great goalie but his time is coming. Maybe if Osgood gets 10 straight starts he can do as well as Howard is now but it's still only a maybe and we have a definite in Howard, and that's who needs to get the starts because we can't waste points. If it's still a battle to stay in the playoffs and Howard is in net it's almost impossible to not have him start the playoffs. This is the reality. Osgood has had a great career and he still may be great, but we can't afford to test that.

Edited January 20, 2010 by Z and D for the C

[Guest Howard He Do It?!]

I agree with your entire post.

It is so true how one night we can look like the Red Wings and the next night we are getting clobbered by the Isles.

It's just frustrating because I know what this team can be, as we all do. This year just has not been kind.

[Vladifan 680]

Just back from the game ... well, that was obnoxious, as were the Caps fans who heckled me that "It must suck to be out of the playoffs!" and that the Wings "can't buy the Stanley Cup anymore!" ... to which I calmly asked for the Caps fan to provide more information about how to win a Stanley Cup, given his franchise's great history.

Anyway, on to the game ... couldn't tell exactly from my vantage point, but I have a hard time faulting Ozzie for any of those goals. Maybe should have had the second one, but if Stuart doesn't get turned inside out, he's not in that position. 1st and 2nd goals were crap defensive breakdowns (and the 2nd was because of a stupid penalty) and the 3rd was just a fluke.

Beyond that -- I'm pumped for the rest of the season. Playing on the road against the No. 1 team in the East, still shorthanded, the Wings SKATED CIRCLES AROUND WASHINGTON. The top line looked great, the defense absolutely stuffed Ovechkin and a lot of guys skated really well. If they play like that the rest of the season, they will EASILY get into the playoffs and could get to the 4th or 5th seed. I'm very happy with how they skated, I think they did a better job clearing the front of the net than they had and the PK was spectacular until that last stupid Stuart play.

Things are looking up. Keep the faith, people.

THANKS for telling us how it really was there, and I think our guys looked pretty good to, from about 2000 miles away. I know there's hope. We're talkin' Detroit Red Wings here. I hope you had an OK time overall.