1/19 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Capitals 3

[Dominator2005 558]

Looks like someone is missing some arguments...

[Dano33 41]

There is no guarantee that getting those players back will change anything. Franzen will be coming back from a major injury that will mentally affect his game. Many are not completely healed from an injury like that for more than a year. Look at our star players now. They are not playing anywhere near how they can.

Keeping close can quickly turn into golfing in April.

You know Franzen personally? It will mentally effect his game? How do you know that? Its not football where you have guys diving at your knees all game. Even if Franzen doesn't come back at full speed, he is still better than current roster players and can eat up more minutes and give our top guys a few less shifts. I believe Franzen and Kronwall are our tickets to the playoffs, whether they're 100% or not.

Edited January 20, 2010 by Dano33

[Vladifan 680]

When did I say that we lost because of Ozzie? Oh yeah, I didn't. You are just making gross assumptions. What you aren't doing however is admitting to the fact that that second goal was a weak 5-hole goal, something that we have seen time and time again. A goalie is there to make saves and sometimes the defense won't be there to help you. A goalie has to stop pucks. Period.

Of course the penalty Bert took was bad, no one ignores that fact. Of course our PP was bad and we couldn't capitalize on one of our many shots. That doesn't change the fact that the second goal was a softie that we typically see.

You, however, will not admit to that and just pretend like everyone is blaming Ozzie for this loss, including me, which I never did. Go back and look at my posts in this GDT. Not once will you see me blaming Ozzie for the los. What you will see is me saying that the second goal was soft, which it was.

You yourself said to take the whole game into account. I think it's time that you did.

What you did do was specifically call me a staunch Ozzie supporter, in spite of the fact that I have said repeatedly there's a whole frickin' team out there playing well sometimes, playing stupidly sometimes, sometimes winning, sometimes losing. I AM NOT A STAUNCH SUPPORTER OF ONE SINGLE PLAYER ON THIS TEAM. I AM A STAUNCH SUPPORTER OF THE DETROIT RED WINGS. PERIOD.

[Jericho613 74]

Karma is really biting the wings in the ass this year for all the successful seasons this teams had. Either that or someone has a curse on us.

[Vladifan 680]

It's just frustrating because I know what this team can be, as we all do. This year just has not been kind.

Nor have you. Nor have you been fair in your assumptions of what I've actually posted here.

[Guest Howard He Do It?!]

You know Franzen personally? It will mentally effect his game? How do you know that? Its not football where you have guys diving at your knees all game. Even if Franzen doesn't coma back at full speed, he is still better than current roster players and can eat up more minutes and give our top guys a few less shifts. I believe Franzen and Kronwall are our tickets to the playoffs, whether they're 100% or not.

Take a look back at other players with this type of injury. It takes a while to recover from and feel 100% going hard into those corners. Franzen will be affected by it in some way or another.

[Guest Howard He Do It?!]

Nor have you. Nor have you been fair in your assumptions of what I've actually posted here.

And you've been the golden child of being fair and correctly determining what I have posted.

Edited January 20, 2010 by Howard He Do It?!

[SDavis35 140]

Well... I'm kind of stunned. I left class with 7:52 left in the 3rd, come home and see 3-2. Things like that just shouldn't happen. I feel bad for Osgood... it looked like he was playing with heart until the first goal went in. He kinda lost it after that, but was still making saves.

Ah well, bring the points the rest of the week.

[Guest Howard He Do It?!]

What you did do was specifically call me a staunch Ozzie supporter, in spite of the fact that I have said repeatedly there's a whole frickin' team out there playing well sometimes, playing stupidly sometimes, sometimes winning, sometimes losing. I AM NOT A STAUNCH SUPPORTER OF ONE SINGLE PLAYER ON THIS TEAM. I AM A STAUNCH SUPPORTER OF THE DETROIT RED WINGS. PERIOD.

You still won't admit that the second goal was soft. You'll easily say that Stuart got turned inside out but you won't say that Ozzie should watch his 5-hole. I got news for you, Ozzie's 5-hole problems affect this TEAM.

[Vladifan 680]

You still won't admit that the second goal was soft. You'll easily say that Stuart got turned inside out but you won't say that Ozzie should watch his 5-hole. I got news for you, Ozzie's 5-hole problems affect this TEAM.

My final response to you is that you chose to lump me into being nothing more than a "staunch Ozzie supporter" and your main demand is that I admit that Ozzie could have played better. That tells me all I will probably ever need to know about you and your take about other people's input on this board.

Peace out.

[Rivalred 630]

Happy New Year to LGW Members, another member moaning/groaning about goal tending.

[Rick Zombos Ghost 82]

Leino....great game.

[Guest Howard He Do It?!]

My final response to you is that you chose to lump me into being nothing more than a "staunch Ozzie supporter" and your main demand is that I admit that Ozzie could have played better. That tells me all I will probably ever need to know about you and your take about other people's input on this board.

Peace out.

You didn't even say that about Ozzie and you couldn't say that about Ozzie. You listed what else went wrong. See:

Mantra of a staunch Ozzie hater: Ignore the fact that we had 51 shots on goal and got two out of them; Ignore the fact that there were very stupid penalties taken by players who should know better; Ignore the fact that we could not capitalize on four power plays. Ignore the fact that Stuart got played royally two feet from the goal. Ignore the fact that the third goal was a deflection. Ignore the fact that THERE ARE FIVE FRICKEN PLAYERS OUT ON THE ICE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. NOT ONE.

Attack? Hell, no because I know it would do no good whatsoever. You all have blinders on and you, for whatever reason, IGNORE the whole game and zero in on the goalie. In this case and once again, OZZIE. But honestly? I cannot even yet believe the fact that many of you refuse to take in the whole game when you start laying it on ONE player. It is beyond me. And that's a fact.

You admit the faults of the team minus Ozzie. You do everything possible to not even mention him.

I take other people's input with any open mind, but not when it is jaded and full of holes. You cannot sit there and list every negative thing done by the TEAM and then leave Ozzie off of that list. You cannot sit there and say Ozzie did nothing wrong, which is what you are doing.

That tells me all that I will need to know about you and your skewed view on reality. Also, it doesn't bode well to just run away from an argument.

Edited January 20, 2010 by Howard He Do It?!

[TheOwl 77]

The only bad thing about this game was Osgood. Sure Stuart and Lebda sucked it up badly on those two goals. But come on, a good goalie makes those key saves. Osgood seems indifferent to the fact that the Wings could miss the play-offs.

[Guest Howard He Do It?!]

The only bad thing about this game was Osgood. Sure Stuart and Lebda sucked it up badly on those two goals. But come on, a good goalie makes those key saves. Osgood seems indifferent to the fact that the Wings could miss the play-offs.

I would say our PP was bad too. 0-for-5 is pitiful.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

The only bad thing about this game was Osgood. Sure Stuart and Lebda sucked it up badly on those two goals. But come on, a good goalie makes those key saves. Osgood seems indifferent to the fact that the Wings could miss the play-offs.

Yes, because he would love to miss the playoffs.

He doesn't strive on his playoff performance either.

And I'm sure that Osgood was at fault for the offense being unable to finish.

Can we have a post that deals with ALL the problems instead of using the typical scapegoat?

[Zeta Power 40 1]

Leino....great game.

I'm gonna pick him up in Fantasy. Guy is a total stud!

[redwashington2000 42]

Just came back from the game, had great seats right behind OZI. Second goal was totally Ozi's fault, he should challenge the shooter if yr D felt behind. I was not impressed with Ericson, Lebda and Meach, Ericson was on the ice for 2 goals against, first one totally his fault.

Well the good thing about today I finally got to talk to Datsyuk and got his autograph, I will upload some pictures later.

[clutchngrab 12]

Obviously Berts penalty was the real killer, and our PP's inability to put the puck in the net hurts. However I can't help but think 3 goals on 20 shots just doesn't cut it. It's speculative of course, but I suspect that Howard would have stopped at least one of those last 2 goals and maybe both. Hopefully Oz goes back to the pine. We need our best chance for points.

[seeinred 1,488]

Just came back from the game, had great seats right behind OZI. Second goal was totally Ozi's fault, he should challenge the shooter if yr D felt behind. I was not impressed with Ericson, Lebda and Meach, Ericson was on the ice for 2 goals against, first one totally his fault.

Well the good thing about today I finally got to talk to Datsyuk and got his autograph, I will upload some pictures later.

You're crazy if you honestly think the 2nd goal was all on Ozzie. I do think he should've made the save, and a goalie has to make some of those bailout saves if your team's gonna win consistently, but it's just as much on Stuart as Osgood.

[clutchngrab 12]

It's been a while since the Wings dominated a game and failed to get a point out of it. It's just like old times.

A couple of mistakes cost the team. I fault the failure of the PP, the inability to finish on rebounds (they miss Homer and Franzen) and a stupid offensive zone penalty by Bertuzzi the most.

And that my friend summarizes the difference of goaltending.

[Vladifan 680]

You're crazy if you honestly think the 2nd goal was all on Ozzie. I do think he should've made the save, and a goalie has to make some of those bailout saves if your team's gonna win consistently, but it's just as much on Stuart as Osgood.

I agree with you about Stuart, but it would have been cool if Ozzie had made that save. And you're right when you say a goalie has to make some of those bailout saves, and he didn't. He could have had a better game. It would have been great if he'd had a better game. We might have won if he'd had a better game. But he wasn't in top form and he really could have played better. I'm sure his team mates would agree as well as admitting they could have done better too. But they are as a TEAM playing better and that's the name o' that game, eh?

Thanks for letting me tag on to this post, SeeinRed.

[Branton87 77]

I'm gonna pick him up in Fantasy. Guy is a total stud!

I lol'd.

[clutchngrab 12]

I agree with you about Stuart, but it would have been cool if Ozzie had made that save. And you're right when you say a goalie has to make some of those bailout saves, and he didn't. He could have had a better game. It would have been great if he'd had a better game. We might have won if he'd had a better game. But he wasn't in top form and he really could have played better. I'm sure his team mates would agree as well as admitting they could have done better too. But they are as a TEAM playing better and that's the name o' that game, eh?

Thanks for letting me tag on to this post, SeeinRed.

yeah, whatever - more excuses.... I word: points. We need them. Sit Oz for another month, please.

[gowings00 545]

getting Homer and Franzen back is our only chance in making a deep run in the playoffs. IF we don't get them back and up to playoff speed...(that's the key) then we are going to continue to struggle putting the puck in the net. I wish we had another scorer but we don't and it doesn' look like we will have enough money to go get one this year...

Hang in there boys and keep grinding it out...the wins will come!