Trim 2 million

[Leadzedder 4]

So if Lilja is back.... we are exactly ($1,994,543) 2 million over the cap. We would have a 25 man roster, so we have to lose 2 players. You could go 3 if you wanted to. We currently (once healthy) have 15 forwards, 8 defencemen, and 2 goalies.

What would you do?

Bolded combinations work. Other ones don't.

Williams and Leino = 2.3

Williams and Lebda = 2.15

Williams and May = 2

Williams and Meech = 1.983

Lilja and Maltby = 2.133

Lilja and Leino = 2.05

Lilja and Lebda = 1.9

Lilja and May = 1.75

Lilja and Meech = 1.733

Lilja, May and Meech = 2.233

Maltby, Leino and Meech = 2.166

Maltby, Lebda and Meech = 2.016

Leino, Lebda and Miller = 1.975

Leino, Lebda, and May = 1.95

Leino, Lebda and Meech = 1.933

Leino, May and Meech = 1.765

Here's our bottom priced guys for your reference

Kris Draper — $1,583,333

Jason Williams — $1,500,000

Todd Bertuzzi — $1,500,000

Andreas Lilja — $1,250,000

Jonathan Ericsson — $900,000

Kirk Maltby — $883,000

Ville Leino — $800,000

Brett Lebda — $650,000

Darren Helm — $599,000

Drew Miller — $525,000

Brad May — $500,000

Patrick Eaves — $500,000

Derek Meech — $483,000

I can't see any of the bolded getting moved, but who knows.

So what do you do? Or do you go off the board and make another move? If so... please share. This is a tough decision and it's definitely down to small money making a difference.

Edited February 4, 2010 by Leadzedder

[InKennyWeTrust 126]

It was my understanding that our cap hit was lowered for Miller because we took on his contract midway through the year... along with a lot of other cap mumbo jumbo I didn't understand in this thread...

[skyphoenix 153]

I'd get rid of Williams and May but that's just me.

[ben_usmc 253]

I suggest Holland punch Gary Bettman in the face and say "f*** your salary cap honky!"

[DetroitWhat 4]

per mlive article http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...sions_with.html , Miller's cap hit is 413,000 and May is 482,000.

Edited February 4, 2010 by DetroitWhat

[WorkingOvertime 536]

I'd get rid of Williams and May but that's just me.

What would you do with the excess defense? To me, Meech, Lebda, or both are on their way out.

[wings1110 184]

drapers cap hit is rediculous.

[AtomicPunk 296]

Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

[Guest zackmorris]

Leino/Williams make the most sense. No one else has much trade value and we can manage the future fairly well if we were to deal those two. Given our fantastic scouting whatever picks we get could turn out better than those two anyway, or could be packaged in a deal to obtain a higher pick.

It sucks, but it's looking like unless we pull off some out of the blue deal we'll be trading away Williams. On one hand, he's right handed and ahs a bomb from the point. Although we could also assume we don't truly need his offense once we get Franz back and start clicking. Our team seems to have more of a chemistry problem than a pure not-being-able-to-score problem, which even without Williams we may be able to fix, esp if it helps our future.

I dunno how we'd be comfortable trading or letting go 3 players. I think it's going to be Williams and Lebda myself, since we're not going to carry 8 defenseman. Meech has been playing solidly lately and doesn't make enough to make dropping him worth it. Cause what scenario could we go with that involves not losing 3 bodies and not carrying 8 defenseman? Isn't this the only one? Not counting the rest of the roster. Maltby and Lilja aren't going anywhere either.

Edited February 4, 2010 by zackmorris

[Leadzedder 4]

per mlive article http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...sions_with.html , Miller's cap hit is 413,000 and May is 482,000.

Ahhhh, good call fellas. That makes a big difference. I'll rework the numbers.

[Guest zackmorris]

I also can't see Miller/Eaves going anywhere, same with Bert or any longtime Wing. Helm/Ericsson definitely aren't being moved unless someone makes us an offer we can't turn down.

Edited February 4, 2010 by zackmorris

[stillwater 186]

$2 million is a lot of money for trim.

[skyphoenix 153]

What would you do with the excess defense? To me, Meech, Lebda, or both are on their way out.

I would like to see Lebda go over Meech, because Meech has been outplaying Lebda at every chance this season. However, Lebda has been on this team longer and it doesn't look like they want Meech taking his spot so I think Meech would be more likely to go.

[Guest zackmorris]

I would like to see Lebda go over Meech, because Meech has been outplaying Lebda at every chance this season. However, Lebda has been on this team longer and it doesn't look like they want Meech taking his spot so I think Meech would be more likely to go.

This is true. If they thought Meech was more valuable than Lebda, they would've had Meech playing more than Lebda this season.

Here's hoping they make a business decision that doesn't take that into account as much as the money they'd shed by losing him. Although I will say, Lebda hasn't been terrible lately.

[wingsdiehard13 33]

I don't see where Meech is better than Lebda. At least Lebda brings speed, Meech brings... well not much of anything, really. He can play forward but hasn't at all this year, and there is no need.

[Yellowknife Redwing 57]

Williams, Lebda, Leino and May.

We have enough reliable players to fill the roster out after they're gone and that will give us some flexibility under the cap in order to add another D or F should we deem it necessary. All of the above players are interchangeable pieces and do not fill any vital role on the team.

[titanium2 867]

Williams and Lebda = 2.15

My vote.

[Leadzedder 4]

It was my understanding that our cap hit was lowered for Miller because we took on his contract midway through the year... along with a lot of other cap mumbo jumbo I didn't understand in this thread...

What a mess of bad information that is. Not saying that i know what's right or wrong, but that's a whole lot of guessing in there. It gets clearer towards the end. If i understand things correctly, we haven't accrued jack for cap space. Been over the cap since day 1. All our callups have been covered by LTI exemption. That's why some of our guys that were out weren't placed on long term cause it didn't help anything. We already had enough room for call ups with Lilja and Franzen. The only thing I'm fuzzy on is whether Miller and May count as full amounts or prorated amounts. I'd say prorated as we didn't have them all year. Definitely prorated for the end of year calculation. But this daily spending thing... how does it affect that. I'm guessing again.... prorated?

[InKennyWeTrust 126]

What a mess of bad information that is. Not saying that i know what's right or wrong, but that's a whole lot of guessing in there. It gets clearer towards the end. If i understand things correctly, we haven't accrued jack for cap space. Been over the cap since day 1. All our callups have been covered by LTI exemption. That's why some of our guys that were out weren't placed on long term cause it didn't help anything. We already had enough room for call ups with Lilja and Franzen. The only thing I'm fuzzy on is whether Miller and May count as full amounts or prorated amounts. I'd say prorated as we didn't have them all year. Definitely prorated for the end of year calculation. But this daily spending thing... how does it affect that. I'm guessing again.... prorated?

That was my guess, and if we're saving 100k (+/- a few thousand) of Miller's salary, it makes the Lebda/Leino/May choice my vote.

[titanium2 867]

Question. If all the organizations know that Detroit needs to get rid of certain players, can't they just wait until DET has to place them on waivers so that they can claim them without giving up anything? Like the way LA acquired Quincey?

If so then why is there even speculation among the media that DET will have to trade players to free up cap space if they'll likely just lose them for nothing?

[rage 24]

Trade Lilja!! Problem solved!! Edited February 4, 2010 by rage

[HockeyTownHouligan 57]

your kind of right, it's kind of like screw your neighbor. Why not let the wings sink a little more instead of giving up a prospect they could just let the wings drowned and grab up the remains.

[Leadzedder 4]

Question. If all the organizations know that Detroit needs to get rid of certain players, can't they just wait until DET has to place them on waivers so that they can claim them without giving up anything? Like the way LA acquired Quincey?

If so then why is there even speculation among the media that DET will have to trade players to free up cap space if they'll likely just lose them for nothing

When a player is waived there is a sequence or list or whatever the word is of teams that get a chance to claim that player. Not every team is first on that list. Only one actually.... so if you're team 10 or 15 on the waiver list you're not getting Leino or Williams or whoever. Therefore if you want that player, you must trade for him. But you're right.... the first team to be able to put a claim in probably won't trade for him. They'll just hope he hits waivers. Clear?

Everyone knows Chicago has to move bodies in the offseason. I say Holland keeps his 7th rounder and just claims Sharp and Versteeg off waivers..... see what I'm saying.

The Quincey thing may actually help.... teams might think.... hmm... Detroit's junk aint too bad.

Edited February 4, 2010 by Leadzedder

[titanium2 867]

When a player is waived there is a sequence or list or whatever the word is of teams that get a chance to claim that player. Not every team is first on that list. Only one actually.... so if you're team 10 or 15 on the waiver list you're not getting Leino or Williams or whoever. Therefore if you want that player, you must trade for him. But you're right.... the first team to be able to put a claim in probably won't trade for him. They'll just hope he hits waivers. Clear?

Yes, thanks a lot. I figured they had to have a system of how to work that all out and that it wasn't just a royal rumble among 29 teams but I had no idea it was specifically like that. Does anyone know that list? That would be really helpful if we were to consider options.

[Leadzedder 4]

Trade Lilja!! Problem solved!!

Lilja only makes 1.25 but thanks for playing.