Jeff Carter Obliterates Anssi Salmela

[Finnish Wing 110]

I think hockey players get paid well enough for playing this risky game.

[jollymania 162]

Honestly, how would you feel if your dad or brother was in a youtube video where he was declared to be "destroyed", "killed", "obliterated", "annihilated" etc? This glorification of violence is sickening. And to respond by cheering and stating that he should have "kept his head up" -- that's sociopathic, go see somebody.

Every hit like this pulls me a bit further away from hockey. I simply don't see the joy in watching people risking other people's life and well being by acting like maniacs.

Salmela was not seriously injured, you need to grow a pair seriously, if it were dirty and he were injured then who's cheering?

[Finnish Wing 110]

Salmela was not seriously injured, you need to grow a pair seriously, if it were dirty and he were injured then who's cheering?

Well maybe that was the case with Lilja at first too. I hope for the best of course.

[jollymania 162]

Well maybe that was the case with Lilja at first too. I hope for the best of course.

yeah i hope it isn't worse, but from initial reports it seems just like it is just a mangled face, which is part of the job of being in the nhl

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

in this situation if your carter you have ot go for the hit, it was all he could do to prevent the goal

This is the dumbest ******* thing I have read on here in months. And believe me, there's been plenty to choose from.

All he could do to prevent the goal? Are you deliberately slow? Ever held a hockey stick in your hands? Which is longer, your stick or your arm? Or your shoulder?

Salmela's a left hand shot, Carter would've had a better chance of tying up his stick or giving him a whack on the stick or arms than he did of hitting the ******* guy after the shot is already in the net.

[Konnan511 1,736]

You probably shouldn't be watching hockey then. The players all accept the risk of injury by playing. Nobody here likes to see another player get hurt, but the majority of us don't feel sorry for a player who got rocked from not having his head up, a cardinal rule in hockey.

I agree with that, but I feel bad for this kid because he got rocked after he scored a goal. If Carter did this after the shot was blocked then i would have a completely different opinion. The hit to me was clean, but how the hit came about wasn't. Plus, on top of it being late, it was also charging.

Charging is defined as taking more than three strides or jumping before hitting an opponent. Officially the NHL rulebook declares "Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner." Charging can be committed anywhere on the ice; it could be a hit into the boards, into the goal frame, or on the open ice.

He went a long way to lay that hit w/o an attempt to even play the puck.

[Original-Six 254]

Believe it or not hockey is a physical sport and players do actually get hurt from time to time

Seems like every big hit now a days is some way “dirty†or “classlessâ€

And no it wasn’t charging he coasted in from the blue line…

[Finnish Wing 110]

This is the dumbest ******* thing I have read on here in months. And believe me, there's been plenty to choose from.

All he could do to prevent the goal? Are you deliberately slow? Ever held a hockey stick in your hands? Which is longer, your stick or your arm? Or your shoulder?

Salmela's a left hand shot, Carter would've had a better chance of tying up his stick or giving him a whack on the stick or arms than he did of hitting the ******* guy after the shot is already in the net.

I think this pretty sums up my feelings, even though it was a legal hit.

[jollymania 162]

This is the dumbest ******* thing I have read on here in months. And believe me, there's been plenty to choose from.

All he could do to prevent the goal? Are you deliberately slow? Ever held a hockey stick in your hands? Which is longer, your stick or your arm? Or your shoulder?

Salmela's a left hand shot, Carter would've had a better chance of tying up his stick or giving him a whack on the stick or arms than he did of hitting the ******* guy after the shot is already in the net.

wow

YOu have a much greater chance of making an impact in that situation if you go for the hit, i doubt he woudl have prevented that goal with a stick lift he wasn't there in time, maybe you should play hockey before you blow up like that.

Edited February 9, 2010 by jollymania

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

wow

YOu have a much greater chance of making an impact in that situation if you go for the hit, i doubt he woudl have prevented that goal with a stick lift he wasn't there in time, maybe you should play hockey before you blow up like that.

Not exactly. Datsyuk is the NHL's takeaway king by using his stick 9 times out of 10, not the body.

[jollymania 162]

Not exactly. Datsyuk is the NHL's takeaway king by using his stick 9 times out of 10, not the body.

Well of course, but in Carter's situation it wouldn't have worked.

[Konnan511 1,736]

Believe it or not hockey is a physical sport and players do actually get hurt from time to time

Seems like every big hit now a days is some way “dirty†or “classlessâ€

And no it wasn’t charging he coasted in from the blue line…

Re-read the part I bolded.

You can coast and still charge. Just like you can get a slashing w/o even touching the player. If you skate or coast for a great distance i.e. from the blue line to the goal crease and delivery a violent hit, it is charging.

[Finnish Wing 110]

Well of course, but in Carter's situation it wouldn't have worked.

Could you explain why exactly? I mean that hit had nothing to do with getting the puck away.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

wow

YOu have a much greater chance of making an impact in that situation if you go for the hit, i doubt he woudl have prevented that goal with a stick lift he wasn't there in time, maybe you should play hockey before you blow up like that.

Are you seriously trying to be slow?

The hit came after the shot, did it not? So what good is a hit in that situation after the shot is already in the back of the net?

You can't say definitively if using his stick would have made one iota of difference. However, considering the FACT that he couldn't hit him until after the shot was taken, perhaps using his stick, which would have given him a good 4+ feet of reach, he might have been able to interfere with the shot.

You do undertand that if Carter reaches out with his stick he might have actually touched Salmella during the act of shooting. You understand the concept of "reach" correct? You do know that a hockey stick is this long thing you hold in your hands that allows you to reach farther out than you could with your arms, right?

I'm still trying to figure out if you're really this dumb or if you're just ******* with me.

[Holmstrom96 347]

can't wait til there's an actual rule regarding head shots

It wasn't a headshot, it was shoulder to shoulder. Clean as clean can be.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

It wasn't a headshot, it was shoulder to shoulder. Clean as clean can be.

I agree. Although its one of those hits where you are clearly "taking advantage" of another player.

Part of me has always put the onus on the puck carrier to keep your head up. However, today's game has gotten to a point of ridiculousness.

I was watching a game the other night where 2 guys are battling along the boards, kind of hunched over and a 3rd guy comes screaming in and steamrolls the opposition player, shoulder to head blow and the refs don't call it. WTF is that?

I'm in my 30's now and having watched the pro game for over 20 years I have seen a definite change in the way players go about hitting.

The game used to be full of hacking and whacking and guys fought through alot to get open and these big hits were there, but not as prevalent.

Now, you can't impede anybody (which is good) but it has opened up a new problem, combined with bigger, faster, stronger players that have an invincibility complex co-mingled with a seemingly non-existent respect for the opposition.

Jeff Carter is coming from behind Salmella, from his blind side with no intent to get the puck. He wanted to drill Salmella and he did.

And for what? The goal got scored and a guy got hurt.

They need to do something about these hits (albeit legal) there's something about the spirit of the game and the devastating injuries guys are suffering that has me thinking that just telling guys to keep their heads up isn't going to cut it.

Just b/c a guy is vulnerable doesn't mean you have to jeopardize his career and life.

[jollymania 162]

Are you seriously trying to be slow?

The hit came after the shot, did it not? So what good is a hit in that situation after the shot is already in the back of the net?

You can't say definitively if using his stick would have made one iota of difference. However, considering the FACT that he couldn't hit him until after the shot was taken, perhaps using his stick, which would have given him a good 4+ feet of reach, he might have been able to interfere with the shot.

You do undertand that if Carter reaches out with his stick he might have actually touched Salmella during the act of shooting. You understand the concept of "reach" correct? You do know that a hockey stick is this long thing you hold in your hands that allows you to reach farther out than you could with your arms, right?

I'm still trying to figure out if you're really this dumb or if you're just ******* with me.

Carter wasn't in a great position to make a stick "reach". Richards should have been the one to eliminate him with a hold or some stick work, it was perfectly fine for carter to go for the hit as he wasn't in a great position.

Why not hit him? You are just going out of control for no reason, who cares if he hit him you don't have to go flaming because it is a different opinion than yours.

Edited February 10, 2010 by jollymania

[jollymania 162]

I agree. Although its one of those hits where you are clearly "taking advantage" of another player.

Part of me has always put the onus on the puck carrier to keep your head up. However, today's game has gotten to a point of ridiculousness.

I was watching a game the other night where 2 guys are battling along the boards, kind of hunched over and a 3rd guy comes screaming in and steamrolls the opposition player, shoulder to head blow and the refs don't call it. WTF is that?

I'm in my 30's now and having watched the pro game for over 20 years I have seen a definite change in the way players go about hitting.

The game used to be full of hacking and whacking and guys fought through alot to get open and these big hits were there, but not as prevalent.

Now, you can't impede anybody (which is good) but it has opened up a new problem, combined with bigger, faster, stronger players that have an invincibility complex co-mingled with a seemingly non-existent respect for the opposition.

Jeff Carter is coming from behind Salmella, from his blind side with no intent to get the puck. He wanted to drill Salmella and he did.

And for what? The goal got scored and a guy got hurt.

They need to do something about these hits (albeit legal) there's something about the spirit of the game and the devastating injuries guys are suffering that has me thinking that just telling guys to keep their heads up isn't going to cut it.

Just b/c a guy is vulnerable doesn't mean you have to jeopardize his career and life.

hitting is part of the game dude

[Guest Lidstromboli]

It wasn't a headshot, it was shoulder to shoulder. Clean as clean can be.

congratulations, you're the first person to "correct" me on that

even if you don't think it's a headshot, there should be a rule for them

[Finnish Wing 110]

It wasn't a headshot, it was shoulder to shoulder. Clean as clean can be.

Just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's clean.

[Original-Six 254]

Re-read the part I bolded.

You can coast and still charge. Just like you can get a slashing w/o even touching the player. If you skate or coast for a great distance i.e. from the blue line to the goal crease and delivery a violent hit, it is charging.

Charging is taking 3 or more strides or jumping right before you make the hit. Not coasting from half way across the rink.

[seeinred 1,488]

Charging is taking 3 or more strides or jumping right before you make the hit. Not coasting from half way across the rink.

I really don't know where people get that from. The rule says nothing about that.

Charging shall mean the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge†may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

Just because you coast for a split second before you make a hit doesn't mean it's not charging.

[toby91_ca 620]

Charging is taking 3 or more strides or jumping right before you make the hit. Not coasting from half way across the rink.

Where did you get that idea?

[Original-Six 254]

Where did you get that idea?

because thats the way the game has always been played.

Heres a perfect example: charge

Carter coasted from blue line to top of crease without taking a stride so he didnt get a charge.

[rbochan 15]

At least this one was a legitimate attempt to separate the player from the puck, unlike a lot of the dirty hits we've been seeing recently. As much as I dislike the Flyers and Carter, I really don't think it was a head shot or an attempt to injure.

A strong move to the the net with speed and your head down watching your fancy stick moves can put you in dangerous territory. You hate to see that happen, but you've got to be alert out there.

That being said, I do think it adds evidence to the case that modern "pads" are no longer pads - they're hard-shelled body armor, and dangerous because they're being used as weapons instead of being used to protect the player.