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#21 titanium2

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 12:28 PM

Absolutely nothing wrong with his hands.

Gee he is continously underrated. I can't wait until the day when Wings fans suddenly realise that we've got an elite talent in Mursak right on our doorstep. Mursak's speed + intensity + hands = gem.


Yeah I think some people hear the comparison to Helm and think his hands need to catch up with his speed. Not true. The only comparable aspect of Mursak's game to Helm's is his flat out speed.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 12:40 PM

Yeah I think some people hear the comparison to Helm and think his hands need to catch up with his speed. Not true. The only comparable aspect of Mursak's game to Helm's is his flat out speed.

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How good would that be?

TBH I'm not sure what to make of Andersson, I've got no expectations of him for this upcoming season, so anything he produces will be encouraging. Seems like he's got a good attitude though which is good, and given he was often only receiving 10 mins per game in Sweden, he shouldn't have any troubles adapting with the Griffins where he'll likely get a bigger role.

Can't wait to see Mursak again next season, hopefully he can continue to build on the platform he set this season.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 12:55 PM

Yea I agree with Aussie about Mursak, every griffins game I went to last year I was blown away by him. I said to my friend after one too many dollar beers, "Check out Jan the man, #13, he's just as fast as helm but doesn't have bricks for hands and can dangle at those top speeds."

I'm really excited to see him with the Wings, he deftly feeds the puck to teammates that they don't even see it coming and wiff on the open net (I've seen Rissmiller do this a lot).

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#24 titanium2

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 12:56 PM

How good would that be?

TBH I'm not sure what to make of Andersson, I've got no expectations of him for this upcoming season, so anything he produces will be encouraging. Seems like he's got a good attitude though which is good, and given he was often only receiving 10 mins per game in Sweden, he shouldn't have any troubles adapting with the Griffins where he'll likely get a bigger role.

Can't wait to see Mursak again next season, hopefully he can continue to build on the platform he set this season.


Hakan Andersson compares him Filppula without the high-end speed. Last time the GR had a Filppula they did fairly well, ;).

But if he has the ability to make smart plays and cover the ice defensively so that Tatar and Mursak can shoulder the offense then that sounds like a good fit to me. Jocke can definitely make some good passes. Plus, Tatar and Mursak, while diminutive, have good enough attitudes and competitive streaks that gives them the ability to play a lot bigger than their size.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 05:47 PM

What interest/concerns me most is whether Datsyuk and Zetterberg can pass off what they learned from Yzerman, Hull, et al to the next wave. That is what is most important. Sure D and Z had talent before they came here, but so did guys like Patrick Stefan and Alexandre Daigle. Unfortunately for the latter they did not learn the game from Hall of Famers like the late-round also rans we have here in Detroit.

Datsyuk can barely speak English, though he's probably better than he lets on, but unless we gets some young Russians he will be limited in his ability to teach the kids. Zetterberg can speak well, and he certainly has the personal dedication to excellence, but I wonder sometimes if he has what it takes to lead like Yzerman and Lidstrom. Perhaps I'm holding him to too high a standard at this point, but sometimes he seems bored with life, especially during interviews, and I wonder how he is in the locker room.

We all know how Hull really took Datsyuk under his wing, and there was a real nurturing of the younger by the older. Watching them on the bench I really got the impression that Hull cared about Pavel's development, and that Pavel really looked up to and respected Brett. That's the kind of leadership we'll need here to keep this party going.


I'm not trying to sound rude, but think about it. Dats has a good enough grasp of the language at this point to relay hockey information, and if he cant say it he could physically teach it. I feel that Dats already has shown that he shares wisdom with the youth, IMHO Huds is a prime example. Huds was really starting to hold the puck like datsyuk before he left.
Another Key factor here is the desire to learn. If the young guns want to be taught they will listen AND watch. A lot can be learned through watching a specific player or play during pratice and live games.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 06:18 PM

I have high hopes that zetterberg will return to form next season...starting in traverse city.
More or less all of may off, good training during the summer, marriage a month before training camp... hopefully he becomes "settled down" in the good way.

Edited by mindfly, 13 June 2010 - 06:19 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2010 - 07:56 PM

How good would that be?

TBH I'm not sure what to make of Andersson, I've got no expectations of him for this upcoming season, so anything he produces will be encouraging. Seems like he's got a good attitude though which is good, and given he was often only receiving 10 mins per game in Sweden, he shouldn't have any troubles adapting with the Griffins where he'll likely get a bigger role.

Can't wait to see Mursak again next season, hopefully he can continue to build on the platform he set this season.

I don't know what to make of Andersson either. He's big and looked decent in the world juniors. He seemed fairly physical and overall looked like a good player but he doesnt seem to put up a lot of numbers.

Mursak looked so good back with Belleville in the OHL and well Tatar is Tatar, I think they are potential 80 point guys in the NHL.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 10:15 PM

all i know is the cup is ours

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 12:54 PM

all i know is the cup is ours


I like that enthusiasm. WOOT!

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 02:37 PM

Here's how I see the team in five years, assuming no external additions are made (not going to happen! lol)...

FORWARDS:

Filppula(26)-Datsyuk(31)-Franzen(30)
Hudler(26)-Zetterberg(29)-Cleary(31)
Tatar(19)-Helm(23)-Ferraro(18)
Nyquist(20)/Ritola(23)/Miller(26)-Abdelkader(23)/Emmerton(22)/Andersson(21)-Mursak(22)/Eaves(26)

gone - Holmstrom, 37, Draper, 39, Bertuzzi, 35, Maltby, 37, May, 38, Williams, 29.

DEFENSEMEN:

Kronwall(29)-Stuart(30)
Kindl(23)-Smith(21)
Ericsson(26)-Fournier(18)/Nicastro(20)

gone - Lidstrom, 40, Rafalski, 36, Lilja, 34, Meech, 26, Lebda, 28.

GOALIES:

Howard(26)
McCollum(20)

gone - Osgood, 37.

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 02:44 PM

they're going to be the same age 5 years from now?

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 02:48 PM

I'm not trying to sound rude, but think about it. Dats has a good enough grasp of the language at this point to relay hockey information, and if he cant say it he could physically teach it. I feel that Dats already has shown that he shares wisdom with the youth, IMHO Huds is a prime example. Huds was really starting to hold the puck like datsyuk before he left.
Another Key factor here is the desire to learn. If the young guns want to be taught they will listen AND watch. A lot can be learned through watching a specific player or play during pratice and live games.


I don't know, there might be a tense moment in the playoffs, game 7, down by 1 with 5 minutes left to go. Coach calls a timeout and its the perfect opportunity for Datsyuk to pass on his veteran knowledge:
"I trust mine eyes to Dr. Rahmani, you should too."
"Dats not now! We need to come up with a gameplan. What should we do?"
"I trust mine eyes"
"What is he talking about!? Where do you want me on this faceoff??"
"To Dr. Rahmani"
"Ugh, its impossible."
"You should too."

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 03:14 PM

Here's how I see the team in five years, assuming no external additions are made (not going to happen! lol)...

FORWARDS:

Filppula(26)-Datsyuk(31)-Franzen(30)
Hudler(26)-Zetterberg(29)-Cleary(31)
Tatar(19)-Helm(23)-Ferraro(18)
Nyquist(20)/Ritola(23)/Miller(26)-Abdelkader(23)/Emmerton(22)/Andersson(21)-Mursak(22)/Eaves(26)

gone - Holmstrom, 37, Draper, 39, Bertuzzi, 35, Maltby, 37, May, 38, Williams, 29.

DEFENSEMEN:

Kronwall(29)-Stuart(30)
Kindl(23)-Smith(21)
Ericsson(26)-Fournier(18)/Nicastro(20)

gone - Lidstrom, 40, Rafalski, 36, Lilja, 34, Meech, 26, Lebda, 28.

GOALIES:

Howard(26)
McCollum(20)

gone - Osgood, 37.


In terms of forwards I think you're underestimating Mursak. He's got Helm's speed, or at least very close to his speed and good hands. I'm assuming he's going to be able to pot about 30 goals next season with the Griffins. I also think Andersson could take over the 3rd line center spot in a few years. His point production isn't the best but he's all over the ice and plays very physical. I don't think Ritola, Miller or Emmerton will be part of the team, and Ferraro's future is in his own hands. If he wants to be good he can.

On defense that seems about right. I don't know if Kindl has top 4 potential, but that remains to be seen. He apparently plays much better when he's with better players (sounds obvious) because he runs on mostly instinct. I also think that Pyett or Lashoff might be there in place of Fournier or Nicastro.

The goalies seem right, but I have an odd feeling that Jimmy is going to command some serious cash next off-season unless he hits the sophomore slump this year.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 03:22 PM

In terms of forwards I think you're underestimating Mursak. He's got Helm's speed, or at least very close to his speed and good hands. I'm assuming he's going to be able to pot about 30 goals next season with the Griffins. I also think Andersson could take over the 3rd line center spot in a few years. His point production isn't the best but he's all over the ice and plays very physical. I don't think Ritola, Miller or Emmerton will be part of the team, and Ferraro's future is in his own hands. If he wants to be good he can.

On defense that seems about right. I don't know if Kindl has top 4 potential, but that remains to be seen. He apparently plays much better when he's with better players (sounds obvious) because he runs on mostly instinct. I also think that Pyett or Lashoff might be there in place of Fournier or Nicastro.

The goalies seem right, but I have an odd feeling that Jimmy is going to command some serious cash next off-season unless he hits the sophomore slump this year.

Agreed, Mursak just needs to develop his game a bt more. He will at least be on Flips level points wise when he gets to the NHL. He has wheels, some grit, and some dangles. Mursak will be getting 60 points in the NHL at least and Tatar could be upwards of 80.

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