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29 years old. 24 goals, 25 assists, 49 points in 82 games.

What do you suggest, Mr. GM?

A player of lesser or equal salary with similar offensive numbers and half or less of the boneheaded penalties/plays.

I'm not thrilled at the prospect of signing Laich at over 4, but I'd rather pay Laich 4.2 or even 4.5 than 4.2 for Fartsmell.

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So if Ken somehow signs Leino at the 1st of July,this site is going to explode for sure :yowza:

Ya, and puke.... :puke: I can see it now, Kenny keeps Hudler and re-signs Leino...ya, that'll bring us a Cup.... did I mention :puke:?

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A player of lesser or equal salary with similar offensive numbers and half or less of the boneheaded penalties/plays.

I'm not thrilled at the prospect of signing Laich at over 4, but I'd rather pay Laich 4.2 or even 4.5 than 4.2 for Fartsmell.

It would be silly to pay Laich 4 mil or more. Someone will, though.

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It would be silly to pay Laich 4 mil or more. Someone will, though.

yes, agree....every year the Cap goes up, so do the amount of overpaying contracts...the days of bargins are over, what you got for $1.5M three years ago is now gonna cost you $4.5M... (I wish my employer would give me raises in those percentages!!!)

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29 years old. 24 goals, 25 assists, 49 points in 82 games.

What do you suggest, Mr. GM?

Obviously not intended for me, but to throw a name out there: Scottie Upshall.

22 goals and he's a free agent this summer. He will get a raise from his current deal, but he's still going to be more affordable than Hartnell.

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Still didn't get any names from you, as to who is a good idea...

I did say Laich, right? I'm fairly sure I did. Other UFA options:

Ryder (Faster, better shot/shoots more, better overall offense when not playing in offensively dead Boston, less penalties, probably cheaper)

Cole (more offense, similar grit, possible injury concerns however, possibly cheaper)

Tanguay (way more offense, maybe cheaper, but older)

Jokinen (similar offense, better shootouts, way less penalties, cheaper)

There are other options as well, but that's probably the best fits.

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Obviously not intended for me, but to throw a name out there: Scottie Upshall.

22 goals and he's a free agent this summer. He will get a raise from his current deal, but he's still going to be more affordable than Hartnell.

That's a good point, sir. I'd be happy with us snatching him up, but I bet Toronto is going to make a push for him.

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That's a good point, sir. I'd be happy with us snatching him up, but I bet Toronto is going to make a push for him.

Agree, Upshall would be a very interesting option as well, and way the hell cheaper than Hartnell.

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I did say Laich, right? I'm fairly sure I did. Other UFA options:

Ryder (Faster, better shot/shoots more, better overall offense when not playing in offensively dead Boston, less penalties, probably cheaper)

Cole (more offense, similar grit, possible injury concerns however, possibly cheaper)

Tanguay (way more offense, maybe cheaper, but older)

Jokinen (similar offense, better shootouts, way less penalties, cheaper)

There are other options as well, but that's probably the best fits.

Tanguay is far too inconsistent and injury prone. Plus, Calgary has stated they'd like to keep him. Cole has quite the injury history like you said. Ryder's really expensive. Not saying Hartnell is the best option, it was just something I tossed out there. Jussi Jokinen is interesting, but he will have a lot of offers, and we both know Kenny won't overpay.

Agree, Upshall would be a very interesting option as well, and way the hell cheaper than Hartnell.

Yup, he's got a ton of potential and that physical edge many (including myself) feel we need.

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Tanguay is far too inconsistent and injury prone. Plus, Calgary has stated they'd like to keep him. Cole has quite the injury history like you said. Ryder's really expensive. Not saying Hartnell is the best option, it was just something I tossed out there. Jussi Jokinen is interesting, but he will have a lot of offers, and we both know Kenny won't overpay.

Yup, he's got a ton of potential and that physical edge many (including myself) feel we need.

Ryder's going to be cheaper this upcoming UFA, and certainly cheaper than Hartnell. He'd be a great fit imo, speed and shot on the wing.. lord knows we need that in a more consistent combination than Eaves.

Might have to overpay a little for Jokinen, but overpaying Jokinen still wouldn't be as much as Hartnell.

I'm all for adding size and edge with some offense, but not in the form of Hartnell. Adding 140-150 PIM a year, around 100 of those stupid and unnecessary, is not what a team that's had a struggling PK needs to do. Upshall is a much more attractive option. He doesn't have the offense of Hartnell, but it's quite enough for our 3rd line, he'll be way cheaper even if we overpay, and he'll add all the grit with about 80 less PIM in a full year.

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Ryder's going to be cheaper this upcoming UFA, and certainly cheaper than Hartnell. He'd be a great fit imo, speed and shot on the wing.. lord knows we need that in a more consistent combination than Eaves.

Might have to overpay a little for Jokinen, but overpaying Jokinen still wouldn't be as much as Hartnell.

I'm all for adding size and edge with some offense, but not in the form of Hartnell. Adding 140-150 PIM a year, around 100 of those stupid and unnecessary, is not what a team that's had a struggling PK needs to do.

Fair enough. Jokinen's the ideal shootout specialist, which wouldn't hurt us at all. I think our main focus will be on defense this summer, though. I don't really foresee us actually doing too much up front. Maybe a bottom 6 forward. I hope i'm wrong, though.

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Fair enough. Jokinen's the ideal shootout specialist, which wouldn't hurt us at all. I think our main focus will be on defense this summer, though. I don't really foresee us actually doing too much up front. Maybe a bottom 6 forward. I hope i'm wrong, though.

That's another reason for "no to Hartnell". 4.2 in a forward when we need to make some serious D moves? No thanks. If we can shore up our D and then get a forward in the 1.5-3m range, I'd take a good look at that. Fair to say Jokinen and Upshall might fall in there? Maybe escalate the range to 3-3.5 for Ryder or Jokinen, but I think it may be feasible to attain one or the other around or just above 3.

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That's another reason for "no to Hartnell". 4.2 in a forward when we need to make some serious D moves? No thanks. If we can shore up our D and then get a forward in the 1.5-3m range, I'd take a good look at that. Fair to say Jokinen and Upshall might fall in there? Maybe escalate the range to 3-3.5 for Ryder or Jokinen, but I think it may be feasible to attain one or the other around or just above 3.

Yeah which is why Laich won't work here either. If I had my choice, i'd take Upshall, though. I'd prioritize on solidifying our defense before looking at forwards. Shut down defenseman for less than a mil, and a replacement for Rafalski (Bieksa, etc.).

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Yeah which is why Laich won't work here either. If I had my choice, i'd take Upshall, though. I'd prioritize on solidifying our defense before looking at forwards. Shut down defenseman for less than a mil, and a replacement for Rafalski (Bieksa, etc.).

Yep. And while I would like us to see us get bigger/grittier, I don't really think forward is a serious concern there, which is why I'd be equally happy with Ryder, Jokinen, or Upshall.

Our forwards with grit:

Cleary

Helm

Bert

Abdelkader

Holmstrom (in his own special way)

Eaves

forwards with good size:

Franzen

Bert

Abdelkader

Cleary (not tall, but bulky)

Not the best in the league, but definitely not the worst either.

Our D, on the other hand, is small and soft. Lidstrom's of average height and great physical condition for his age, but not gritty by any stretch. Ericcson is tall, but not bulky at all, and not gritty at the moment. Stuart has good size and is gritty. Kronwall is small and has little grit outside his occasional train wrecks. Kindl might as well be Ericsson 2.0. Rafalski was/is tiny.

Need some bulk on the D. I'd also say at center, but we have good centers.

And our front of net is day/night.. our wingers are great at going to the net, but our D can't clear the front of our own to save their own lives. Further evidence of where we need the size/grit, imo.

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They were already in pretty bad shape, probably needing to trade someone to re-sign Leino and fill the rest of the roster.

Assuming the cap goes up $3M and they dump Leighton, they'd have about $5M to sign Bryz, Leino, 2-3 more forwards and a defenseman. Then they have Laperriere to figure out. If they LTIR him again they'd gain another $1.16M to fill his place. The league might not let them LTIR him if it's obvious he can't play again. If he's forced to retire they're stuck with his hit.

If they LTIR Lappy, move Versteeg and Carle, get Bryz for his current salary, and Leino at a pretty conservative $2.5 it would give them around $6M to fill 5-7 spots...I think they have to move someone else. Maybe they move Bobrovsky and/or Shelly to save a few bucks. Maybe dump Mesz instead of Carle.

They struck gold with one Fin Wing, maybe they'd be interested in another...Flip, 1st, Kindl, + maybe another pick for Carter? Probably not, but Kenny should at least be making a call.

I'd be down to make that trade for Carter. He has Size, shoots Right, Center and is a big improvement on Flip. That being said, they may take Abby in this trade over flip due to greater cap relief if we sweeten the pot with a 2nd next year. Not to mention we just sign Wiz, and Pitkanen/Ehrhoff/Bieksa and our d is solid. Next year I'd love to go after Brent Burns as a UFA.

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I'd be down to make that trade for Carter. He has Size, shoots Right, Center and is a big improvement on Flip. That being said, they may take Abby in this trade over flip due to greater cap relief if we sweeten the pot with a 2nd next year. Not to mention we just sign Wiz, and Pitkanen/Ehrhoff/Bieksa and our d is solid. Next year I'd love to go after Brent Burns as a UFA.

Don't see why they'd trade Carter if they just locked him up to a huge, long deal. And on the subject of that, it has an NMC that kicks in after FA iirc. Do you want a 10/11/however the hell long it was deal on an NMC if it's a guy we've never seen on this team? No thanks.

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Don't see why they'd trade Carter if they just locked him up to a huge, long deal. And on the subject of that, it has an NMC that kicks in after FA iirc. Do you want a 10/11/however the hell long it was deal on an NMC if it's a guy we've never seen on this team? No thanks.

Carter doesnt have a NMC.....

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Carter doesnt have a NMC.....

Yes, was incorrect about that. It's a full NTC (can't trade without him waiving, can put him on waivers) until 15-16, then a limited NTC (of the 'pick x teams' variety) thereafter.

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Not sure how defensively sound Matt Carle is. Haven't really watched him enough.

Basically similar to Rafalski, but with more size to help him win physical contests (and better legs at this point). Same weaknesses as Raffi, really: occasional doofy giveaway, coughs up puck under pressure. Plays better in puck movement battles. Like Raffi, good first pass and his timing with jumping into the play is usually solid. Hits about as often (read: almost never). However, he's pretty good about blocking shots. Around a 140/82gp average the last 3 seasons, close to double Raffi's average.

A little better rounded, more size (doesn't use it for much more than blocking shots and protecting the puck a little better), but he doesn't have the offensive creativity or explosiveness that Raffi does.

Also worth noting he stays pretty healthy. Last 3 seasons were 82 gp, 80 gp, 76 gp; 62 GP before that with SJ (some of that may have been scratched), 80gp before that (77 in NHL, 3 in AHL).

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