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#41 Nev

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:20 AM

I don't agree with giving Abdelkader an A.  As Doan so eloquently put it: "How do you have only 11 points playing with Datsyuk?"  He's doing good things without the puck, and I get why he's on Datsyuk's wing now, but the guy should have more points just accidentally from playing with Datsyuk.  He's just not an all-around good player. He's just a poor man's Holmstrom.

 

Obviously its a small sample size, but since the Z-Dats-Abs line has been formed, Abdelkader has been phenomenal.  A lot of the goals Pav + Hank have scored he hasn't got an assist on, but his play has been key.  Last night he was screening the goalie and tying up a defenceman on Ericssons goal - no assist.  The other night he had a hit behind the net which caused a turnover and led to a goal - no assist.

 

Is he as good at screens and deflections as Homer?  No, but who is?  But he sure as hell skates better than Homer ever did and his hitting and puck retrieval has been key to creating the space for Hank and Pav to light it up.  I'm loving what he's bringing to this team right now, even if he isn't putting up as many points, our Euro-Twins are.  If you want a hard-hitting, defenceman crashing power forward who scores like Pav and Hank you need a time machine to get you 2002 Todd Bertuzzi.


Edited by Nev, 28 April 2013 - 11:21 AM.

"If I can be totally honest, it's not a lot of guys you get impressed by. Actually, it's no one else but him. From the bench, to see what move he makes -- you're like, 'I wish I could do that.' Sometimes you sit on the bench and just think, 'wow,' and you look over to the other bench and they sit there and shake their heads, too. He has great, great skills. I'm probably not going to play with another player who has the kind of skills he has." Mikael Samuelsson on Pavel Datsyuk

#42 Dabura

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:21 PM

I love that we have a serviceable power-forward in Abdelkader. He's no Wayne Simmonds, but we're never getting a guy like that. Ever.

 

Abdelkader. Franzen (sort of). Bertuzzi (maybe). Andersson (maybe).

 

Our top-six pool may still be way too soft and samey and playmakerrific on the whole, but we've got some size and strength.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:03 PM

I don't agree with giving Abdelkader an A.  As Doan so eloquently put it: "How do you have only 11 points playing with Datsyuk?"  He's doing good things without the puck, and I get why he's on Datsyuk's wing now, but the guy should have more points just accidentally from playing with Datsyuk.  He's just not an all-around good player. He's just a poor man's Holmstrom.

Agreed.

 

Abdelkader is nothing special...On many teams he'd play on the 3rd line, or 4th line.



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#44 F.Michael

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:23 PM

When he and Abdelkader were in their respective sin bins. We all figured he was launching expletives, but, I think it was Pierre who cleared it up.

 

It actually makes me like him more. Doan, I mean.

Yeah - gotta love the brutal honesty of some players :lol:



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#45 Z Winged Dangler

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:56 PM

I don't agree with giving Abdelkader an A.  As Doan so eloquently put it: "How do you have only 11 points playing with Datsyuk?"  He's doing good things without the puck, and I get why he's on Datsyuk's wing now, but the guy should have more points just accidentally from playing with Datsyuk.  He's just not an all-around good player. He's just a poor man's Holmstrom.



He improved greatly over the season and has been awesome in the 2 nd half. And he gets an A for effort.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:32 PM

My problem with Abdelkader is he hasn't gotten any better. Datsyuk and Lidstrom became gym rats and honed their crafts as the seasons went by. Abdelkader is the same player he was when he broke in.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:30 AM

My problem with Abdelkader is he hasn't gotten any better. Datsyuk and Lidstrom became gym rats and honed their crafts as the seasons went by. Abdelkader is the same player he was when he broke in.

Well - I'll be the 1st to say that it's not that Abby's not trying, or not working hard - it's just that he's not a legit top 6 forward, and will never be...

 

There's nothing in his game that really stands out - be it skill, speed, or physical play...

 

He's a 3rd/4th liner who's lucky in that he's on a team with  a serious drop in both talent/experience on our forward lines once ya get past Dats, and Hank, and he's getting alot more ice time in Detroit than what he'd get if he were on a rival club.



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#48 Dabura

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:16 AM

My problem with Abdelkader is he hasn't gotten any better. Datsyuk and Lidstrom became gym rats and honed their crafts as the seasons went by. Abdelkader is the same player he was when he broke in.

 

Abdelkader actually is a gym rat, I think.

 

I dunno. I have a hard time giving him a hard time for not suddenly becoming a 30-goal scorer. (Actually, with ten in this shortened season, he's projecting pretty positively for an 82-game campaign.) Bottom line: he's a bottom-sixer, basically a fourth-liner, and he's being asked to be a first-line power-forward, because our GM has dropped the ball on the we-need-a-big-mean-scoring-winger-who-can-complement-Datsyuk's-playmaking-skillz front.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:31 AM

My problem with Abdelkader is he hasn't gotten any better. Datsyuk and Lidstrom became gym rats and honed their crafts as the seasons went by. Abdelkader is the same player he was when he broke in.

You don't think he's gotten better from last year? Or even the beginning of this season? Abby leads the team in even strength goals- I don't think anyone would have predicted the season would end with him leading.

 

I think his play in the corners, his play in front of the net, and his decision making have improved. IMO he'll never be the type of player to carry a line himself, but he has learned to be an effective complimentary player on a scoring line.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:34 AM

My problem with Abdelkader is he hasn't gotten any better. Datsyuk and Lidstrom became gym rats and honed their crafts as the seasons went by. Abdelkader is the same player he was when he broke in.


Lets be honest here: You are comparing Abs to the greatest defenseman in the history of the game and the current best player in the world.

Some people have a bit lower ceiling than others...
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:39 AM

Lets be honest here: You are comparing Abs to the greatest defenseman in the history of the game and the current best player in the world.

Some people have a bit lower ceiling than others...


Good point. But the work ethic is what made those 2 great. Abdelkader may not be the most talented, but he hasn't worked his as off either. Datsyuk floors guys Cruz he's put in his weight room time. Abdelkader just bumps guys.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:43 AM

Have to emphasize: going into this season, Abdelkader was comfortably slotted in the bottom six. We're talking like this is his rightful place and he's been at it for three years and so Where's the progress? Where's the improvement?

 

We're really not all that deep up front. I mean, sure, we have a good number of warm, capable bodies - but, for starters, we have zero players like the one Abdelkader's trying to be. Which is, of course, the whole reason he's in this position in the first place.

 

Beyond Abdelkader, and maybe Franzen, and maybe Bertuzzi, we do not have a big, mean, physical forward who can put the puck in the net (many times, and consistently) and really wear down the opposition on the forecheck.

 

So, now you have my positive and negative takes on Kader, I guess.[/bi-polar fan]


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:50 AM

Abdelkader may not be the most talented, but he hasn't worked his as off either. Datsyuk floors guys Cruz he's put in his weight room time

 

1. What makes you say he hasn't worked his ass off? It's not like he floats all over the ice, or has questions swirling around him re: his work ethic.

 

2. What is this thing with the weight room? Babcock called Abdelkader a gym rat earlier this season.

 

We're talking like there's a whole lot this guy can do to suddenly become a first-line scoring threat. It doesn't really work that way. Whereas, if a soft, undersized guy wants to get stronger on his skates? He can push the workout routine, or what have you.

 

Abdelkader isn't failing to score at a fifty-goal pace because of some kind of lack of effort. He's a fourth-line grinder with a very limited offensive upside. That he's scored ten goals is actually pretty remarkable, even with the help and minutes he's had.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:54 AM

 
1. What makes you say he hasn't worked his ass off? It's not like he floats all over the ice, or has questions swirling around him re: his work ethic.
 
2. What is this thing with the weight room? Babcock called Abdelkader a gym rat earlier this season.
 
We're talking like there's a whole lot this guy can do to suddenly become a first-line scoring threat. It doesn't really work that way. Whereas, if a soft, undersized guy wants to get stronger on his skates? He can push the workout routine, or what have you.
 
Abdelkader isn't failing to score at a fifty-goal pace because of some kind of lack of effort. He's a fourth-line grinder with a very limited offensive upside. That he's scored ten goals is actually pretty remarkable, even with the help and minutes he's had.


This guy scored a lot in his per NHL days. I would like to see him come back to that.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 10:09 AM

This guy scored a lot in his per NHL days. I would like to see him come back to that.

 

I think we all would. But then, all these guys were scorers in their younger days.

 

At this level, on this stage, Abdelkader...is a fourth-liner. He knows it, Babs knows it, Holland knows it. Problem is, we're so desperate for a big mean scoring winger that he (of all the people on our roster and in our system) is The Serviceable Solution. Meanwhile, other teams are loaded with the sort of player we're trying to force Abdelkader to be.

 

Basically, if we're gonna throw stones at someone for this, it should be Ken Holland. Almost our entire frickin' top-six pool is populated by soft, undersized, pass-first-playmaking-puck-wizards. And instead of finding a legitimate counterbalance, we lean on Cleary, Samuelsson, Bertuzzi...Abdelkader.

 

This is called "dicking around."


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