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#41 number9

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:13 AM

He's not. And even if he was, that isnt saying much.

Franzen, Z, Fredo, Weiss, Pavs, and Abs are the top 6 guys now. Bert is out.


Based on what? Abs had very little "top6 level" impact in his top 6 role. He was there to be a Holmstrom cause all the other big bodies were injuried. If you think Abs is a top 6 power forward you are high my friend. Tuzzi may be old but he's the better option over Abby, if either of them are even considered.

I'm assuming if you had your way Zetterberg - "Emdog" - Abby would be your top line lol

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 01:30 PM

Based on what? Abs had very little "top6 level" impact in his top 6 role. He was there to be a Holmstrom cause all the other big bodies were injuried. If you think Abs is a top 6 power forward you are high my friend. Tuzzi may be old but he's the better option over Abby, if either of them are even considered.

I'm assuming if you had your way Zetterberg - "Emdog" - Abby would be your top line lol


Abs led our team in even strength goals. Give him PP minutes, and he leads in goals, period.

If I hady way:

Helm-Dats-Abby
Fredo-Franzen-Zetterberg
Nyquist-Weiss-Tatar
Miller-Emdog-Ericsson

Kronwall-Dekeyser
Quincey-Smith
Kindl-Lashoff

Howard
Gustavsson

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:50 PM

Abs led our team in even strength goals. Give him PP minutes, and he leads in goals, period.

If I hady way:

Helm-Dats-Abby
Fredo-Franzen-Zetterberg
Nyquist-Weiss-Tatar
Miller-Emdog-Ericsson

Kronwall-Dekeyser
Quincey-Smith
Kindl-Lashoff

Howard
Gustavsson

You'd take a dman and put him as forward on a team with a dearth of d and a plethora of forwards?

 

Put down the crack pipe, my friend, and step away from the computer.  Now pretend not to notice that I've pocketed it.  (j/k, btw)

 

I'm not sold yet on Lashoff as a full timer.  I think he'll do well, but I don't want to have to rely on him as a regular.  I'd rather see him work in now and again at number 6 so they can see where he needs work and address it.

 

I know Jonny was a forward once, but I wouldn't put him there when we have Eaves that could play (or Tootoo, Bert, or Sammy*).

 

*subject to change without notice.


Edited by 55fan, 04 August 2013 - 02:50 PM.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 03:29 PM

Based on what? Abs had very little "top6 level" impact in his top 6 role. He was there to be a Holmstrom cause all the other big bodies were injuried. If you think Abs is a top 6 power forward you are high my friend. Tuzzi may be old but he's the better option over Abby, if either of them are even considered.
I'm assuming if you had your way Zetterberg - "Emdog" - Abby would be your top line lol

Abs led our team in even strength goals. Give him PP minutes, and he leads in goals, period.
If I hady way:
Helm-Dats-Abby
Fredo-Franzen-Zetterberg
Nyquist-Weiss-Tatar
Miller-Emdog-Ericsson
Kronwall-Dekeyser
Quincey-Smith
Kindl-Lashoff
Howard
Gustavsson


That's one of the dumbest lineups I've ever seen. You're making the best forward a checking line center and the vet defensive dman a checking line wing.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 06:12 PM

I really like the idea of dressing 7 defensemen and using one up front. Ericsson, Kronwall, Kindl, and Smith could all play wing.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 01:05 AM

I really like the idea of dressing 7 defensemen and using one up front. Ericsson, Kronwall, Kindl, and Smith could all play wing.


1) It's not really that easy.
2) that takes one of the better d men off defense.
3) if it was such a great idea it would be done regularly

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:19 AM

according to cap geek, the salary cap is 64 million and the Wings sit at 66 million......and they havent signed their RFA's.....

 

they better shed and it could get ugly


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My wish: A healthy roster

 

 


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:45 AM

 
He has no experience at the pro game yet, and prospects have been ruined when rushed into the NHL.


They've also been ruined when left in the ahl too long, but that never stopped the wings before. We took a chance with Stevie and a few others and it worked out well for us. Why not mantha if he can put 15-20 pounds on

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 02:18 PM

They've also been ruined when left in the ahl too long, but that never stopped the wings before. We took a chance with Stevie and a few others and it worked out well for us. Why not mantha if he can put 15-20 pounds on


I agree. I cant stand it when people factor in Bertuzzi/Sammy into our line ups. They are not helping. Play the kids and get them battle tested as soon as possible.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 12:15 AM

Jonathan Cheechoo to the KHL.
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Posted 08 August 2013 - 10:28 PM

Nikolai Antropov to the KHL.

A lot of players are bolting.
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Posted 08 August 2013 - 11:53 PM

Nikolai Antropov to the KHL.

A lot of players are bolting.


That'll happen when you have one of the worst leagues

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 06:31 AM

Nikolai Antropov to the KHL.
A lot of players are bolting.


Mostly lower tier Russians or border line guys anyway.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 07:55 AM

You'd take a dman and put him as forward on a team with a dearth of d and a plethora of forwards?

 

Put down the crack pipe, my friend, and step away from the computer.  Now pretend not to notice that I've pocketed it.  (j/k, btw)

 

I'm not sold yet on Lashoff as a full timer.  I think he'll do well, but I don't want to have to rely on him as a regular.  I'd rather see him work in now and again at number 6 so they can see where he needs work and address it.

 

I know Jonny was a forward once, but I wouldn't put him there when we have Eaves that could play (or Tootoo, Bert, or Sammy*).

 

*subject to change without notice.

To add to your point, why would we have our BEST shutdown Dman as a 4th line winger??  Some of the lines are intriguing, but the 4th line is just absurd with Ericsson on it where he now truly belongs on a line with Kronwall. 


Nikolai Antropov to the KHL.

A lot of players are bolting.

 

Good riddance.  He is a lazy floating sack of crap.  The Jets will surely be better without him.


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 08:44 AM

Not buying out Bertuzzi and waiting too long with Samuelson was for sure a mistake but it happened and their is nothing the Wings can do about it now. Let's just hope the Alfredsson signing doesn't bite them in the ...Philly is really impressive they from caphell to caphell, Holmer better is hoping for a huge cap increase otherwise their offseason accompt nothing


We can debate not buying out Bertuzzi, but Sammy was outside of Holland's control. Sammy screwed the team by declaring an injury that probably doesn't exist, and you apparently weren't allowed to buy out an injured player.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 10:32 AM

Not buying out Bertuzzi and waiting too long with Samuelson was for sure a mistake but it happened and their is nothing the Wings can do about it now. Let's just hope the Alfredsson signing doesn't bite them in the ...Philly is really impressive they from caphell to caphell, Holmer better is hoping for a huge cap increase otherwise their offseason accompt nothing

We can debate not buying out Bertuzzi, but Sammy was outside of Holland's control. Sammy screwed the team by declaring an injury that probably doesn't exist, and you apparently weren't allowed to buy out an injured player.


He has a torn pectoral muscle. Fact.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 10:50 AM

He has a torn pectoral muscle. Fact.


Sammy could still take the 2 mil and retire on good terms with the Wings.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 11:20 AM

They've also been ruined when left in the ahl too long, but that never stopped the wings before. We took a chance with Stevie and a few others and it worked out well for us. Why not mantha if he can put 15-20 pounds on

 

Ok, but the number of 'Stevie and a few others' is vastly outweighed by the number for which it didn;t work out and for which it was a mistake.  I'm not saying you're wrong.  You might be right.... we're most likely not going to find out one way or the other.  But, odds are... you are wrong.

 

Plus, seriously.... how many times does anyone have to bring up the fact that we have too many forwards on this team?  There isn't a spot for him right now.



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Posted 09 August 2013 - 11:56 AM

 
Ok, but the number of 'Stevie and a few others' is vastly outweighed by the number for which it didn;t work out and for which it was a mistake.  I'm not saying you're wrong.  You might be right.... we're most likely not going to find out one way or the other.  But, odds are... you are wrong.
 
Plus, seriously.... how many times does anyone have to bring up the fact that we have too many forwards on this team?  There isn't a spot for him right now.


Ya we have too many forwards, but if the situation arises where we trade several guys and have an opening on wing I'd like to see what mantha can bring

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:25 PM

Ya we have too many forwards, but if the situation arises where we trade several guys and have an opening on wing I'd like to see what mantha can bring


It wouldnt hurt to give him 5-10 games on the big club over the next 2 years until he matures.





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