I'm just annoyed with the whole "legal interference" talking bit. I keep hearing it and it is picking up steam. Eventually people will just act as if everything is interference by the Wings. I'm just uncomfortable that all the idiot mouthpieces are picking it up and acting as if that alone is allowing us to win. If you repeat stuff enough, people will eventually begin to believe it.
Second goal, I'm sorry but I'm not blaming Petr. He was aggressive, he steps out because for whatever reason NO ONE IS THERE, and then the puck gets behind him and THREE Red Wings can't clear it and the ONE Bruin manages to get it.
Third goal all him.
To me should have only been two, but even then, we are only getting a point. We turtle the entire 3rd period playing not to lose, I don't understand that. It hasn't worked in the past...what...how many years? We always let in a goal when we face a 6 on 5 late in the game. Go for the jugular and put them the hell down.
1) I don't know if it is Holland, Babcock, or the players, but they don't seem to have the willingness to fight. Even when it was a terrible cheap shot.
2) The strange mentality ignoring this aspect of the game. Yeah, skill is great, but if you can't stand up for your team when needed, teams are going to walk all over you. When a team can physically intimidate your guys, can cheap shot and get away with it because no one will do anything, that is a problem.
3) We expect the refs to protect us, but when they don't, we get abused and don't have a backup plan. We've seen this year in and year out. Remember last year with Franzen and Neil? Franzen said this, "I’ve been getting head shots pretty much every year and I don’t think it’s ever been punishment for any of the hits,” and this,“He thinks I’m not tough because I’m not fighting him; what does he have, like 30 fights a year? And he’s been doing that his whole career,” Franzen said. “I’ve never had a fight in my whole life. It’s like me asking him to get hockey sense and good hands or something. I’ve never been fighting, didn’t grow up fighting. For me it’s not a part of the game. I’m not going to fight. I’ve had enough concussions. I’m definitely not going to risk one doing something stupid like that.”
Here Franzen is admitting he gets hit, doesn't get protected by the refs or league, and won't fight. Isn't this the epitome of the Red Wings philosophy? Just play with more skill and it will work itself out right?
4) Ignoring the fact that we do need hard hitters to defend guys. I don't want dirty players. I DO want someone who will stand up for our guys. Not to mention you have two or three guys against us on ice and we have only one guy willing to stand up for us, it will be ugly.
5) Playoffs. This crap gets ridiculous. Not only are things ratcheted up even higher, and generally diving is rewarded, but teams throw down over perfectly clean hits. It is stupid, but that is the current NHL. We can't skate away from that fact. We go into a situation where we expect our skill guys to have to do all the heavy fighting we are in trouble.
6) Teammates need to stick up for each other more. You need to believe a teammate has your back. What if Ericsson wasn't on the ice for that Helm hit? Would anyone else on the ice have done anything?
7) Covering our eyes isn't going to make it go away, and the management and coaching need to realize that.
I don't understand why any team would want this guy. Sure he has some ability still, but you just know that at some point he's going to do something absolutely moronic like this and cost the team as a result. What he did to Marc Savard is unforgivable and he's still doing stuff like that now. Perma-ban this guy and let him try to ruin the careers of guys in the KHL instead.
I think it is so you don't have him on the OTHER team injuring YOUR guys.
Wow, so that is how you score. You mean you aren't supposed to take it into the corner and shoot it at an impossible angle OR pass it in front of the net with no one there?
What's that other thing we do? Oh yeah shoot it from the blue line right at the goalie and don't make him have to shift at all. Last night I guarantee I could have stopped 3/4 of those shots we had with a defense in front of me. I'm not saying I have the reflexes to save them, I'm saying if I just stood there, no way they were going in. Puck goes left to the corner cover that side. Puck goes right cheat to that side. Take a knee hug the post, get hit by the puck, rinse, repeat.
2) Are they going to review hits where a guy stays down and then go back and give a penalty?
3) The head wasn't the main point of contact.
4) He didn't leave his skates until the hit. He didn't jump into him. Not a fan of the technique, but he certainly wasn't headhunting.
5) I thought the hit last game ON him was worse, where he got checked in the back into the boards. It reminded me quite a bit of the type of hit that happened to Draper. Luckily he wasn't any closer to the boards or near the bench, but that was a VERY bad hit as far as what could have happened. That wasn't a hockey play just a cheap shot.
6) This is going to turn into a reaction league. A guy just should stay down like soccer players and see if they can draw a penalty.
7) Initially I didn't think it was a penalty. Since I've seen replays it has looked fine. I don't know how on earth that is a game misconduct.
8) If you watch the Kings and Blues series, worse is happening every other minute.
At first I was with you on this, but in your video you see Neal really let up last minute and try to avoid contact thus showing respect for his fellow NHL'er...Not the case at all with Torres, he wanted to f*** Hossa up, the same way he did with his other sixty-three infractions this season.
Then we simply disagree. I don't see letting up on the contact nor trying to avoid him. The puck is much further away, for a longer period than with Torres. Torres is a harder hit, and has a bigger rap sheet, but I don't see this as any better.
Frankly, I want my D-men to f*** people up, in a cleaner way, but I certainly want that.
All of this IMO has been spiraling downhill for a while, but it was really poignant after the Rome-Horton hit, where because Horton was hurt, Rome got suspended (or a longer one) due to that. Eventually it is going to get to the point where players will stay down, sit out a couple games and give the offender a 10 game suspension.
I respect your opinion, I just don't see the avoidance you claim.
That's exactly the point. When someone on your team gets hit hard....clean or not, you want to send a message that they will need to pay whenever they do that.....try to deter hitting the future, that's exactly what they are trying to accomplish. To be honest, I'd be unhappy if my team didn't respond to hard hits, you have to show that you won't get pushed around.
Another thing to think about....I bet that hit isn't made of it wasn't Sedin...they target star players and try to punish them, you need to respond. If the hit is dirty, the response would be a lot more violent.
I passionately disagree with this. What, so a guy makes a body check or hip check, and then he should be ready to get punched in the face for making a HOCKEY play? I was always told if someone made a clean hit, line him up for a clean one of your own.