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This is pretty much worst case scenario. No cap relief, pissed off goalie and another goalie the team made a commitment to

Mrazek's comments, leaving practice early, and every writer covering him has mentioned his attitude problems. That's enough for me. Add that to him not playing well for a year and a half, being overpaid, and getting benched at the Worlds, I guess I don't have much faith in him. If he stays and performs well than I'll be happy, I don't hold grudges on players but I'm not counting on it

Exposing a player that the organization doesn't like is not the same as losing your touch as a GM. Management doesn't like Mrazek and doesn't see a future here for him and they respect Howard as an inspiring leader for the younger players and the culture going forward. That's the decision made. You have to at least wait to see if he's claimed or how his career plays out or you've gotten yourself all bent out of shape for nothing. This could end up looking like Holland letting Bruner walk and how he was such an idiot for that. I highly doubt he's claimed first of all, secondly if he's claimed 4M of salary lost and we keep Sheahan or Ouellette. I'm personally okay with letting a struggling goalie with attitude leave and just moving on. He's created a lot of problems and hasn't played well for a year and a half. If Vegas flips him for a pick or something oh well

Everywhere else is saying Red Wings are front runner and Philly isn't even in the running

I feel like Darren Dreger legitimately doesn't like the Red Wings

Vegas has said they would be stocking up on defensemen mostly

People complain about the lack of elite talent in the pipeline but this draft is the first real year for the Wings rebuild. It's gonna look better and better as fans going forward. We've pretty much hit rock bottom and with Holland being in a cap crunch theirs not much he can do except rebuild. If Wings can finish bottom 5 for the next two years we'll be in good shape and look back at these years as the dark times

I think based solely on performance Mrazek deserved another shot this year. I think a trade was requested added with the attitude problems and management is just sick of him

Mrazek's attitude problems must be pretty severe if Holland is okay with losing him for nothing and sending a clear message of what management thinks of him. I think of it as Holland basically trying to keep Sheahan over Mrazek but who knows who Vegas takes. Personally I could care less who Vegas takes as long as there's a bit of cap relief. Major focus should be drafting and clearing up some bad contracts

This is so clearly going to to happen and people are just lining up to put their foot in their mouths

I never thought I'd be that person but I think I'll be cheering for the tank next season

The problem is this board value the wings assets like they are directly comparable to others teams players that fill the same role. Veteran goalie Mike Smith goes to Calgary, doesn't mean Holland refused to trade Howard. All signs pointed toward Holland shopping both goalies but you can say it's speculation if you want to continue the Holland bashing. Everyone in the NHL knew both goalies were available

Mike Smith severely underrated on here. He's a true #1 that can be counted on to play the majority of the games every year. Howard is not

10M on goaltending and it's still one of the teams main weaknesses. Howard was the only strength on that tandem last year and with his injury history, Coreau could come in and put up Mrazek numbers for basically free

Holland has been trying to trade a goalie for over a year Mrazek had some hype around the league after we almost beat Tampa in the playoffs but that hype has died. 4M for a small backup goalie that is questionable to ever be a #1 goalie. These kinds of goalie prospects exist on every team in the NHL and they aren't overpaid already approaching UFA status

4M cap relief>Mrazek

I don't think Mrazek likes being a Red Wing and management doesn't see him as a #1 goalie. He had no future here. I'm assuming a trade was requested and Holland couldn't swing a deal so here we are

Smith is a work horse. Proven #1 goalie that plays a lot of games for a very bad team. He was an all star when Coyotes were a playoff caliber team

Let me guess...... needs to work on his skating?

Thanks for the updates guys sounds like it was a great game

Griffs win and some good fights at the end

Watching this on the free AHL preview and the Syracuse announcer is such a homer

edit : wrong thread

Larkin has to play center next season he's lowkey a beast on face offs and has done well with other teams playing down the middle

This may sound blasphemous but Yzerman isn't in the same category as Gretzky and Lemieux imo