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Ya....Dats just hung on and waited for Perry to fall....I didn't see Datsyuk throw any punches at all...let alone land a couple. According to the description of Perry in this thread, he should have just beat the shiit out of Datsyuk then. In that fight he landed just as few punches as Datsyuk did. In this case, since Dats is nowhere near a fighter...he won.

This is what I am saying....if Perry is what describes a Power Forward in todays game, so be it, and I already said a million times I want Perry on this team, but when it comes down to definition of a true power forward, Perry is not it. Last I checked Datsyuk knocked Perry to the ice....

I hate to bump this subject back to the first page, but yesterday I watched two games: Rimouski v. Moncton and Ferris State v. Michigan... I have to say in these two examples only, the quality of play swayed more towards the CCHA game. Just my opinion from watching both games... These two games are just a small sampling of the two leagues, but for me, the CCHA game was much better and more entertaining....and I am a MSU fan, so its not just a Wolverine thing...

as much as I would love Perry here...getting beat up by Datsyuk automatically removes you from the power forward list.... just saying....but if that is the closest thing, then fine...I think of someone like David Backes more of a power forward though...

I doubt it. Besides it's not Babcock that makes that decision...and Holland loves him some Sammy...it is SOP in this organization that as long as the player has options to be sent down, he will. No matter the skill he possesses...when all forwards are healthy, Tatar and Andersson will go back to GR...unless they make it to the time of year when you are allowed to expand your roster. Stupid, yes, but that's Hollands MO. Hey here's a thought...maybe we are all reading it wrong....maybe Tatar IS in the top 6 and Datsyuk got demoted to the bottom 6....hmmmm.....

Quincey's play wouldn't have been icing though...it was a PK. But ya, instead of trying to bury it, he could have flicked it up high. Of course on TV it's an easy play, but on the ice, in the moment, Q was probably just thinking get this down the ice as hard as possible.... OMG....did I just defend Quincey?

It all seems so easy for us...wonder what the motive is for Babcock....seriously. He has to know that Tatar is better than Abby and Cleary, and he has to see what we all see. I just wonder what is the motive....I don't get it. There is a reason that I am not the coach and he is, but I just don't get it...

Well, I guess, but it seems that Cleary and Abby are just dragging him down. Maybe if one of them were there Dats could make that one player better, but when both players are clearly in a whole different class than him, Dats can just shake his head when he makes a great play only to have Cleary screw it up or Abby whiff on the shot... For sure, but my point being Brunner was put there and proved himself worthy...Tatar wouldn't waste to opportunity either. He is already proving he belongs in the NHL, but if given the same playing time as Franzia, I think he plays just as good as Brunner and renders Franzia useless...which he already is anyway.

It's true that we aren't out of the playoff race as of now....I wonder where we would be if Datsyuk had an actual scorer to play with instead of two grinders...With the way Chicago is playing, we wouldn't be any higher than 4th, BUT we'd have a good amount more points and be more solidly in 4th.. Yet Brunner steps right in to a top 6 roll...and proves himself worthy of it...Babcock is baffling...

...but maybe a change of scenery....just kidding! I agree with you all...no thanks. Not that he sucks, but our D is starting to gell fairly well right now. Why change it? Let these guys grow together...I know I was all over the get rid of Q and K bandwagon, most the time I was the driver, but it seems the more they play together, the less I dislike them....like I said above, add Dekeyser for the playoffs and then next year go with what I wrote above...re-sign Kindl and Huskins to shuffle in and out of the #6 spot and injuries...

Name them... BTW, I accept paypal and cash for the use of the nickname.... Kenny is that you?

Well then you would assume that Holland would go after a player like Perry or Penner or Morrow or even Anthony Stewart...but he passed on him on waivers, so does he really want to get harder to play against or does he just want the same team? Bertuzzi and Sammy are not hard to play against. Cleary makes it easy for my 9 year old to play against him and Abby is not a top 6 player. Sure, Babs makes he lines, but Holland controls the team. He has to see the problems here. I give/gave him TONS of credit for Tootoo and almost signing Suter. But to always say he wants to get bigger and tougher to play against and then keeps the likes of Cleary and Franzia on this team, is baffling... He has to know he made a mistake by keeping Franzia over Hossa, he will never admit it, but he needs to fix it. He isn't getting Hossa back, but he can stop the bleeding by letting go of him for something...if nobody wants him, waive him. You are not loosing anything by not having him on this team. It's sad that Holland took that risk on him and lost, but he is no longer the player we had in 2009. Cut your loss and get rid of him. Right now Tatar and Brunner are outplaying him and out-hustling him. Hell Tootoo plays better than he does. If you must keep him, put him on the 3rd line. Bottom line, if Holland wants to get harder to play against, cut ties with Bert, Sammy, Cleary, Franzen. Instruct Babcock to either change the lines up or get fired... I know coaches coach and GM's, well, GM. But Holland runs the risk of losing Datsyuk after next season and making him play with players the likes of Cleary and Abby will make him leave skid marks out of the Joe when he does leave...if you want Datsyuk to stay longer, you have to get him players that are going to win and that are going to highlight his skills...and that still isn't a guarantee he stays. Keep him playing with bottom 6er's and he will bolt for sure...That will be entirely Babs doing and Holland's fault if he doesn't fix it.

I agree. He would be the score of the off-season...that being said, he won't be here. Holland still has all his eggs in the Franzia basket. Joanie Franzia, OUR Power Forward!

I think maybe he heard himself back when he talked about Yakapov....he must have realized he sounded like a d0uche bag....

Get used to this lineup, minus Tatar and Andersson because Holland is not going to get Morrow, Clowe, Perry or anyone. Bertuzzi and Sammy being healthy will be the acquisitions and they are both still under contract next season. He won't buy out anyone. He proved that he doesn't want those type of players by not claiming Stewart off waivers...he seems to think that when all healthy, he has himself a Stanley Cup winning team... Not only is Babcock guilty of CUI, Holland is guilty of MUI...they are both borderline CWI and MWI....

Uh....what was the call? The only thing I would have questioned was that he came like a freight train across the ice and hit him. Maybe charging? But the hit itself, there was noting wrong with it...

Howard played very well today...still has rebound issues though. Drives me crazy! Todays game was not his fault what-so-ever, despite him giving up juicy rebounds all night. If it weren't for him, we had been blown out....yet, if it weren't for Mike Babcock, we had won.

Abby does not suck, he just isn't top 6. He has his 4th line role and he does a great job at it. I am baffled at Babcock and want to know what he is drinking because he needs to be locked up for CUI. It will not hurt to try Tatar with Datsyuk for a couple of games....WTF?!?! I am going to quote myself from earlier: Despite the great play by Jimmy, he still seems to have trouble with the rebound...it's gonna kill us sooner or later! Datsyuk is being wasted with those linemates....Babcock refuses to change it. Fire him. Franzia is Franzia...useless crap. He brings down Z and Brunner nearly as much as Cleary brings down Dats.

In all honesty, as much as I would love a couple of those names here, Holland has proven he is not interested in those types of players because he still believe Franzina circa 2008 is going to come back....and he still thinks Bert is a power forward when healthy... We already had Knuble in the pre-season, could have had Jagr a couple of times already and he already passed on Stewart through the waiver wire...I'd take Morrow for the bottom six with Helm and Tootoo though...but Holland wouldn't. I like our kids, Bert and Sammy need to be bought out. Trade Franzina for a draft pick and then try to add another forward via UFA Tatar - Dastyuk - Filppula Brunner - Zetterberg - Nyquist Morrow - Helm - Tootoo Abby - Emmerton - Andersson Eaves/Miller I think that putting Tatar with Dats and putting Nyquist as another setup guy with Z and Brunner would be heads and tails better than what we have now. Putting someone like Morrow on with Helm and Tootoo would make that 3rd line a ***** to play against and they can also get about 30 goals between them... I would love Perry here, but I don't even think Morrow will happen, let alone Perry. I think we will be stuck with Franzia, Bert and Sammy next year as well...

Won't happen....with Detroit and Toronto joining the same division next season, this is the same situation as Columbus refusing to deal with Detroit... Besides, our guys are gelling right now, pretty well. Add Danny Dekeyser and our D will rock into next season...I still don't like Q, but that's me, he is at least playing pretty solid right now, I can say the same for Kindl. I know Cola is on the roster next season but put him on waivers after training camp... Kronwall - Ericsson Quincey - Smith Dekeyser - Lashoff Kindl (Huskins for depth)

if its true what Babcock said, then he should be fired....flat out fired. Cleary and Abby playing like shiit while Tatar is scoring from a 3rd line role and he hasn't even considered it? Won't consider it? So, he refuses to experiment to better his team? That sounds like grounds for termination to me. Calling Larionov, Calling Larionov, you have a telephone call at the front desk.... I like Abby, he could possibly stay there with Dats and Tatar, but having him and Cleary there makes no sense at all... Is Cleary Babs son-in-law or something? *** lover? I'm just saying...

Green was drafted by Washington with the draft pick we gave them....technically he was part of the deal, but not really when the trade was made....

regarding the loser point....I would accept the rule IF the teams made it to a shootout, then the loser can have a point, but if a team loses in OT, there should be no point.... just to be clear, I am not for the loser point at all, or the shootout, but if there has to be a loser point it should only be awarded if you earned your way to the shootout...

If Babcock would put together the correct lines, we wouldn't be debating the Kane shootout (lack of) move(ing.)

yep....blame this lose on a lack of offense. I blame this on Babcock.