LeftWinger
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You are choosing Emmerton and Mursak over Miller and Eaves? Miller outplayed Emmerton and Mursak both together.... Also I think Smith will be higher than #7. But I do like Wideman instead of Quincey... BTW, does anyone know anything further on Eaves? Will he be able to play this fall? I have not heard a single word on his health...
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I think if Holland signs 2 UFA defensemen, whoever they are Suter and ?????? then Quincey is out.... I understand to apprehensiveness of giving Schultz so much money being unestablished. Its a gamble...Holland is more of a veteran D too, I guess we will see soon! Too bad I have to work Sunday....
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Report: Alain Vigneault confirms Roberto Luongo wants to leave Canucks
LeftWinger replied to Hockey13Playa's topic in General
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399234 Looks like Luongo has his destination picked out.....and it ain't Toronto! (or anywhere else not named Panthers for that matter...) -
Ok, according to the 4th period, here are the list of UFA's that Detroit is reportedly interested in....I will leave out the obvious two: Justin Schultz Jaromir Jagr Dennis Wideman Jason Garrison Travis Moen Paul Gaustad Kristian Huselius Daniel Winnik They mention Hudler too, but I really think Hudler will not be here... ...so not including Parise/Suter there are some folks they may be on the plan B radar...interesting they don't list the Wings interested in Semin... Also I don't know if it means anything or if the logo's of the interested teams are just randomly placed, but the WIngs logo is listed first next to Suter/Parise/Hudler & Winnik... Interesting as well....
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I agree, but the only problem with having too many D men and HAVING to trade one, you won't get value for them and you may just have to waive them. It's a toss up.... But I guess if Schultz only has eyes for losing on a Canadian team then it doesn't matter....Sign Suter and Quincey and go from there... Speaking of Edmonton, I would like to squeeze Petry out of that organization...he is an RFA who made $1M last season. I know Holland doesn't do RFA's too often if at all, but Petry would be nice here to play along side Smith as well...
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The only thing keeping him from here right now is the uncertainty of playing in Detroit and NOT as a #7. That all hinges on Quincey and whether or not he stays...my POV has been beaten to death when it comes to Quincey. I can only hope Holland signs Suter and Schultz thus pushing Quincey to the door. Contrary to a certain user here, Quincey is NOT above White or Ericsson on the pecking list and Smith will not be #7, so if Suter and Schultz come, Quincey is out....not unless Big E or White gets traded...
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But...But...But....they got all world WIsniewski whom seems to be worth $5.5M per year... I wonder if he still likes where he is, especially after they dump Nash....oh ya, they got Jack Johnson too! I still think Wiz would have been better off here for $4M...he would have played with Lidstrom last year and would be playing with Suter this year...oh well, now he is where he makes a lot of money...too bad it's Columbus...
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Drake has a great point...this is why I argued with centcougertownyahoo that Detroit is a place where players sign and more times than not end their careers here... The pens fans like to make fun of living in Detroit, but I guess they don't realize that where the players live is actually one of the richest counties in America. Ya, I guess those two guys were the flavor of the week in Pit.. I am glad Staal realized what type of crap organization this was and decided not to accept that 10 year offer...Wonder is Cindy is going to have the balls to flip the bird at that mickey mouse organization one day? (no offense meant to New Jersey with that comment) EDIT:speaking cougar, wonder where he went?
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Ok, right or wrong, its all irrelevant until Suter and Schultz is signed.... In your scenario, Holland signs Suter and Schultz. Where do YOU put Quincey and which defenseman do you get rid of? We cannot have 8 defenders. You are putting him ahead of White/Ericsson. Which one are you getting rid of?
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...nevermind...my bad. Silly oh me!
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Dude what is so difficult to understand? I am saying IF Holland signs Suter and Schultz...here is your lineup Kronwall/Suter White/Ericsson Smith/Schultz Quincey would be #7 in that lineup....period. Are you saying Ericsson should be #7? Because Smith or Schultz will not be... Kindl would be #7 if Quincey walks... What part aren't you understanding? Holland only gets Suter, then yes, re-sign Quincey and he will be in the lineup...if Holland doesn't get anyone UFA, then yes re-sign Quincey... BUT IF HOLLAND GETS SUTER AND SCHULTZ, QUINCEY IS PUSHED OUT OF THE TOP 6. That is all I am saying...
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Suter #20 for sure...I would give Miller, #26, it won't be used anymore. Parise is a bit harder, #90 just doesn't look right, it was ok for Modo because it was a one year last hurrah, even then it looked funny. #91 is out, I think the next person to wear that if anyone will be the kid they drafted this year who wears it (sorry the exact kid's name slipped my head at the moment.) I would say that he may get a whole different number...#15, #14 (I am sure Nyquist would gladly choose another one) #22, #24 (although I think Mike McKee will be the next to wear that one) #25 is open too as well as #28. I highly doubt Gordie allows them to give #9 to him, and i am not suggesting that to do or will...oh and #23 is available as well, forgot! If Quincey walks, then #27 is there too! Sidenote on #23 & #27, Zach's father, JP, wore both of those numbers in his career.... Hmmmm....I wonder if Weber did follow Suter here next year, would Ilitch give him #6? Indeed an interesting situation. I would say #16 is out of the question.. of course there is no rules against a #66 in Detroit...too bad Parise cannot have #99....
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Really? Damn! No crap dude...but those are his only options. He got the qualifying offer from Holland already. But if Holland lands Suter and is really on the trail of Schultz like the media thinks he is and gets those guys signed July 1st, Kyle has to either accepet the $3.125M or explore RFA. If he accepts the $3.125M then he will be the #7 guy riding the pine most nights, so he may as well see if he can get signed somewhere else...if Holland signs both those guys, Quincey is not needed here. Not because I don't like him, but it's just the facts. Smith is not going to sit and Schultz will be at a $3M cap hit basically and nobody making $3M is going to sit in the press box, whether it's Schultz or Quincey, so Quincey would be dealt. So, If Holland lands both, Quincey is out and Holland will gladly accept a 1st and a 3rd for someone he only gave up a 1st for...besides they got the guy they wanted in the 2nd round this year, so he didn't even miss that 1st pick he gave up....letting Quincey go ONLY AFTER SUTER AND SCHULTZ ARE SIGNED is the obvious thing to do. Now, if they don't get the UFA's then Quincey has a home... edit: besides, I don't like Hudler and Holland is finally letting him go! So there!
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I think Ryan Suter's mailman once delivered for UPS in the Minneapolis area and I think the Parise's were on his route...not confirmed. I would call it an E3 though....
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Guys! Duh! The Obvious choice is Lidstrom!
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Chelios? I would love to see Larionov or Fetisov but I think they are happy with what they are doing...
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The only thing I wouldn't mind about Schultz NOT signing here is if Holland was going to pursue Weber next season. That being said, it is well known that Holland is in hot pursuit of Schultz, at least its been reported, but I think that the likes of Dekeyser being available and us already owning McKee, the D is in pretty good shape without him. Suter is a must. Schultz would be a nice piece to add. OF course if Holland wants to land DeKeyser after his senior year, he will need to keep a spot open next year. Another reason Quincey is extra luggage and needs to be let go. Kronner/Suter White/Ericsson Smith/Schultz (whoever) next year Kronner/Suter Smith/Schultz Ericsson/Dekeyser (whoever) three years Kronner/Suter Smith/Schultz Ericsson/Dekeyser McKee ...Weber would be great, but I do like our D in few years with Schultz/Smith/Dekeyser/McKee. Weber will be expensive and we will already have Suter making a ton...
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Parise or not...I have a feeling Semin will be here. It'd be nice if they signed all four Suter/Parise/Semin/Schultz. I am wavering from my dream roster until they are not available anymore, but even with Parise and Semin up front and Suter and Schultz in back, the Wings are tons better than last year, offense and defense.... I too don't think they would be able to afford them, not unless they took major discounts...even over on that pens forum a lot of folks were saying that they hope that Shero doesn't pay them too much...a few also seem to think Parise to them, Suter to us which would be fine with me....there are nice plan b options for offense out there. I am still not counting out Doan until he is re-signed in Phoenix or somewhere else. Honestly I think Pit would benefit from Doan too...
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I did answer it. Ok, it's because Holland won't trade any of our good players...and I just bashed Franzen's long contract not Franzen. He should be available for trade along with Cleary. But Holland over-values these guys and never seems to entertain the option of trading them. Or if he does, nobody wants them. I can't say I blame anyone for not wanting a player who says he gets bored while playing...except Holland.
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...and have them back here in time for 2pm press conference! ...speaking of Sunday, I am mad yet excited that I will be working til 3pm that day...Mad because I won't be able to have the coverage on all day, BUT the last time I worked on UFA day, I came in from outside looked at the computer and the headline read "Red Wings Sign Marian Hossa" so I am excited to be surprised again with a couple of similar announcements....
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What will define Kenny if he doesn't land one of the UFA's and then doesn't do much else but "kick the tires" is not his past, but it will be his unwillingness to part with valuable assets to better his team. If it's true that both Parise/Suter are looking to go where the most talented players are to play with, then the Red Wings with Bobby Ryan on this team is a helluva lot more attractive than this team with an admittedly lazy and bored Johan Franzen. Also, how attractive would it be to all three Americans, who will represent their country for years and YEARS to come, to all play together in the NHL as well? Also with Jimmy Howard who will more than likely be on Team USA for the bulk of his career as well... I am not saying that Anaheim would take Franzen off our hands, but somehow, someway Holland needs to make this team more attractive to Suter and Parise...if trading Franzen/Nyquist/2nd to Anaheim for Ryan gets the job done, then do it. This is what will define Holland's off season...whether or not he will let his balls loose enough to do WHAT HAS TO BE DONE to make this team survive the next 20 years...he's been kicking the tires for a few years now, it's time to upgrade those things!
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ageed, plus they lose Niskanen...I know they want to trade Martin, but they have to have a taker. I am sure since they are trying to clear cap space, they wouldn't want players in return... are there any rules in the CBA against trading a player the caliber of Martin for a "bag of pucks" just to dump his cap hit?
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Like I said in the other Parise thread...make your offer the most attractive ANYWAY you can. You can only offer them so much money per the CBA and a lot of teams out there can offer the same amount, so you have to make your offer the most attractive. Offer ANY and EVERYTHING you can to get these guys here...then tell the rest of the NHL to suck it!
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Kenny will have just as much cash to offer both of them...I know you guys are convinced that Z will be the C, but hear me out, if that C is something Kenny has to dangle in front of Suter or Parise in order to have a trump on everyone else, then so be it. In this knock down drag out fight called UFA, you have to make your offer the most attractive to the player...Pit can offer the max, Minny can offer the max, a lot of teams can offer the max, Detroit can offer the max...but Detroit also has a vacant C they can offer... I know you guys have said the C needs to be earned, but you cannot tell me these guys haven't earned a C in all their years in the NHL. Holland and Babcock respect these guy to the nth degree (along with Z) and I am sure they would not hesitate to put that C on one of them if that were the deciding factor between $8M in Pit and $8M in Detroit... I am sure Z wouldn't mind either, if it meant landing these guys and winning multiple Cups for the remainder of his contract...when it comes down to everyone being able to offer the same amount of cash, it's all about presenting the most attractive package.
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Watch your mouth! You meant to say Schultz....I know you did...