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Good question...maybe Shero was the only one to answer the phone...I just wonder if Holland is gonna stay with Mac or upgrade....

Honestly, they would both look nice here and add to our lineup something we lack...and I don't think that the OP's salary's for the both are too high either. With that being said, I don't think neither of them are worth a 1st and a 3rd round draft pick. Holland would be trading 2 1st's and 2 3rd's for Oshie and Kane... I can think of a couple of better players that I'd give that up for...Rick Nash being someone worth 2 1st's for sure.

Awwwwww....Poop! Guess that part of my "roster" won't happen now... I didn't think he would get $2M per year anyhow...too expensive for my "roster." Guess I will jump on the Harding bus until he is either here or gone... Vokoun well worth the 7th round pick, but $2M is pushing the limit...I was thinking more like $1M since he signed in WAS for $1.5M and lost his starting job to a rookie on an EL contract, that doesn't sound like he deserves too much of a raise, but this is probably why the CBA is gonna be a doozy again this year! I hope this doesn't mean the "top" UFA's will be getting $9M & $10M offers.... EDIT: Didn't know this, but I just saw that Nabokov re-signed a year with the Ilses...$2.750M. So much for not wanting to be there and so goes his chance at a Cup! I guess I'd rather see him stay there, than go to a rival!

Actually, with Holland's track record, there is no reason not to believe everything will okay. Is he facing a huge adversity for the first time in his GM career? Sure, but this is what he gets paid to do and he has had great success before, so until is indeed fails (which he hasn't yet) like I said, there is no reason not to believe everything will be okay... We have no first round pick this year, BUT, if Holland allows Quincey to explore his options around the NHL and he signs somewhere else, Holland will have TWO 1st round and TWO 3rd round picks in 2013. One of those 1st rounders could very well be a top 10 if Quincey signs with a bottom dweller. Which may also be used in a trade scenario, Holland could get a nice player back for a top 10 1st round pick...I realize that this is all speculation and relies on Quincey signing an offer sheet somewhere else, but with the 4 or 5 prospects that are NHL caliber, even if this doesn't happen, I still think the Wings will remain competitive... Exactly how many early round exits did the Wings have between the 1998 and 2002 Cups? 99, 00, 01...two 2nd rounds and a 1st round exit...That didn't really deter a few UFA's from coming here then. Same with 2002 to 2008...we had a couple of first round exits then. I have said it before, Detroit may not get ALL the high end UFA's available but the ones they want, they usually get. Those UFA's may not get the highest salary, but when they do sign here, they usually finish their career's here...why is that I wonder?

No way, Helm is the deal breaker... There has to be a young prospect that could be thrown in there instead. I don't mind trading Kindl or Franzen, but I say no to trading Helm...Would they take Abby in his place? I would hate to trade him either, but if it is down to one or the other, Abby has to be the one... This would be something though: Trade for Green and Laich, sign Vokoun, Wideman & Semin... (that is if Suter and Parise fall through) that would weird acquiring 5 NEW players all from the same team! Although Suter and Parise seem to be the #1 priorities, I think if Holland landed those 5 listed, it wouldn't be so bad....Add Doan to the mix as well, I think we are sitting pretty good, even if we lost out on Suter & Parise, then next year, throw the basket at Weber! Slap! Ok, Ok, I am awake now...thanks!

Why is it, when we talk about "floaters" in the NHL, it always seems to be European players? Do these Euro's just don't care when it comes down to it? Is the NHL not as important to them? Do they get their money and just mail it in for the rest of their careers? Are there any North American floaters? I am not singling out the Euro's, but it just always seems when the word "floater" is brought up, it seems it is always referring to a European player...More times than not...What about the term "locker room cancer" I hear this thrown around alot and that seems to have been said more so of Euro's too, but at least I have heard it about a few NA's...strange if you ask me...wonder what is behind this...coincidence?

No....not that he is not worth the money, but there is no way Holland gives up 4 first round picks for him... Now, if he only signs a 1 year with Nashville and he becomes a UFA next July? Yes...throw the bank at him...especially if we already have Suter!

No, not even...Holland HAS to qualify him with a contract since he is a RFA, or he will become a UFA. He made $3.125M last season, and that is all Holland has to offer him to "qualify" him. He will probably not accept that contract and will look elsewhere for more. If he signs a contract offer ANYWHERE ELSE in the salary range of $3,013,435 to $4,520,150, Holland gets compensated with a 1st AND a 3rd round pick if Holland does not match...nothing personal, just business. Especially if Holland lands Suter and maybe picks up another NHL ready #5/#6 defenseman... If they sign Quincey for $4M, then I think that is flushing the first rounder down the toilet. On this team, Quincey is just not worth $4M...IMO. Especially if he is going to be #4/#5/#6 ranked...he is more valuable on another team, especially if Holland lands Suter...You could never TRADE Quincey for a first and a third, but since he is an RFA due to make upwards of $4M, you may as well take the compensation...

The world isn't over on July 1st if Holland doesn't get Parise or Suter (not until December 21st) there are plenty of Plan 1a options out there that will cost a ton less... These players have all been mentioned or listed by us, news media, etc... plenty of times so I won't get into the names. Do I want Suter and Parise? Sure! But if we don't get both or even one, Holland will have his tricks up his sleeve. The only thing I hope is that if they sign elsewhere, its because someone overpaid them, not because of personal feelings towards Detroit or that Holland only offered them $5M or something. The only way I am mad at Holland is if these guys wanted to come here, bu Holland didn't offer them enough. If they signed aomewhere else for $7.5M or less and expressed interest in coming to Detroit for the same salary, then I will be upset with Holland for not wanting to pay them...but like I said, I hope Holland tries to get both and offer's them a huge salary to come here, but if he tries (without lowballing them) and they don't sign here, that is fine too, just make this better and I will be happy!

Players I DON'T WANT to see sign in Detroit: \ Jiri Hudler, Kyle Quincey, Ty Conklin...

Quincey is not going to sign here for less than $3.5M, Holland is a genius. Trade a 1st rounder for a guy, see if he helps or solidifies your D (he doesn't) then qualify him, let him explore RFA and sign elsewhere, receive a 1st AND a 3rd as compensation...you cannot script it better than that! Pretty much, trade a 1st for him, trade him for a 1st and 3rd... I hope Columbus signs him!

Jeff Petry would make this team, over BOTH Quincey and Kindl... I'd take that exchange in a minute! Also Corey Potter would be a good #5/#6/#7 over Kindl for sure!

Ya, no GM would ever want to do that..sign a 40 year old who sat out a year.... http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/wings/2006-07-31-hasek_x.htm ...oh wait...

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Dont know what you are smoking man....Quincey only made $3.125M and there is NO WAY neither Helm or Abby have earned a $2M contract yet....Helm MAYBE could get $2M if he wanted to hold Holland hostage and look for offers elsewhere, but then that would just show what kind of player he is...Abby doesn't get above $1.25M. $3M TOTAL is the MOST these two will cost to re-sign...Quincey will be gone. On this team he is not even worth $3.125M, but unfortunately if Holland wants the picks in return, he has to tender him a qualifying offer of just that, $3.125M. If Kyle signs ANYWHERE else for $3M-$4.5M, Holland gets a 1st and a 3rd for him in return. Holland couldn't trade him for a 1st & a 3rd, so he would be stupid to offer him anything that would be considered over-payment for a #5/#6 defenseman (on our roster) and let him get an offer for $4M from someone. Sure he is a top 4 league wide, but not here, especially not if they sign Suter and Schultz...

Honestly, if he is as good as he is touted, then Holland CAN guarantee him time in Detroit. With Lids/Stuart (more than likely) gone. Kindl has been a bust in my opinion and he really has noone in GR that has earned the right to be here full time (other than Smith obviously) so Schultz can come in be #6 along side Smith or Big E and keep Kindl at #7...that is if they want to save SOME Cap space and let Quincey walk and only sign Suter/Schultz... Kronwall-Suter White-Smith Ericsson-Schultz Kindl I would like Wideman at #5/#6 but Schultz would cost about $3M less and like i said, if he is as good as he looks...bring him on! Note: I did comment before on signing him for GRR along with Dekeyser and Welsh, but if he is ligit NHL ready, bring it! Save some Cap for deadline!

I didn't say I didn't agree with you, I was just trying to be diplomatic...

Uh...it will not cost any more than $3M total for Helm and Abby and that is estimating high. More like $2.5M....second Quincey won't even be here unless he accepts Holland qualifying offer of $3.125M...Holland would be stupid to pass up on getting a 1st and a 3rd pick for losing Quincey. Quincey will get offers of $3.5M+ and that is too much for where he is going to fall on the Red Wings pecking order and that is #5/#6...

No offense, but instead of your idea, you could always not click on the thread and then you wouldn't have to type the same things....or maybe you could create a thread topic that you think folks would want to discuss things in...really, what else do you want to talk about? It's our off season, we lost Lidstrom, going to lose Stuart, so obviously there is a need to acquire someone. Do we need SO many thread with the same topic? No, but if you don't want to deal with it, don't click on it...

My Custom Lineup FORWARDS Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Shane Doan ($4.500m) Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m) Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) Travis Moen ($1.250m) / Darren Helm ($1.350m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.200m) Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m) / DEFENSEMEN Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m) Ian White ($2.875m) / Dennis Wideman ($4.000m) Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) Tomas Vokoun ($1.100m) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,808,712; BONUSES: $37,500 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $191,288

I meant his roster spot when Hudler is no longer there. As with the other guys I mentioned. I should have specified.

Had to go with Parise-Doan-Suter since Holland will NOT be giving up all those draft picks to sign Weber this summer... Glad to see Doan is on their radar, I don't get the hate on him because he whined about the refs, don't we all do that every game and wish that someone on the team would call the refs out once in a while? I will take Parise to replace Hudler, Doan to replace Holmstrom, Moen to replace Mursak/Emmerton and Wideman to replace Stuart, oh and Vokoun to replace MacDonald. That is with a $70M Cap... As long as we are hoping against hope: Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Shane Doan ($4.500m) Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m) Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) Travis Moen ($1.250m) / Darren Helm ($1.350m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.200m) Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m) Ian White ($2.875m) / Dennis Wideman ($4.000m) Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) Tomas Vokoun ($1.100m) ------ SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,808,712; BONUSES: $37,500 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $191,288

Hey, did I just see Ashton Kutcher lurking around? You all been punk'd!

Alas, if only I could look half as good at 42...maybe its because I am not super human? That sure would be a toss up! When Yzerman was scoring 60 goals and getting MVP votes, he sure seemed unstoppable...like I said, great company! In their primes, all four were HOF's in the making!

That's a bold statement (and not just because I bolded it) considering that we have all seen Yzerman, Fedorov and Shanahan play for the Red Wings in their primes as well...great company for sure! Most consistent? Iron Man? Absolutely!