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after further review, as long as he has no problem adapting to the smaller rink and tighter defense, I'd take him as a Hudler replacement.

Much like when everyone was saying Suter was from Minni also...I agree with you 100%!

It's because Niemi was one of those one and done goalies, much like a few others that have won the Cup once and have made crap since... Cam Ward anyone?

Ugh....I think even if they lose in the finals, he gets convinced that they were so close that he then will re-sign in NJ to try it again with the same team. I hope not...but man every game they win stabs me more and more in the heart...

For all intensive purposes, I understand him...

Technically, yes, but it would be in 17 years...if you a concerned about being on par with us, we had 4 in 12. And if you are looking at total playoff success and rounds won...well...no comparison... The amazing thing would be 4 Cups in 17 years with the same goalie. If they win, then no doubt, it'll have to be Detroit v. Devils next season to decide...

Hmmmm....something tells me this mat gets well used...

Ya, because he won the Conn Smythe and everything...You can throw it away if Zetterberg or Datsyuk or even Osgood weren't there...along with throwing away all of Franzen's goals.

no, I said experiment all you want, but get your job done this summer. Without using the name Suter, I would think that most people would understand that means do what you need to do then look for depth experiments. But by the looks of it, I guess they don't. "Please Mr. Holland, make this team better than last year by getting the best available player on D and O. I like that you are looking at depth signings too! Please don't make them you first priority..."

Well, without sounding like I am on their dicks, it nice that the article refers to them maybe wanting Detroit as much as Detroit wants them, AND a "senior executive" saying he understands they are a package deal...I see $15M-$16M being spent very wisely this July 1st. Secure our Future. 10 yrs each. Get it Done! I see my dream roster quite possibly happening...now all we need is that Cap to go up so Lidstrom can come back too!

I am no longer getting my hopes up for either, that way when it doesn't happen, I will not blow a gasket...(too much)

Hey at least there are some folks willing to explain why they think I am in the wrong! Thank you guys! Hey, Holland is gonna do what he is gonna do...Sure Suter may hate Detroit and will take less NOT to come here, that is fine too. I just don't see why everyone is getting excited over these guys who couldn't make it in the NHL before, didn't we learn our lesson's with Leino and Brunnstrom? I guess he could pan out to be a nice #6 or #7, I just don't hear no talk from Holland about being interested in Suter, he sure talks about guys over in Europe enough, you would think that he would say something...Hey, hopefully he signs everyone he wants to and turns this team back right...

Really Awesome!

Awesome!

Anyhow, the space where Illitch wants the new Arena is behind the Fox which right now has a few buildings and a bunch of parking used for Tiger Games. I am sure the Arena will encompass everyting between Adams and I-75 and Grand River and Park Ave's. The GAR is under remodel so it will stay as will the Historic Church on 2nd and Columbia...I think the area between Cass and Grand River from Adams all the way up to Columbia should be filled with Shops and Restaurants as well as behind the Church. Somehow incorporating the Old GAR and Church into the whole experience would make that area look awesome! I think He and Ford missed a glorious opportunity to have a setup between the stadiums on Brush Street, if they weren't so close together, there could have been restaurants and bars and shops all up and down Brush in bewteen the two, but now its just a road. And although the view of the city is nice from Comerica, it's time to get rid of the whales on the David Broderick Tower...it's time...

With the direction our Government is heading us, it just may have to!

Nicely put...I just hope Holland spends that cash for a couple of FA's that are gonna lead this team to our next Cup after the Dat's and Z's retire...

I'm afraid you are right...that is why Howe, Yzerman will not be in the name. They may have promenades in the Arena, but ya, it'll be "Highest Corporate Bidder" Arena. Money talks...(and helps the cause as well)

True, and since the City is always in such a damned hurry to demolish icons of the city, they would want it down immediately! I can remember when Tiger Stadium shut its doors in 99' the city immediately started talking about demolition. When they built the new Cass Tech High School, the historic old building didn't last one year...but the let rotting neighborhoods sit for decades...streets with 9 out of 10 houses burned out and uninhabitable. But when it comes to history, tear it down NOW! Look at the old Stadium site now, and fenced in overgrown field and you can barely see the old infield. Which just refers back to who or what is running this city... Anyway, I do recall that the aquarium was proposed by Illtich, and of course since the city does own the Joe, they'd have to ok it, but in regards to Cobo, I think the expansion project was put on hold with all the City Counsel fiasco a few years back... I think, as long as we get the right people in charge of the city, an aquarium would be a much better attraction than expanding Cobo for pretty much to accommodate just one event a year...it is also my opinion that they should have kept Cobo Arena open. Even though it only holds 12,000, it was still the best place to see a live concert! Now it's gonna be a banquet hall...really Detroit? A Banquet Hall? I can see that working out very well! Typical of our city though! We need fresh blood in this city, fresh idea's...So many lost gems it is truly truly sad...Some of histories BEST concerts were at Cobo Arena...The brains in Detroit are retarded...

I am sure if Holland has $1M for him, he will have some energy to sit in the press box. I love him, don't get me wrong, but I am ready for the next wave. I guess for a 13th or 14th forward, he is better than most and do not want our "future" (which I am still skeptical off) sitting in the press box...

The truth behind our decline is a waning system that seems to be faltering...Holland continues to go with the same type of players both up front and on D. It seems we will never know if our future is bright because Holland keeps signing the same players every year. This should have been a year sans Bertuzzi, Holmstrom, Hudler & possibly Lidstrom. But we are stuck with Bertuzzi for two more (at a higher salary) and the talk is Holmstrom is wanted back if he is ready. So if Holmer and Lidstrom come back, and we know Holland is more than likely going to attempt to re-sign Hudler, when do we get to see our future? This system of letting our prospects overripen in the minors is getting annoying to me. If they aren't good enough, don't draft them, if they are ready bring them up. Please, PLEASE stop drafting 5 year projects before this team ends up a team full of Kopecky's... Holland, I am calling you out, MAKE AN IMPACT this year!!!

in the rest of the post you quoted I did mention Suter, of course we'd have to sign Suter and Lidstrom, then trade Quincey. That would be still: Kronwall-Suter White-Lidstrom Smith- another UFA like you mentioned ($1m-$2M) Kindl That's if it took Big E and Quincey to get Perry...Which I think is a pretty good package I believe...

Perry has scored 50 and has been an MVP before. If I am making a trade for either him or Iginla, Perry is my first choice...even over Parise. If Anaheim needs D, then Quincey and Stuart could help. Maybe Fil, (sign and trade)Quincey, Stuart(rights) and another prospect or maybe Big E (not Smith) ain't such an EA Sports trade afterall? Perry is just over $5M (of course he only has one more year left so you's HAVE to re-sign him.) Could you imagine the Red Wings with Perry, Parise, Suter AND Lidstrom coming back? Of course that would be if the cap increased, but that would (at least on paper) be a pretty impressive team!

I am not quite sure, but Iltich was planning at one time on using the Joe and turning it into an aquarium. So I am not sure about demolishing it, but gutting the inside will definitely happen and it would be awesome to have some stuff from there! I worked the bench one day for my son's hockey team and I was working the door on the Wings bench that leads right down to their Wings locker room. I would love to have the bench from there, it looks like an old piece of crap wooden plank, but man, think of the rears that sat on that thing! History!

Amway Center? :puke: Sounds like a shopping mall full of $1 stores... I understand the local ties with Amway, I guess if the went that way there are plenty of other options too...Meijer Garden's anyone? Maybe go all the way back in Detroit's history and go with Cadillac Centre? Those are three I could live with: Delta Centre Meijer Gardens Cadillac Centre edit: I also like PNC Place...