Wings/Ducks trade idea

[TNBT 3]

The way I see it, the Wings and the Ducks are perfect trading partners. One of the major complaints/fears of Wings fans is the lack of young defensive talent to come through behind Lidstrom and Schneider. Up front, we have way too many centers. The Ducks, on the other hand, seem to be in the opposite situation. With Neidermayer and Pronger, combined with their other defensemen, they are perhaps the strongest team in the league on defense. Up front, however, they look like they could use some scoring-line talent. The Pronger trade cost them one of their top young forwards in Lupul, and with the defensive core they have, they were built to win now. Perry and Getzlaf are great talents but they're still young, Selanne is proven but getting older and it's still not known for sure whether McDonald can consistently carry a big part of the offensive load.

The Wings need young defensemen, and the Ducks have a guy that would be perfect for us in Francois Beauchemin. He's an important part of their defense but with Pronger and Neidermayer able to carry a lot of ice time, as well as some solid if unspectacular support from guys like O'Donnell, the Ducks can afford to move him if it helps to give them some more firepower up front. As I said before, the Ducks are built to win now, and adding a guy like Lang to center their top line with Selanne would give them some offensive power, and it would mean that the youngsters like Getzlaf and Perry aren't expected to carry the offensive load.

Now I don't know if a straight-up trade of Lang for Beauchemin works under the salary cap, so maybe a pick or a prospect could be thrown in either way, but I'd like to know what people think of the idea of a Lang for Beauchemin-based trade.

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Lang straight up could bring in a much better defenseman than Beauchemin.

And from an Eastern Conference team like Atlanta or Montreal.

[TNBT 3]

Which defensemen from Montreal or Atlanta would you have in mind?

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Which defensemen from Montreal or Atlanta would you have in mind?

For Robert Lang, we could get Sheldon Souray plus something else from Montreal.

Ffrom Atlanta, it would be Niclas Havelid or Andy Sutton (ideally Vishnevski, but they just picked him up and would be unlikely to trade him) plus a pick or prospect.

All of those guys are as good or better than Beauchemin. None of those deals involve a conference rival getting Lang.

None of those deals will happen, though. If any center is traded, it will be Datsyuk. And as much as that makes sense for the Wings, the teams that it would seem to make sense to deal him to either don't have much to offer the Wings or likely wouldn't give up the guy who would be worth Datsyuk. So that won't be happening.

[TNBT 3]

For Robert Lang, we could get Sheldon Souray plus something else from Montreal.

Ffrom Atlanta, it would be Niclas Havelid or Andy Sutton (ideally Vishnevski, but they just picked him up and would be unlikely to trade him) plus a pick or prospect.

All of those guys are as good or better than Beauchemin. None of those deals involve a conference rival getting Lang.

None of those deals will happen, though. If any center is traded, it will be Datsyuk. And as much as that makes sense for the Wings, the teams that it would seem to make sense to deal him to either don't have much to offer the Wings or likely wouldn't give up the guy who would be worth Datsyuk. So that won't be happening.

I'm a fan of Souray, but he's 30 years old and the point of this trade was to help us to add some quality young defensemen. As for the Thrashers defensemen, I like Vishnevski but I agree that they probably wouldn't be looking to move him so soon after getting him. As for the guys you mentioned, I like both of them (Sutton more than Havelid), but the same thing applies as in the case of Souray - they're all in their early 30's, and I'm looking to add some nice YOUNG defensemen to the mix. That's why I was thinking Beauchemin, because he's youngish (26 years old), plays with some physicality and will drop the gloves.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

The way I see it, the Wings and the Ducks are perfect trading partners. One of the major complaints/fears of Wings fans is the lack of young defensive talent to come through behind Lidstrom and Schneider. Up front, we have way too many centers. The Ducks, on the other hand, seem to be in the opposite situation. With Neidermayer and Pronger, combined with their other defensemen, they are perhaps the strongest team in the league on defense. Up front, however, they look like they could use some scoring-line talent. The Pronger trade cost them one of their top young forwards in Lupul, and with the defensive core they have, they were built to win now. Perry and Getzlaf are great talents but they're still young, Selanne is proven but getting older and it's still not known for sure whether McDonald can consistently carry a big part of the offensive load.

The Wings need young defensemen, and the Ducks have a guy that would be perfect for us in Francois Beauchemin. He's an important part of their defense but with Pronger and Neidermayer able to carry a lot of ice time, as well as some solid if unspectacular support from guys like O'Donnell, the Ducks can afford to move him if it helps to give them some more firepower up front. As I said before, the Ducks are built to win now, and adding a guy like Lang to center their top line with Selanne would give them some offensive power, and it would mean that the youngsters like Getzlaf and Perry aren't expected to carry the offensive load. Oh yeah, and they've got Big Bobby Ryan coming up too.

Now I don't know if a straight-up trade of Lang for Beauchemin works under the salary cap, so maybe a pick or a prospect could be thrown in either way, but I'd like to know what people think of the idea of a Lang for Beauchemin-based trade.

I think at this point Lang is worth more then Beauchemin but I love Beauchemin. Being in Ohio I watched him w/Jackets alot and thought they were freaking nuts to trade him (especially for Fedorov and his contract). Anyway, Beauchemin has a big shot, good mobility and he is tough. I think he challenged and won a decision in a fight against Jerome Iginla during last year's playoffs. Very good young defenseman with very underrated offensive tools.

As for us being a good trading partner, if i'm Anaheim I like where I am right now.

Defensively they are arguably the best if not top 2. Pronger, Niedermayer, O'Donnel and Beauchemin give them a great top 4 guys. Not sure who will be 5 and 6 though.

In goal if Bryzgalov is the real deal then they will be fine. Giguere, contract and all may end up on the block at the deadline just like Roloson did and the Ducks could get some decent return to help them in the playoffs.

At forward they've got some nice young talent. Losing Lupul hurts because I think he was their best young forward. But they've got Getzlaf and Perry who will probably have breakout years. They also have Dustin Penner and Chris Kunitz who are two very young, good looking players. Rob Niedermayer is a solid two-way forward. Andy MacDonald and Selanne give them bonafide goal scorers and Todd Fedoruk gives them plenty of beef and toughness up front. Pahlsson, Marchant and Travis Green are all decent players as well. That's basically 11 guys so they'll have 1 or 2 guys battling for a spot.

I like their makeup alot. And bottom line is they can put Pronger and/or Niedermayer out there basically the entire game which is about as perfect a world you could ask for.

Edited September 20, 2006 by GordieSid&Ted

[TNBT 3]

I think at this point Lang is worth more then Beauchemin but I love Beauchemin. Being in Ohio I watched him w/Jackets alot and thought they were freaking nuts to trade him (especially for Fedorov and his contract). Anyway, Beauchemin has a big shot, good mobility and he is tough. I think he challenged and won a decision in a fight against Jerome Iginla during last year's playoffs. Very good young defenseman with very underrated offensive tools.

As for us being a good trading partner, if i'm Anaheim I like where I am right now.

Defensively they are arguably the best if not top 2. Pronger, Niedermayer, O'Donnel and Beauchemin give them a great top 4 guys. Not sure who will be 5 and 6 though.

In goal if Bryzgalov is the real deal then they will be fine. Giguere, contract and all may end up on the block at the deadline just like Roloson did and the Ducks could get some decent return to help them in the playoffs.

At forward they've got some nice young talent. Losing Lupul hurts because I think he was their best young forward. But they've got Getzlaf and Perry who will probably have breakout years. They also have Dustin Penner and Chris Kunitz who are two very young, good looking players. Rob Niedermayer is a solid two-way forward. Andy MacDonald and Selanne give them bonafide goal scorers and Todd Fedoruk gives them plenty of beef and toughness up front. Pahlsson, Marchant and Travis Green are all decent players as well. That's basically 11 guys so they'll have 1 or 2 guys battling for a spot.

I like their makeup alot. And bottom line is they can put Pronger and/or Niedermayer out there basically the entire game which is about as perfect a world you could ask for.

The part in bold is why I see the Ducks as being a perfect trading partner for us. I agree with you that the Ducks do have some nice forwards, but outside of Selanne and McDonald, they don't really have anyone who can consistently put the puck in the net, and even McDonald isn't really proven as to whether he can do it night in, night out. You're right that Getzlaf and Perry will probably have breakout seasons and help with the scoring load, but what if they don't? The Ducks have a great veteran defensive core, so do they really want to waste that by banking on a forward group with only two real scorers?

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I'm a fan of Souray, but he's 30 years old and the point of this trade was to help us to add some quality young defensemen. As for the Thrashers defensemen, I like Vishnevski but I agree that they probably wouldn't be looking to move him so soon after getting him. As for the guys you mentioned, I like both of them (Sutton more than Havelid), but the same thing applies as in the case of Souray - they're all in their early 30's, and I'm looking to add some nice YOUNG defensemen to the mix. That's why I was thinking Beauchemin, because he's youngish (26 years old), plays with some physicality and will drop the gloves.

And he isn't NEARLY worth Lang.

Beauchemin is a decent defenseman, but he's not going to be a star or anything. Beauchemin is a five years more developed version of Kyle Quincey.

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And he isn't NEARLY worth Lang.

Beauchemin is a decent defenseman, but he's not going to be a star or anything. Beauchemin is a five years more developed version of Kyle Quincey.

I see where you're coming from, but if you're not a Beauchemin fan can you come up with the name of a young defensemen that IS worth Lang, and that we may be able to get in return for Lang? I understand not wanting to trade away assets for less than what they're worth, but when you have too many guys at one position as we do at center, it makes sense to move one of them to fill another need, even if you're not quite getting matching value.

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I see where you're coming from, but if you're not a Beauchemin fan can you come up with the name of a young defensemen that IS worth Lang, and that we may be able to get in return for Lang? I understand not wanting to trade away assets for less than what they're worth, but when you have too many guys at one position as we do at center, it makes sense to move one of them to fill another need, even if you're not quite getting matching value.

Tell me how Beauchemin will be such a huge addition to our defense? Lidstrom, Kronwall, Markov will be the core for at least the next two seasons. Schneider may or may not be around after this season. Lebda will be around for a few more years at least, and we have Kindl and Quincey on the way.

We have several young prospects who are going to be as good or better than Beauchemin. Any of the guys I listed earlier would be a better option to trade for, in part because they are better NOW, but because they are older they don't have that mystical 'youth' inflation to their value like Beauchemin might. Which means we get a solid top 3 defenseman who can play for a few years, as well as picks or prospects, instead of getting a guy who might never be more than a number 4.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

The part in bold is why I see the Ducks as being a perfect trading partner for us. I agree with you that the Ducks do have some nice forwards, but outside of Selanne and McDonald, they don't really have anyone who can consistently put the puck in the net, and even McDonald isn't really proven as to whether he can do it night in, night out. You're right that Getzlaf and Perry will probably have breakout seasons and help with the scoring load, but what if they don't? The Ducks have a great veteran defensive core, so do they really want to waste that by banking on a forward group with only two real scorers?

We just sit it a bit differently I suppose. I think they're pretty much set. Yeah, they could use a bonafide set up guy no doubt. But I don't know if they're going to give up a dman to do it. It would seem like they'd give up a prospect and forward for since they have a pretty much set roster up front. I suppose I should clarify my feelings about their defense. As is its great. However, their 5-6 spots are a little shaky. They lost a good player when they lost Vishnevski. And remember they dealt Salei and Carney as well. That leaves the bottom end of their defense pretty unimpressive. If they were to drop Beauchemin that would leave them with the great 1-2 punch on top and a good vet in Odonnell but then they'd have a really weak group from 4-7. I think they gotta hold onto Beauchemin.

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We just sit it a bit differently I suppose. I think they're pretty much set. Yeah, they could use a bonafide set up guy no doubt. But I don't know if they're going to give up a dman to do it. It would seem like they'd give up a prospect and forward for since they have a pretty much set roster up front. I suppose I should clarify my feelings about their defense. As is its great. However, their 5-6 spots are a little shaky. They lost a good player when they lost Vishnevski. And remember they dealt Salei and Carney as well. That leaves the bottom end of their defense pretty unimpressive. If they were to drop Beauchemin that would leave them with the great 1-2 punch on top and a good vet in Odonnell but then they'd have a really weak group from 4-7. I think they gotta hold onto Beauchemin.

I guess you've got a point. I've always thought that when a team has a strength and a weakness, they are better off moving some of their strength to help fill their weakness. However, I guess in this case their defense is a strength, but if they moved Beauchemin it would then probably become a weakness for them (outside of their top 2).

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I guess you've got a point. I've always thought that when a team has a strength and a weakness, they are better off moving some of their strength to help fill their weakness. However, I guess in this case their defense is a strength, but if they moved Beauchemin it would then probably become a weakness for them (outside of their top 2).

And while Beauchemin is top four in Anaheim, he wouldn't be in Detroit. Furhter showing why this deal is not a good match--the Ducks would require too much in return for Beauchemin to make it worth it for the Wings.

If we could swing a deal for Beauchemin sending Maltby and Lilja, though...that would be sweet.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Tell me how Beauchemin will be such a huge addition to our defense? Lidstrom, Kronwall, Markov will be the core for at least the next two seasons. Schneider may or may not be around after this season. Lebda will be around for a few more years at least, and we have Kindl and Quincey on the way.

We have several young prospects who are going to be as good or better than Beauchemin. Any of the guys I listed earlier would be a better option to trade for, in part because they are better NOW, but because they are older they don't have that mystical 'youth' inflation to their value like Beauchemin might. Which means we get a solid top 3 defenseman who can play for a few years, as well as picks or prospects, instead of getting a guy who might never be more than a number 4.

You cant possibly be thinking Markov is better than Beauchemin are you? As for those several young prospects...please, Detroit is very thin on defense prospects. To make a statement that several will be as good or better is ludicrous.

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You cant possibly be thinking Markov is better than Beauchemin are you? As for those several young prospects...please, Detroit is very thin on defense prospects. To make a statement that several will be as good or better is ludicrous.

Beauchemin is basically what Kyle Quincey will be in five years. Would you say Quincey is our top defense prospect?

As for Markov...I would certainly say he's better. Markov is one of the league's top shot blockers and is a very solid defensive defenseman.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Beauchemin is basically what Kyle Quincey will be in five years. Would you say Quincey is our top defense prospect?

As for Markov...I would certainly say he's better. Markov is one of the league's top shot blockers and is a very solid defensive defenseman.

Yes, i guess i would at this point, but thats seriously not saying much at all.

Markov being better than Beauchemin...i totally disagree. I think he's just ok, certainly not very solid. Its funny, I think we are complete opposites, i dont think ive ever agreed with ANY of your posts!

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Yes, i guess i would at this point, but thats seriously not saying much at all.

Markov being better than Beauchemin...i totally disagree. I think he's just ok, certainly not very solid. Its funny, I think we are complete opposites, i dont think ive ever agreed with ANY of your posts!

You seriously think Quincey is a better prospect than Kindl?

[TNBT 3]

As long as were pulling trades out of our asses, how about Lang for Bouwmeester?

If you didn't notice, the title of the thread mentioned that this was a trade IDEA, not a rumored trade or a trade that was near completion. If you want to propose some sort of argument as to why we should trade Lang for Bouwmeester and why the trade would work then go right ahead.

[Seth 0]

The way I see it, the Wings and the Ducks are perfect trading partners. One of the major complaints/fears of Wings fans is the lack of young defensive talent to come through behind Lidstrom and Schneider. Up front, we have way too many centers. The Ducks, on the other hand, seem to be in the opposite situation. With Neidermayer and Pronger, combined with their other defensemen, they are perhaps the strongest team in the league on defense. Up front, however, they look like they could use some scoring-line talent. The Pronger trade cost them one of their top young forwards in Lupul, and with the defensive core they have, they were built to win now. Perry and Getzlaf are great talents but they're still young, Selanne is proven but getting older and it's still not known for sure whether McDonald can consistently carry a big part of the offensive load.

The Wings need young defensemen, and the Ducks have a guy that would be perfect for us in Francois Beauchemin. He's an important part of their defense but with Pronger and Neidermayer able to carry a lot of ice time, as well as some solid if unspectacular support from guys like O'Donnell, the Ducks can afford to move him if it helps to give them some more firepower up front. As I said before, the Ducks are built to win now, and adding a guy like Lang to center their top line with Selanne would give them some offensive power, and it would mean that the youngsters like Getzlaf and Perry aren't expected to carry the offensive load.

Now I don't know if a straight-up trade of Lang for Beauchemin works under the salary cap, so maybe a pick or a prospect could be thrown in either way, but I'd like to know what people think of the idea of a Lang for Beauchemin-based trade.

Im sorry but I do not see the Ducks trading Beauchemin + whatever for Lang. Can't see it. They need Beauchemin even with Prongs and Scott N. If we're gonna be trading for D we should target the Yotes. Ther in the land of plenty when it comes to D men...and lets face it Comrie had a fluke year last year.

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Im sorry but I do not see the Ducks trading Beauchemin + whatever for Lang. Can't see it. They need Beauchemin even with Prongs and Scott N. If we're gonna be trading for D we should target the Yotes. Ther in the land of plenty when it comes to D men...and lets face it Comrie had a fluke year last year.

I considered poaching from the Coyotes, and I've been a fan of Boynton for a while. If we could get him I'd be pretty happy.