Nagy a Wing ?

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Cheli said this past summer that Feds would be a Wing again this offseason. This is what he said during some dinner with Luc, Feds and himself. Interesting!

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

My guess is you'll continue to be an ass throughout all your posts eh?

Do I care that he's 37? No. Why? Because I still think he is one hell of a player when he gives it his all and plays like he knows he's capable of playing. I'd take Feds back in a heartbeat. Coudln't care less how old he is. If you can play, you can play. He isn't 'washed up' in my eyes.

You may think i'm an ass for pointing out the obvious to you. But your hard on for Fedorov doesn't miraculously change what this Redwings team needs and it doesn't turn Feds into a scoring, physical, power forward type that we need.

I've said it before but apparently you weren't paying attention. I still think he's a pretty good player that can bring value to certain teams. Unfortunately, we're not one of them. You can't seem to grasp what type of personnel we have and what type we don't so until you do it's like i'm trying to teach my dog long division. It's pointless.

Here's some advice for you, its better to be a smartass than a dumbass.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I'm apathetic as to whether Fedorov should come back or not, but I for some reason feel like if he were to come back, hed go back to being a dominant player.

[Rice 42]

I'm apathetic as to whether Fedorov should come back or not, but I for some reason feel like if he were to come back, hed go back to being a dominant player.

That's exactly how I feel.

[rage 24]

Oh please!!

Are there really people that still wants Feds back??? To funny. I can understand the love and the thought of him being back would be so great. But don't we want what is best for our Red Wings right now? Bringing back Feds with our current roster would never help us. Sorry guys. There is no point to it. Just like there was no point to singing Greg Johnson!! We don't need another center. Plus, everyone knows Fedorov's best days are behiend him. That and a $6 million a year contract!! Please!!

29 year old Datsyuk for 6-7 million = NONONON (I agree)

37 year old Fedorov @ 6 million = Yes Yes!!!

You may think i'm an ass for pointing out the obvious to you.

Here's some advice for you, its better to be a smartass than a dumbass.

I think some of the words you used in the first post upset this person.

[bringback91 2]

You may think i'm an ass for pointing out the obvious to you. But your hard on for Fedorov doesn't miraculously change what this Redwings team needs and it doesn't turn Feds into a scoring, physical, power forward type that we need.

I've said it before but apparently you weren't paying attention. I still think he's a pretty good player that can bring value to certain teams. Unfortunately, we're not one of them. You can't seem to grasp what type of personnel we have and what type we don't so until you do it's like i'm trying to teach my dog long division. It's pointless.

Here's some advice for you, its better to be a smartass than a dumbass.

I don't think pointing out your opinions to people make them think your an ass, it's "holier than thou attitude, along with the "jokes" and the "hard on" type comments". Anyway.....

Yeah I can be objective (even with the screenname ) but some others can't seem to be. In your lenghty response to my post you seemed to validate alot of my points, while admiting to settleing for a lesser player, simply for being a natural winger. That doesn't seem too objective to me. Some seem to think in order to be effective playing the body, you must demolish the guy into a broken mass of bone and skin whilst putting him through the glass. That's not the case and Feds continues to smartly play the body and maintain the puck, make the right play, like he's always done. I'm pretty sure he know's what it takes to score in the playoffs also. As far as being better than Doan, Nagy, and Smyth, since were stating our opinions as fact, yes he is. Doan is the most overrated player I've ever seen on this board, 6 20 goal seasons huh, sweet..... Nagy, if people think Feds used to take nights off, you sure as hell don't want this guy around. Smyth, he's a great player, I'd like to see him on the Wings, but I wouldn't want to give up too much for him, which they'd have to do. But yeah, Feds is just as good if not better in about every catagory. Along with the whole ability to play whatever position outside of goaltender that you need. Anyway, what's the point, your cemented into your opinions, there's really no point in argueing mine. I and some others think he'd be a good pick up, you and some others don't.

[eva unit zero 271]

The mere fact that [Nagy is] a natural winger

You lose. Nagy is a converted center.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Here's some advice for you, its better to be a smartass than a dumbass.

Your little insults aren't getting you anywhere so if you think doing so is making your posts look better you're wrong. But whatever. If you feel the need to keep calling out a girl and insulting her keep it up and see how far it gets ya on here.

Edited December 13, 2006 by hockeycrazy3033

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

You may think i'm an ass for pointing out the obvious to you. But your hard on for Fedorov doesn't miraculously change what this Redwings team needs and it doesn't turn Feds into a scoring, physical, power forward type that we need.

I've said it before but apparently you weren't paying attention. I still think he's a pretty good player that can bring value to certain teams. Unfortunately, we're not one of them. You can't seem to grasp what type of personnel we have and what type we don't so until you do it's like i'm trying to teach my dog long division. It's pointless.

Here's some advice for you, its better to be a smartass than a dumbass.

Here's some unsolicited advice for you Gordie. Your valid points get lost in your angry tone, profanity, and unprovoked mocking.

Can't you state your case without coming off as such a d*ck?

And to try and be on topic, as I said before, I'd love to have Feds back in Detroit. Maybe he could get his game back together and it would be nice for him to finish his career here. But I realize the Wings aren't a farewell tour for aging veterans (at least they shouldn't be anymore) and acquiring him just doesn't make sense for this team right now.

Edited December 13, 2006 by haroldsnepsts

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Your little insults aren't getting you anywhere so if you think doing so is making your posts look better you're wrong. But whatever. If you feel the need to keep calling out a girl and insulting her keep it up and see how far it gets ya on here.

How far will it get me? I don't know that i'm really trying to get anywhere. You want to argue about how great you think Feds will be, i'll use the evidence i've seen on the ice for the past couple seasons to refute you. Maybe i'm not great at thinking outside of the box on this one but I see an aged, slower, less effective, expensive, permimeter player as not the ideal extra body we could bring in to make this team a better fit for the playoffs. In case people forget, all of this 1st round losing crap started with Anaheim and Feds was still here. For the past 3 years we've been screaming to get away from that perimeter only, finesse style and people still want to bring Fedorov back? I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. If we needed a #2 or #3 center because we didn't have the depth or the we had great wingers with no centerman then maybe Fedorov would be a great addition. But on this team to say picking him up would be the move we should make when the cap hamstrings you and limits you from addressing every need is just a bad idea.

As for you being a girl, that shouldn't bother you. It certainly doesn't bother me. It's an online forum, i've been called every name in the book and i've tossed my fair share of grenades. I don't care if you're a man or a woman. I do care about what you have to say though. And frankly, if I think what you have to say makes no sense i'm going to call you out on it as I would expect people to do to me.

Funny thing is, over the past few offseasons when we've all sulked after dismal playoff appearances all we've heard, whined about and prayed for is for this team to get bigger and tougher, to get some fighters or some power forwards. That's all we've heard for years. Maybe I missed all the posts where people were clamoring to bring Fedorov back as the key to making us a better playoff team. By all means if you can locate the posts where people have not begged for the type of players I just described and instead begged for Fedorov back I would love to see them. I think it odd that in trying to morph ourselves into something akin to the Oilers or Flames or Ducks that all of a sudden Fedorov is the linchpin that is going to drive us in that direction.

[LEBDA22 0]

Wow i started this post to get reactions , and boy i sure did . I didnt expect it to be a war with words though. I for one would love to see Feds back !! There were a lot of good points for him not to come back , as he truely isnt what this team needs right now!! He does always show up in the playoffs , and isnt that what we have all been saying this team needs?? Last time i checked the wings were bounced out of the playoffs every year since Feds decided to take a walk ... I dont blame him for leaving the wings , he wanted to be number one , and with Yzerman still here he couldnt be ......Now that Steve is gone , he is STILL the man as far as im concerned , and will always be the MAN....I really dont think using profanity here to get your point across is the answer.. Everyone on here is entitled to have his/her own opinion (right) ? We can all wish for what we want for the team , its not like it will ever happen( we have Kenny to thank for that) so let us have our glory and dream of the team we once knew to be great !!!!!!!they still are , but some would say no until they win it all again and again !!!! I have been a Wings fan for over 20 years now , and will always be , no matter who is on the ice ...This is one of the greatest sports organizations ever .....So please let us have our fun here and wish for players from the past to come back and retire for the greatest sports team ever ... you can bash all you want , but give us a break , we are all on the same team here

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Here's some unsolicited advice for you Gordie. Your valid points get lost in your angry tone, profanity, and unprovoked mocking.

Can't you state your case without coming off as such a d*ck?

And to try and be on topic, as I said before, I'd love to have Feds back in Detroit. Maybe he could get his game back together and it would be nice for him to finish his career here. But I realize the Wings aren't a farewell tour for aging veterans (at least they shouldn't be anymore) and acquiring him just doesn't make sense for this team right now.

I always appreciate your comments Harold. And yes, I can contribute w/o being a dick. However, this topic is just pushing my buttons to no end.

People may call it holier than thou or I may come off as Mr. KnowItAll but i'm sorry, I don't see any way that this current lineup could be morphed into a "playoff-style" team by adding Fedorov. It seems to me that the Fedorov fans that want him back are turning their back on everything that's been said about this team for the past 3 seasons. They're turning their collective backs on every complaint we've had about how this team isn't built for the playoffs. And then to try and claim Fedorov would be a stud when he hasn't been for years and try to morph him into a guy who can crash and bang and drive the net and play a power winger game is just insulting to my intelligence. Like I feel of the turnip truck yesterday and haven't watched Fedorov for the past umteen ******* years. Fedorov drove to the net in his youth with speed and by making fools out of people. Yet there are some diehards here that would have us believe that even though he's older and slower now that he is suddenly now capable of being Cam Neely and can bull his way to the net. Ahhhhh!

You know as well as anybody what's been said about this team for years. You've seen all the posts about grit, toughness, size, power forwards, crashers and bangers, big, bruising dmen. Nowhere in any of that does Fedorov come into that equation. How that doesn't outrage you and everybody else around here is beyond me and I guess that's what brings the dick out of me. ummm, that didn't sound right but you get my drift I hope.

Wow i started this post to get reactions , and boy i sure did . I didnt expect it to be a war with words though. I for one would love to see Feds back !! There were a lot of good points for him not to come back , as he truely isnt what this team needs right now!! He does always show up in the playoffs , and isnt that what we have all been saying this team needs?? Last time i checked the wings were bounced out of the playoffs every year since Feds decided to take a walk ... I dont blame him for leaving the wings , he wanted to be number one , and with Yzerman still here he couldnt be ......Now that Steve is gone , he is STILL the man as far as im concerned , and will always be the MAN....I really dont think using profanity here to get your point across is the answer.. Everyone on here is entitled to have his/her own opinion (right) ? We can all wish for what we want for the team , its not like it will ever happen( we have Kenny to thank for that) so let us have our glory and dream of the team we once knew to be great !!!!!!!they still are , but some would say no until they win it all again and again !!!! I have been a Wings fan for over 20 years now , and will always be , no matter who is on the ice ...This is one of the greatest sports organizations ever .....So please let us have our fun here and wish for players from the past to come back and retire for the greatest sports team ever ... you can bash all you want , but give us a break , we are all on the same team here

Hey, I can appreciate that. I have no beef with anybody who realizes that Fedorov isn't the ideal choice for us even if salary were not an issue. I have no beef with anybody who admits they want Fedorov back for sentimental reasons. I do have a beef though with anybody who refuses to look at how he's played the past few years, refuses to acknowledge that this team has certain, desperate needs and wants to try and make Fedorov look like he can be any of the things we need. And Feds was here when Anaheim beat us. I beleive that was the 1st season we all started to see how no matter how many shots we got on net, that being a finesse, perimeter shooting team was gonna be our downfall. You can't turn a 37 year old Fedorov into a Brendan Shanahan when he played for St. Loius. And i'm not saying you are doing that or that there's even anyone like that available. But when this team needs more of a bruising type player and people are trying to pass Fedorov off as the answer I find it insulting and unacceptable.

Still, you are right, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But wanting Fedorov to retire as a Wing or seeing him back to relive glory years gone by has nothing to do with what's wrong with this team and how to make it better suited to win when it counts. But I guess not everybody agrees with me.

[bringback91 2]

I always appreciate your comments Harold. And yes, I can contribute w/o being a dick. However, this topic is just pushing my buttons to no end.

People may call it holier than thou or I may come off as Mr. KnowItAll but i'm sorry, I don't see any way that this current lineup could be morphed into a "playoff-style" team by adding Fedorov. It seems to me that the Fedorov fans that want him back are turning their back on everything that's been said about this team for the past 3 seasons. They're turning their collective backs on every complaint we've had about how this team isn't built for the playoffs.

You know as well as anybody what's been said about this team for years. You've seen all the posts about grit, toughness, size, power forwards, crashers and bangers, big, bruising dmen. Nowhere in any of that does Fedorov come into that equation. How that doesn't outrage you and everybody else around here is beyond me and I guess that's what brings the dick out of me.

But I guess not everybody agrees with me.

Why in the world does this topic of some people thinking Fedorov would be a good addition, and easily take the place of any of the wingers already on the team, get you so pissed. Is it because not everyone will form to your opinion and pat you on the back? GORDIE FOR GM!!

Yes people may, and they do. How in the hell does adding Doan automatically morph the team in to Cup champs, then? It doesn't. This Cam Neeley power forward you covet so much simply don't exist. And if they do, they can't be had. As hard as it might be to phathom, not everyone has to share your same opinion. And you don't always have to try to belittle them with a lame stand up routine every ******* time.

Yeah, we've all seen a bizillion posts about the grit blah blah blah!!! Look at who posts them. It's like the same 10 dudes. All the time, most never happy, always negitive, always trying to play CPA and armchair GM. Again, why do other's opinions bother you so damn much? Not all of us feel like watching football on ice.

The sooner you come to terms with the fact that not everyone agrees with you, the better off you'll be.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Why in the world does this topic of some people thinking Fedorov would be a good addition, and easily take the place of any of the wingers already on the team, get you so pissed. Is it because not everyone will form to your opinion and pat you on the back? GORDIE FOR GM!!

Yes people may, and they do. How in the hell does adding Doan automatically morph the team in to Cup champs, then? It doesn't. This Cam Neeley power forward you covet so much simply don't exist. And if they do, they can't be had. As hard as it might be to phathom, not everyone has to share your same opinion. And you don't always have to try to belittle them with a lame stand up routine every ******* time.

Yeah, we've all seen a bizillion posts about the grit blah blah blah!!! Look at who posts them. It's like the same 10 dudes. All the time, most never happy, always negitive, always trying to play CPA and armchair GM. Again, why do other's opinions bother you so damn much? Not all of us feel like watching football on ice.

The sooner you come to terms with the fact that not everyone agrees with you, the better off you'll be.

I can't believe i'm still trying to explain this. If you haven't watched the last 3 playoffs or listened to Holland, Babcock or anybody else associated with the Wings then that's your problem for not being informed. This team needs players like Doan. It needs players like Chris Neil, Jamal Mayers, Brendan Morrow, Steve Ott, Raffi Torres, etc...This team needs players in that type of mold. Guys that go out every shift and look to throw a hit or crash to the net and mix things up and get the other team off its game. Fedorov is not that kind of player and you know it. He's a skilled, puck possession player and this team already has plenty of that. Fedorov may be head and shoulders above all these guys in terms of skill but that doesn't mean he addresses what we need.

Of course you must've been watching us get run over by guys like Torres the past 3 seasons and watched as we put up 40 shots per game from 20 feet out and thought to yourself, "wow, Fedorov would be the perfect player to adress our ills".

It has nothing to do with me wanting everyone to crown me GM. It has everything to do with realizing this teams strengths and weaknesses and wanting them addressed appropriately. I don't know what you want but obviously it isn't that.

[bringback91 2]

I can't believe i'm still trying to explain this. If you haven't watched the last 3 playoffs or listened to Holland, Babcock or anybody else associated with the Wings then that's your problem for not being informed. This team needs players like Doan. It needs players like Chris Neil, Jamal Mayers, Brendan Morrow, Steve Ott, Raffi Torres, etc...This team needs players in that type of mold. Guys that go out every shift and look to throw a hit or crash to the net and mix things up and get the other team off its game. Fedorov is not that kind of player and you know it. He's a skilled, puck possession player and this team already has plenty of that. Fedorov may be head and shoulders above all these guys in terms of skill but that doesn't mean he addresses what we need.

Of course you must've been watching us get run over by guys like Torres the past 3 seasons and watched as we put up 40 shots per game from 20 feet out and thought to yourself, "wow, Fedorov would be the perfect player to adress our ills".

It has nothing to do with me wanting everyone to crown me GM. It has everything to do with realizing this teams strengths and weaknesses and wanting them addressed appropriately. I don't know what you want but obviously it isn't that.

Oh, well forgive me for not having the vast hockey knowledge you yourself have. Funny, cause I could've swore that they've been saying THIS YEAR that they need a top GOAL SCORING winger. One that can put pucks in the net, and since that's been the biggest issue they've had in the playoffs, putting pucks in the net, silly ole me thought it might be better to go after someone who know's how, over a 3rd line grinder. We have pleanty of those if you ask me. It's just people want a change for the sake of making a change. I say why bother when they've got, Flip, Kopecky, Cleary, Maltby, Franzen, Draper, Homer, s*** that's over two lines of guys. This isn't the same team as last playoffs. If Kronner could ever stay off the IR, and when Markov comes back, along with Cheli, there's some more grit for ya.

No, I've been watching this year and thought, DAMN, the Wings could really use a proven goal scorer with some skill.

I just don't get people that have watched (and bitched about) the team since the last cup, which by the way contained less grit then the current squad, wanting to transform the team into the Flames or something like that. Why put yourself through the misery if it's so bad? Ripping apart people and there opinions on a message board ain't going to change s***.

[Wingsfan31 0]

I agree with GS&A on one point, which I feel is the more important: Would Sergei be a make-or-break deal for the Wings in the playoffs? I also believe he is not exactly what this team needs right now, and in a cap era, you need to be tight with the coin. Sergei might bring some speed and skill to the team, but he still lacks the size or playing style to effectively be a force in front of the net. You basically need a Holmstrom-type who plays with his face towards the goaltender. Homer's tips are nice, but rebounds are generally a lost cause with him because he's not facing the net when he's out front. Sergei is not going to do that. It's not his style and no knock on him, it's just a fact.

The Wings need someone who is willing to pay the price out front, as Shanny was willing to so in '97, as Yzerman had done his whole career. They are best suited spending their limited resources on a guy who will do that, every shift he can, and effectively. It's a reason Ryan Smyth is so coveted around the league.

However, given the choice between Lang and Fedorov, I'd take Sergei simply because I think he'd still be good for 60-70 points and can kill penalties. Perhaps it is something they can investigate this off-season but as the Jackets can't eat any of his salary, its a no go this season, even if hea clears waivers and the Wings were to try and pick him up the second time throught for 1/2 price, which you can bet someone else would jump all over him for $3 million, pro-rated for the what he's already been paid.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Oh, well forgive me for not having the vast hockey knowledge you yourself have. Funny, cause I could've swore that they've been saying THIS YEAR that they need a top GOAL SCORING winger. One that can put pucks in the net, and since that's been the biggest issue they've had in the playoffs, putting pucks in the net, silly ole me thought it might be better to go after someone who know's how, over a 3rd line grinder. We have pleanty of those if you ask me. It's just people want a change for the sake of making a change. I say why bother when they've got, Flip, Kopecky, Cleary, Maltby, Franzen, Draper, Homer, s*** that's over two lines of guys. This isn't the same team as last playoffs. If Kronner could ever stay off the IR, and when Markov comes back, along with Cheli, there's some more grit for ya.

No, I've been watching this year and thought, DAMN, the Wings could really use a proven goal scorer with some skill.

I just don't get people that have watched (and bitched about) the team since the last cup, which by the way contained less grit then the current squad, wanting to transform the team into the Flames or something like that. Why put yourself through the misery if it's so bad? Ripping apart people and there opinions on a message board ain't going to change s***.

Its actually quite interesting (to me anyway) of how i've changed my thinking over the past 3 seasons. I was an avid, "wings and holland can do no wrong" type of fan after the Anaheim series and even after the Calgary series. I always believed skill would outduel the grit teams. I guess in watching the Edmonton series it ocurred to me that all the skill in the world doesn't work in the playoffs because every guy on the other team is diving across the ice blocking shots and doing every sacrificial, unselfish thing they can do to keep the puck out of the net. Its my belief that when faced with a foe like that, who is willing to do the things they weren't gonna do on a Tuesday night in the regular season one must try to score goals another way. IMO, that way is to drive the net, bang defenseman, crash the boards and force, through physical means the other team to make mistakes and give you the chance to bang in goals, especially rebound goals with lots of traffic in front from about 8 feet out and in. I don't think Fedorov helps in this regard. Maybe I listened to some of the negative posters too much. Maybe i've got it all wrong and we should stick to being the most skilled team and look for perimeter one-timers. I guess we'll just have to disagree on a basic strategy level here.

As for the guys on our roster that you mentioned. Kopecky, Flip, Homer and Cleary can't hold a candle to guys that I mentioned. I mean when Brendan Morrow finishes you or Chris Neil or Jamal Mayers, you know it. I can't count the number of times i've seen our guys go in for a hit and i'm all juiced up for it and...............nothing. I mean we just don't have good hitters. Our guys are not punishing. They throw themselves half-heartedly at the opposing guy and basically the guy just takes it, shrugs it off like a fly and moves on. Where are our guys like Dallas Drake and Cam Janssen and Mike Grier who go in at full speed and try to put you through the boards? Nobody fears our forecheckers. Nobody fears getting hit by the Wings so they look up, they make a smart play knowing full well they are going to get hit but it isn't going to hurt. There's a huge difference in effectiveness level of hitting between what Raffi Torres did to Jason Williams and what Dan Cleary does on every shift when he lightly bounces off of a would-be checkee.

In my mind Fedorov or Sykora or other skilled guys who aren't really bangers are going to help us out too much. I'm looking at the last 3 playoffs and we've had tons of players willing to carry the puck, look for nice plays and shoot one-timers from 25 feet out and it hasn't worked at all in 3 embarrassing 1st round defeats. I think that's a sign for change.

I agree with GS&A on one point, which I feel is the more important: Would Sergei be a make-or-break deal for the Wings in the playoffs? I also believe he is not exactly what this team needs right now, and in a cap era, you need to be tight with the coin. Sergei might bring some speed and skill to the team, but he still lacks the size or playing style to effectively be a force in front of the net. You basically need a Holmstrom-type who plays with his face towards the goaltender. Homer's tips are nice, but rebounds are generally a lost cause with him because he's not facing the net when he's out front. Sergei is not going to do that. It's not his style and no knock on him, it's just a fact.

The Wings need someone who is willing to pay the price out front, as Shanny was willing to so in '97, as Yzerman had done his whole career. They are best suited spending their limited resources on a guy who will do that, every shift he can, and effectively. It's a reason Ryan Smyth is so coveted around the league.

However, given the choice between Lang and Fedorov, I'd take Sergei simply because I think he'd still be good for 60-70 points and can kill penalties. Perhaps it is something they can investigate this off-season but as the Jackets can't eat any of his salary, its a no go this season, even if hea clears waivers and the Wings were to try and pick him up the second time throught for 1/2 price, which you can bet someone else would jump all over him for $3 million, pro-rated for the what he's already been paid.

Replace Lang with Fedorov. Okay, now there's an idea I can get behind. If money issues weren't going to hinder us i'd gladly replace Lang with Fedorov for all the obvious reasons. That would be simply upgrading the center position but not redundantly as you are shedding Lang. This would improve the center postion and then you could go address the gritty winger situation. Replacing Lang with Fedorov and adding a rugged winger is a great idea IMO. Adding Fedorov to be your gritty winger is not a good idea IMO and that's all i've been driving at.

I guess I better add that i'm an avid supporter of Lang and think he's unfairly treated. However, in a straight up comparison of Lang and Feds you have to take Feds because he's got every bit the talent of Lang offensively yet he's faster and such a good defensive center to boot. Of course getting rid of Lang would be to get rid of our best playoff performer each of the past 2 years but what can you do?

Edited December 13, 2006 by GordieSid&Ted

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I always appreciate your comments Harold. And yes, I can contribute w/o being a dick. However, this topic is just pushing my buttons to no end.

People may call it holier than thou or I may come off as Mr. KnowItAll but i'm sorry, I don't see any way that this current lineup could be morphed into a "playoff-style" team by adding Fedorov. It seems to me that the Fedorov fans that want him back are turning their back on everything that's been said about this team for the past 3 seasons. They're turning their collective backs on every complaint we've had about how this team isn't built for the playoffs. And then to try and claim Fedorov would be a stud when he hasn't been for years and try to morph him into a guy who can crash and bang and drive the net and play a power winger game is just insulting to my intelligence. Like I feel of the turnip truck yesterday and haven't watched Fedorov for the past umteen ******* years. Fedorov drove to the net in his youth with speed and by making fools out of people. Yet there are some diehards here that would have us believe that even though he's older and slower now that he is suddenly now capable of being Cam Neely and can bull his way to the net. Ahhhhh!

You know as well as anybody what's been said about this team for years. You've seen all the posts about grit, toughness, size, power forwards, crashers and bangers, big, bruising dmen. Nowhere in any of that does Fedorov come into that equation. How that doesn't outrage you and everybody else around here is beyond me and I guess that's what brings the dick out of me. ummm, that didn't sound right but you get my drift I hope.

Yes, I definitely do get your drift.

though I can also see the side of people who would love to have Fedorov back here, even if it goes against all reason and is mostly based on being a fan of his.

Like I said your points are all valid. But you came out of the gate surprisingly angry on this one. It was bound to make people dig their heels in more and fight back.

[bringback91 2]

Yes, I definitely do get your drift.

though I can also see the side of people who would love to have Fedorov back here, even if it goes against all reason and is mostly based on being a fan of his.

Like I said your points are all valid. But you came out of the gate surprisingly angry on this one. It was bound to make people dig their heels in more and fight back.

It's not so much that it goes against all reason, as it just goes against some others opinions. I wasn't saying pay 6 mil for him, it'd be 3 at the deadline, which would be covered by the cap rasie next season alone. Anyway, It's the snide attitudes and the "your so stupid, how could you think that" over tones that come across. It was only me "fighting back" in which I really wasn't, just trying to get the point across that one persons differing opinion doesn't really make the others wrong. Being angry is one thing, going out of your way to belittle and devalue someone elses opinion is another. Along with stateing reasons for others having there opinons, which theres really no way to know that. Take me for example, so my name states my opinion, but it doesn't mean at all costs, like some would believe.

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gord i agree with you 100% that Feds is not what this team needs !!! If the price was right , like say around 750,000 for him to come back ..like the Hasek deal , then take it . As far as him asking and getting what he is , i think it is rediculous.(spelling?) he has not shown any form of his red wings days since he left .. I think that has a lot to do with what teams he has been on ..He is a great fit in Columbus ...I just think maybe if the wings could get the type of player they need , and then if they had a chance to get Sergei back at a good price then do it ...He will not hurt this team come playoff time that i can say is true . Yes this team needs to step up and get someone that plays like the McCarty or Lapointe of the late 90's... That is the typre of player i want to have on this team , but i dont think there is anyone out there like that ...unless Marty is available , i think he will be ......that is the kind of toughness this team needs , i havent heard much about him lately , but if he still plays with the same heart he did back in the 90's , then i think he could be an excellent addition !!!! I know its another name from the past , but like i said before there is not much out there ... I dont think Doan is going to ever leave the yotes .. He is about the only player out there that comes to mind to fit this team well...... Anyways im done with this subject , i think ..i just wanted to have my voice heard ....... In a perfect world we could have the 97 , 98 cup winning teams back on the ice again , and kicking ass again , but that will never happen , so lets just give our team a big hell yeah , and hope for the best this year !!! I wonder what Kenny is going to do about the problem ...............?????

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gord i agree with you 100% that Feds is not what this team needs !!! If the price was right , like say around 750,000 for him to come back ..like the Hasek deal , then take it . As far as him asking and getting what he is , i think it is rediculous.(spelling?) he has not shown any form of his red wings days since he left .. I think that has a lot to do with what teams he has been on ..He is a great fit in Columbus ...I just think maybe if the wings could get the type of player they need , and then if they had a chance to get Sergei back at a good price then do it ...He will not hurt this team come playoff time that i can say is true . Yes this team needs to step up and get someone that plays like the McCarty or Lapointe of the late 90's... That is the typre of player i want to have on this team , but i dont think there is anyone out there like that ...unless Marty is available , i think he will be ......that is the kind of toughness this team needs , i havent heard much about him lately , but if he still plays with the same heart he did back in the 90's , then i think he could be an excellent addition !!!! I know its another name from the past , but like i said before there is not much out there ... I dont think Doan is going to ever leave the yotes .. He is about the only player out there that comes to mind to fit this team well...... Anyways im done with this subject , i think ..i just wanted to have my voice heard ....... In a perfect world we could have the 97 , 98 cup winning teams back on the ice again , and kicking ass again , but that will never happen , so lets just give our team a big hell yeah , and hope for the best this year !!! I wonder what Kenny is going to do about the problem ...............?????

I'm wondering what Kenny is going to do as well my friend. I've been coming to his aide for years for every move he's made, even the ones like Andy Delmore and Cory Cross but now even i'm a little befuddled at how he seems to say exactly what we say in that we need some more toughness and grit and then he signs Greg Johnson?

Although in defense of my defense of Holland on the Cory Cross thing, I found some interesting stats back when that was a hot button issue. If I remember correctly when Cross was in the lineup he was Even or better in all but 1 game and the Wings were like 16 and 1 with him in the lineup and 1-2-2 or something with him out. And yes, I used that to validate my opinion that Cory Cross was a fantastic addition and Holland did the best he could at that time. OKAY, so I admit I was reaching for the stars on that one but it was still a good statistic!

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I'm wondering what Kenny is going to do as well my friend. I've been coming to his aide for years for every move he's made, even the ones like Andy Delmore and Cory Cross but now even i'm a little befuddled at how he seems to say exactly what we say in that we need some more toughness and grit and then he signs Greg Johnson?

Although in defense of my defense of Holland on the Cory Cross thing, I found some interesting stats back when that was a hot button issue. If I remember correctly when Cross was in the lineup he was Even or better in all but 1 game and the Wings were like 16 and 1 with him in the lineup and 1-2-2 or something with him out. And yes, I used that to validate my opinion that Cory Cross was a fantastic addition and Holland did the best he could at that time. OKAY, so I admit I was reaching for the stars on that one but it was still a good statistic!

i just dont know who will be available come the deadline...all the tough wingers i dont see moving anywhere...Kenny should have picked up Andre Roy when he had the chance.....Any chances of Vinny leaving the lightning..i think he is a center , but the guy does drop the gloves!!!! Maybe Kenny will go after Marty from the hawks ???maybe hell go after Doan ???? Only one person knows what he is waiting for , and that is him ..Ive be a supporter of Kenny as well, and i too thought getting Cross was a good thing , but I think Babs didnt like him , so thats why he is gone ......JUst give us a tough winger that can score and scrap thats all we ask for !!!!!!!!!!

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I don't see anything wrong with me thinking that having Feds back would spark the line up and definitely him. It's one of those things were a certain player plays great with a certain team and when he goes elsewhere he just loses whatever he had and vice versa. I think Feds is in NEED for a fresh start..and what I mean by that is coming back to the Wings where he made a name for himself and became one of the best two way forwards in the league. Sure he is a bit older now, and while I don't know for SURE if he'd be the same ol Feds, I'd be willing to take a chance. PLUS I love the guy and miss him so that plays into it a little. Like harold said, some of it is due to sentimental reasons.

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Replace Lang with Fedorov. Okay, now there's an idea I can get behind. If money issues weren't going to hinder us i'd gladly replace Lang with Fedorov for all the obvious reasons. That would be simply upgrading the center position but not redundantly as you are shedding Lang. This would improve the center postion and then you could go address the gritty winger situation. Replacing Lang with Fedorov and adding a rugged winger is a great idea IMO. Adding Fedorov to be your gritty winger is not a good idea IMO and that's all i've been driving at.

Lang and Williams for Fedorov and Shelley?

Shelley would essentially do the same thing as Norton did, except that he'd actually win fights flat out.

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I don't see anything wrong with me thinking that having Feds back would spark the line up and definitely him. It's one of those things were a certain player plays great with a certain team and when he goes elsewhere he just loses whatever he had and vice versa. I think Feds is in NEED for a fresh start..and what I mean by that is coming back to the Wings where he made a name for himself and became one of the best two way forwards in the league. Sure he is a bit older now, and while I don't know for SURE if he'd be the same ol Feds, I'd be willing to take a chance. PLUS I love the guy and miss him so that plays into it a little. Like harold said, some of it is due to sentimental reasons.

There's nothing wrong with thinking Fedorov still has talent or that coming back to the Wings would jump start him or get him back to scoring 30 goals a season.

I just think he'd be another guy shooting from the tops of the circles and another guy who plays the exact same type of style that has not gotten us out of the 1st round for 3 straight years. I'm not knocking Feds just pointing out that if you go back to the past 3 playoffs you will see period after period where we outskilled, outpassed and outshot each of our opponents only to lose because the shots were all from outside and 1/2 of them got blocked by teams that had 18 skaters willing to dive and throw themselves in harm's way. Chris Pronger wasn't the only reason we lost to Edmonton and neither was Ryan Smythe. It was guys like Torres, Pisani, Staois and Jason Smith that pounded us or crashed the crease, creating havoc and generating some timely garbage goals. I think we need some of that and that's not really Feds' game.

Edited December 14, 2006 by GordieSid&Ted