The "REAL" reason some Detroit fans dislike Fedorov

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Its another to think a guy having a down year could maybe pick up his scoring on a different team with better suited linemates.

Fedorov is scoring points better than any Wing forward except Zata and Dats--and he is as fast and good defensively as anyone we've got.

He's capable of playing all three forward positions.

If we could get him for say, Williams, I would consider it.

Yes, he has next year on his contract. But that would be in place of Lang, who will be gone. It would also mean the Wings could easily part with Maltby--Fedorov could eat up his PK time as well.

The biggest thing Fedorov would do is provide a big, strong, offensively talented body with speed that can score in the postseason. Something we haven't had since Fedorov.

[Guest Crymson]

Fedorov is scoring points better than any Wing forward except Zata and Dats--and he is as fast and good defensively as anyone we've got.

He's capable of playing all three forward positions.

If we could get him for say, Williams, I would consider it.

Yes, he has next year on his contract. But that would be in place of Lang, who will be gone. It would also mean the Wings could easily part with Maltby--Fedorov could eat up his PK time as well.

The biggest thing Fedorov would do is provide a big, strong, offensively talented body with speed that can score in the postseason. Something we haven't had since Fedorov.

Are you on crack? Sure, he can play in place of Lang-- for $2.1m more per year. Do you think we need that salary cap hit on a year when half the team will be UFAs? By the way, check out the top salaries for this year, and look at those in Fedorov's price range---especially those BELOW him--and then try to tell me that he's worth it: http://www.hockeynut.com/0607/salaries0607.html

And enough about his linemates--he plays with Nash, Vyborny and Zherdev, for goodness sake. Even if he's not with them all the time at ES, he's sure as hell playing with them on the PP.

And FYI-- the fact that Fedorov might be scoring a whopping <.25ppg more than Cleary, Holmstrom and Lang means nothing. At the moment, he's statistically paired with Samuelsson. Does that tell you anything?

Of course, it bears mention that the combined salaries of Zetterberg, Holmstrom, and Clearly don't even equal $6m. Again, I'll ask you-- were you under the influence of something when you made this post? $6m for 31pts on 45 games?

Feds is awesome. Probably one of the most misunderstood Red Wings ever. He's probably the player who's done the most of the team while getting the LEAST amount of credit.

I'd take him back any day if it were possible. And for those who think we don't need him, I'd like you to note when the last time we won a Cup was...

Last I checked, Fedorov did not win us cups in '99, '00, '01 or '03. In fact, we had much the same playoff frustrations then that we've had since he left for Anaheim. I feel that attributing the lack of cups in the last 2 years to lack of Fedorov is the PINNACLE of silliness.

Regardless of whether he may be good or not, he's not who he was 8 years ago, and he's certainly not worth $8m. If anyone will tell me that choosing Martin St. Louis over Fedorov would be a mistake, then I'll laugh in your face. Sorry.

Edited February 8, 2007 by Crymson

[bringback91 2]

Are you on crack? Sure, he can play in place of Lang-- for $2.1m more per year. Do you think we need that salary cap hit on a year when half the team will be UFAs? By the way, check out the top salaries for this year, and look at those in Fedorov's price range---especially those BELOW him--and then try to tell me that he's worth it: http://www.hockeynut.com/0607/salaries0607.html

And enough about his linemates--he plays with Nash, Vyborny and Zherdev, for goodness sake. Even if he's not with them all the time at ES, he's sure as hell playing with them on the PP.

And FYI-- Fedorov is most certainly NOT scoring better than every forward besides Dats and Zetts. Holmstrom, Cleary and Lang all have more points than does Fedorov, as do Schneider and Lidstrom on the blueline... and WILLIAMS is only 8 pts behind him. Samuelsson is only 6 pts behind!!

Of course, it bears mention that the combined salaries of Zetterberg, Holmstrom, and Clearly don't equal $6m. Again, I'll ask you-- were you under the influence of something when you made this post? $6m for 31pts on 45 games?

Why do you always freak out everytime someone posts something? Lang makes 3.8, that with the cap going up is enough to cover it if they REALLY wanted to. And they'd still be the 2 mil under that they currently are. There's a few players on your list that don't deserve there money.

Why enough about the linemates? Nash has sucked big time this year, Vyborny is okay but rarely is lined up with Sergei power play or not, and Zherdev has yet to even show up this year. Not to mention the rest of the team absolutely blows.

Actually he is scoring better as far as games played/pts. With the team there on, playing on the top 2 lines and all the PP's, they should be outscoring him, shouldn't they?

Just take a breath boss, you act like it's your 6 mil or something.

[Guest Crymson]

Why do you always freak out everytime someone posts something? Lang makes 3.8, that with the cap going up is enough to cover it if they REALLY wanted to. And they'd still be the 2 mil under that they currently are. There's a few players on your list that don't deserve there money.

Why enough about the linemates? Nash has sucked big time this year, Vyborny is okay but rarely is lined up with Sergei power play or not, and Zherdev has yet to even show up this year. Not to mention the rest of the team absolutely blows.

Actually he is scoring better as far as games played/pts. With the team there on, playing on the top 2 lines and all the PP's, they should be outscoring him, shouldn't they?

Just take a breath boss, you act like it's your 6 mil or something.

I've listed six players: Cleary, Lang, Zetterberg, Holmstrom, Samuelsson and Williams. Williams and Samuelsson are worthless. Oddly enough, they're scoring at the same rate as Fedorov and for, on average, ~30% of his cost. Lang is perhaps expendable, and plays at Fedorov's rate for less than 2/3 his price.

Please explain to me how Zetterberg, Holmstrom and Cleary don't deserve the $2.6, $1.5, and $.65 million they are currently paid.

Those players who I've listed aren't scoring far above the rate of Fedorov because the points are spread out. If you hadn't noticed, Columbus has 3 30-pt scorers. The Red Wings have seven--statistically, Samuelsson would make 8. And again, most of those 30+ers are paid less than a third of Fedorov's salary. Let's not forget that Fedorov, being one of the few scorers on the Blue Jackets, should have FAR more points--he has NO competition.

You still haven't given me any good reason why the Wings should blow $6m of cap space on Fedorov--who is now quite average as a player-- rather than other, better players, other than that Fedorov is a former Red Wing.

You're right-- this isn't my $6m. However, it IS $6m of cap space.

Edited February 8, 2007 by Crymson

[bringback91 2]

QUOTE(Crymson @ February 8, 2007 - 01:06AM) YOU:

The last time I checked, such discussions as this did not rely on facts, but rather on opinion.

How can you 'prove' that an opinion is correct? Can you produce some physical theory that states Fedorov's return would be worth it for y dollars based on x point production and z team dynamic effect? I mean, seriously...

What the f***? Lidstrom sucked last year in the playoffs?

Okay, let's use your rationale. Detroit dropped three straight playoffs between '98 and '02, and in none of them did we pass the second round. We won in '02... because we added three freaking HoF players. Now, we lost again in '03 while Fedorov was still around. I must confess that I don't get your point. You're saying that he was a big part of our success back then, so we should pick him up again now that his per-year price is twice as much and his production half as much? I don't get it.

Then again, I'm sure that I'm just choosing to ignore some of the universe-underpinning 'facts,' no?

ME:

Yeah, that's why I usually stay out of them. The "opinions" usually are un true gossip and stuff to try to tear the guy down. Much like the before mentioned USSR comment. It's silly, people choose to ignore the facts of his career here, and go with the gossip of "he sold US out" bologna. It's stupid.

I think you've skipped a few of my posts, I don't think I've said a whole lot about him coming back, most of it's been about how stupid it is to boo him. Yes Lids sucked in the playoffs last year.

No, reread the post before trying to jump all over me.

No,your just choosing to ignore most of the posts I've made, pick and choose one or two lines, warp them then talk s***.

^^ I think you skipped this one, is basically the same thing you just asked again. Always so quick to battle....

Oh, Z cleary and homer are worth there money, but then again, we weren't really talking about them, as there not in the same pay scale as 91. Sammy's not worthless, but then again, your no scout either.

Edited February 8, 2007 by bringback91

[WingNutt 12]

wow, I had no idea this thread would turn into this. Thier is alot of good discussion on this thread, but it seems its starting to get crazy again.

I agree with bringback91, no offense Crymson but you do tend to get all bent outta shape quite easily. Relax man, just because other people hold a different view on something is no reason to say they are on crack. Although I agree with some of what you said I don't agree with all of it.

This thread was originally ment to poke fun at the whole Feds situation. by saying that the reason why people dislike him is because they found out he was talking trash behind everyones back. Along with the old Espn commercial with him and Shanny.

This was never inteneded for serious discussion about his performance and trade ideas.

I would love to see him play for the Red Wings again I like Sergei and will follow his career no matter who he plays for and I will forever remember the great times in Detroit, the Nike sponsorship, everything he did for the team and city. For that I am a Federov Fan for life. Everyone doesen't have to share my opinion on this, but I don't agree with anyone Booing the guy. Believe it or not he still looks at Detroit as home.

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[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Sergei left out of greed and the need to be a star , he osnt a star anymore , he had all his best seaosn with detroit , no I will never hate him , but for his price tag , keep him out of hockey town , Teach rick nash and nik zherdev in CBJ , thats all you can really do anymore.