Holland making Schneider a priority

[Izzy24 44]

WAY WAY WAY fuc&*$# easier. anyone who would take markov over Schneider is a tard! Any moron can throw his body around and get burned not so many have Schneider's cannon of a shot from the point.

brutus

Wow, I've certainly been put in my place by this well-crafted and eloquently expressed post.

[zetterbergfuturemvp 0]

Ansar Khan:

I really don't like this if it means the end of Markov in Detroit. Markov is as gritty as they come and was a great partner for Lidstrom. The Wings are sacrificing Markov's defensive ability and Kronwall's minutes for Schneider's pretty stats. Don't get me wrong, Schneider's great but how is Kronwall ever supposed to develop if he never gets the ice time?

Let Schneider go, keep Markov's edge and physical presence. Up Kronwall's PP time and watch him put up better numbers.

i agree with you 100% , we need to get more physical in the back end not schneiders stats , plus schneider had an injury in the playoffs ....we dont need 3 defencemen that are 40 or on the verge of being 40 , 2 is enough

Tha'ts fantastic. He should definitely be on the Wings top priority list. Schneids is a very important, key part of the Wings D. I really hope the deal is around 3-4 years.

I think the Wings can get Markov to re-sign if he takes a pay cut. I don't think they are just going to let him go. Especially after how great he was in the post season.

3-4 years ?????????? LOLL good 1 , lets have him signed till hes 41-42

[EuroTwinLove40 0]

We definitely need Schneider back. I could care less about Markov, he didn't impress me...plus..he looks like a rat

[Guest DetroitIan]

Good, he needs to be a priority. 3-4 year deal should do it. Who knows, with Schneids we might be playing Ottawa right now. Get it done Kenny.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

i agree with you 100% , we need to get more physical in the back end not schneiders stats , plus schneider had an injury in the playoffs ....we dont need 3 defencemen that are 40 or on the verge of being 40 , 2 is enough

3-4 years ?????????? LOLL good 1 , lets have him signed till hes 41-42

Age has nothing to do with it. Do you see the guy slowing down, or fading as he's getting older? He's once again had one of his best seasons, and at the age of 37. Having him retire as a Wing in another 3-4 years is not a big deal. Some of you are really underestimating how important he is to the club.

Your injury excuse is weak. He had a freak injury, and it's not like he is one that constantly gets hurt during the season and playoffs. This was his first major injury since becoming a Red Wing.

The Wings are fine physially if Kronwall stays healthy, and Lilja continues with being the beast that he was in the playoffs. Plus, Mathieu is pretty fiesty himself. He may not duke it, but he'll throw his body around.

Really though..unless the Wings officially DON'T re-sign Markov then this talk means completely nothing. If he really wants to stay a Wing, he'll realize the situation the Wings are in, and take a pay cut. I'd definitely love for him to stay, and I don't think that's really out of the question if and when they re-sign Matt.

Edited June 2, 2007 by HockeyCrazy3033

[Guest DetroitIan]

I could care less about Markov, he didn't impress me...plus..he looks like a rat

I disagree. In fact, there has been times where I've thought he quite resembles Vladdy. In the face that is. Lord I wish he played like him though. lol

[HenrikRules40 14]

I disagree. In fact, there has been times where I've thought he quite resembles Vladdy. In the face that is. Lord I wish he played like him though. lol

He TOTALLY looks like Vladdy!!! I thought I was the only one who thought that.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

He TOTALLY looks like Vladdy!!! I thought I was the only one who thought that.

I've always thought so too! Everything about the guy reminds me of Vladdy.

[canadienhater 0]

Ansar Khan:

I really don't like this if it means the end of Markov in Detroit. Markov is as gritty as they come and was a great partner for Lidstrom. The Wings are sacrificing Markov's defensive ability and Kronwall's minutes for Schneider's pretty stats. Don't get me wrong, Schneider's great but how is Kronwall ever supposed to develop if he never gets the ice time?

Let Schneider go, keep Markov's edge and physical presence. Up Kronwall's PP time and watch him put up better numbers.

what happens if kronwall gets hurt which so far seems a yearly thing plus lets bring kronwall along slow

Knonwall will be a #3 defensemen. He was third in ice time out of defense men this season, what are you talking about? It's a no brainer to take schneider over markov. If Kronwall stays healthy he'll provide that physical presence. Sucks that we have to lose markov, but he made the right decision.

your right you can replace a markov the schieneders are harder to replace

[Guest DetroitIan]

I've always thought so too! Everything about the guy reminds me of Vladdy.

Except for of course, his hockey skills.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Except for of course, his hockey skills.

Yeah. I forgot to mention that. lol

[canadienhater 0]

Kronwell doesn't have the size for presence

I'm guessing Markov saw what Markov got in MTL

and the real problem is money...he's was our toughest Dman

I could live with Sarich / or a Shark

what about bryce salvador

i think people are underestimating the possibility of a trade we have all these young defenseman and the same type of small forwards like hudler

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

what about bryce salvador

The guy looks 12, and so very un-intimidating out there. At least in my opinion.

[canadienhater 0]

I really, really hope the Wings can re-sign Markov.

I think he is more of a priority to sign than Schnieder.

I'm trying not to knock Schneider. It definietly wouldn't have killed me if this was his final season if we were talking and debating prior to this seaaon starting. He played well esp. this postseason, and while I certainly won't mind if he returns, we already have a guy who plays a similar game like him, and he is Nicklas Lidstrom, and we all know how good he is.

I want Markov's snarl first, then worry about re-signing Scheider. I don't want getting Schneider back as an excuse or crutch not to re-sign Markov.

you saw what anahiem did in the playoffs they keyed on lidstrom on the pp

[WingFanInStarLand 0]

I like Schneids...but is it so wrong to covet Brad Stuart, even at the expense of either Matt or Markov ( I know I Know out of our price range...but still, I really think that is the type of player that would look great on our 2nd pair). I'm ready to give Kronwall more minutes on the PP as well, and I think if we could get a solid, physical minute-eating dman who moves the puck reasonably well that would be the perfect fit for th 2nd pair...Stuart seems to be in that mold.

For all those who pine for Sarich, remember that Cory is an excellent Dman when he doesn't have the puck. I'm all for creating a more intimidating blueline, but the Wings style of play demands that our Dmen be smart positionally and be able to handle the puck well...Sarich isn't great in either category, making him a lock for "you-turn-the-puck-over-all-the-time-LGW-Whipping boy of the year award. Physicality is great, but it needs to accompany decent puck skills and hockey instincts...I dont think Sarich has enough of either of these 2 requirements to be a 2nd pair dman on the Wings...

Stuart does, but alas he is going to get a nice contract, I doubt its within our range ...We could use a slick defensive dman with decent puck skills....man does Willie Mitchell look like a steal at 3.5 million now or what??

[zetterbergfuturemvp 0]

Age has nothing to do with it. Do you see the guy slowing down, or fading as he's getting older? He's once again had one of his best seasons, and at the age of 37. Having him retire as a Wing in another 3-4 years is not a big deal. Some of you are really underestimating how important he is to the club.

Your injury excuse is weak. He had a freak injury, and it's not like he is one that constantly gets hurt during the season and playoffs. This was his first major injury since becoming a Red Wing.

The Wings are fine physially if Kronwall stays healthy, and Lilja continues with being the beast that he was in the playoffs. Plus, Mathieu is pretty fiesty himself. He may not duke it, but he'll throw his body around.

Really though..unless the Wings officially DON'T re-sign Markov then this talk means completely nothing. If he really wants to stay a Wing, he'll realize the situation the Wings are in, and take a pay cut. I'd definitely love for him to stay, and I don't think that's really out of the question if and when they re-sign Matt.

did you ever consider the fact that maybe the reason hes had his 2 best seasons in his career is cause hes with the wings ??Having him here another 4 years is abig deal , we dont need 3 defensemen aged 40-50 in our team in a few years , that slows down the progress of our younger d, chelios and lidstrom is more then enough , and yes lilja had a good run but he did cost us the series and i doubt he will be as good as he was in the post season again, i cant picture him being that good for 82 games , im sure babcock will bench him soon enough.........if the wings resign matty hes gonna get like 4 mill per, and markov is a goner

[Vladiator 116]

It's gonna hurt the Wings if they lose both Schneids and Markov. Of course Markov is a grittier D than Schneids but the power player just went to hell without Schneids and he is decent on D, not as good as Markov, so yeah the management will have to make some decisions about this.

If the Wings can get them both at the right price, I think they would be both back next season. Markov has played some great D but I have always noticed that his zone out passes are dangerous and have caused some really bad turnovers that burnt the Wings.

[Guest bullocks]

I like Schneids...but is it so wrong to covet Brad Stuart, even at the expense of either Matt or Markov ( I know I Know out of our price range...but still, I really think that is the type of player that would look great on our 2nd pair). I'm ready to give Kronwall more minutes on the PP as well, and I think if we could get a solid, physical minute-eating dman who moves the puck reasonably well that would be the perfect fit for th 2nd pair...Stuart seems to be in that mold.

For all those who pine for Sarich, remember that Cory is an excellent Dman when he doesn't have the puck. I'm all for creating a more intimidating blueline, but the Wings style of play demands that our Dmen be smart positionally and be able to handle the puck well...Sarich isn't great in either category, making him a lock for "you-turn-the-puck-over-all-the-time-LGW-Whipping boy of the year award. Physicality is great, but it needs to accompany decent puck skills and hockey instincts...I dont think Sarich has enough of either of these 2 requirements to be a 2nd pair dman on the Wings...

Stuart does, but alas he is going to get a nice contract, I doubt its within our range ...We could use a slick defensive dman with decent puck skills....man does Willie Mitchell look like a steal at 3.5 million now or what??

brad stuart isn't an upgrade over schneider. if anything, it's a down grade. he's a little over-rated to say the least. and yah, willie mitchell is amazing. he's a nice bargain at 3.5 mill. nice in the playoffs too.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

It's easier to replace a Markov, then a Schneider.

I'm a really big fan of Markov , but I agree Schnieder would be a lot harder to replace, Kenny is doing the right thing making him the No 1 priority.

I really, really hope the Wings can re-sign Markov.

I think he is more of a priority to sign than Schnieder.

I'm trying not to knock Schneider. It definietly wouldn't have killed me if this was his final season if we were talking and debating prior to this seaaon starting. He played well esp. this postseason, and while I certainly won't mind if he returns, we already have a guy who plays a similar game like him, and he is Nicklas Lidstrom, and we all know how good he is.

I want Markov's snarl first, then worry about re-signing Scheider. I don't want getting Schneider back as an excuse or crutch not to re-sign Markov.

I never used to be that big of a fan of Schnieds but during the Series against the Ducks , I realised that we need him on the PP . The Ducks locked down Lids in the series and after that it was pretty much game over.

[therock48880 14]

It's easier to replace a Markov, then a Schneider.

That's exactly right. They aren't saying they won't try to get a physical defensemen. They're saying they will sign Schneider first. People are making it sound like they will sign Schneider and that will be it. I doubt it. What they REALLY need is a huge, stay at home d-man that can knock people off the puck. How many times did an opponenet get the puck in the Wing's zone and keep it there because no one could knock a player off the puck and take it away? Markov wasn't that player. A guy like that would be fairly cheap on the open market.

Simple fact is, we're a Schneider away from the Wings being in the Stanley Cup Finals and being up 2-0 on the Sens.

[HenrikRules40 14]

How about this idea boys & girls....Holland trades Lilja (while his stock is somewhat high), & Hudler for picks/pucks/donuts or whatever...That'll give Holland both 1 spot for an extra Dman (as well as a forward - hello Mr.Torres/Hartnell) and some cap space to re-sign Markov.

What kind of donuts?

[HenrikRules40 14]

Krispy Kreme, or Tim Hortons - your pick

:deal: Fat kid says deal.

[gcom007 1,465]

Anyone complaining about bringing Schneider back is just out of their minds and living in la la land. He's still one of the premier offensive-defensemen in the league and a huge part of our success. It'd be silly to let him go without any sort of fight. Everyone loves to talk about these young guys, but give me a break, it's just silly. Let them continue to develop and when they're ready, they'll come. Remember what happened the last time we gave someone a chance who wasn't ready or up for it? Oh yeah, that was Legace and he was abyssmal for us in the playoffs on all accounts...

"But he had a great regular season and a great start..." Yeah...

HITTING HOME RUNS IN A LITTLE LEAGUE FIELD!!!

Wow, he can play well behind a fantastic defense against bottom of the barrel teams in the easiest division in the league. Wow. Impressive. It don't mean jack. Give it time and let the NHLer's do their job in the meantime.

Edited June 2, 2007 by gcom007

[HenrikRules40 14]

Anyone complaining about bringing Schneider back is just out of their minds and living in la la land. He's still one of the premier offensive-defensemen in the league and a huge part of our success. It'd be silly to let him go without any sort of fight. Everyone loves to talk about these young guys, but give me a break, it's just silly. Let them continue to develop and when they're ready, they'll come. Remember what happened the last time we gave someone a chance who wasn't ready or up for it? Oh yeah, that was Legace and he was abyssmal for us in the playoffs on all accounts...

"But he had a great regular season and a great start..." Yeah...

HITTING HOME RUNS IN A LITTLE LEAGUE FIELD!!!

Wow, he can play well behind a fantastic defense against bottom of the barrel teams in the easiest division in the league. Wow. Impressive. It don't mean jack. Give it time and let the NHLer's do their job in the meantime.

Somebody give Manny the suicide hotline number...QUICK!

[Anomalously 0]

Fact is, we're going to downgrade the defense if we can't keep both. Without Markov, it's a hit to our penalty kill -- Schneider has no business being out there in shorthanded situations, he's lost in the defensive end, he's as prone to turnovers as Lang. Taking Schneider over Markov is also a hit 5-on-5.

Kronwall can eat some PK time, but face it, while he may have similar reckless abandon to Markov, he doesn't have the same hustle or ability to clear the puck out -- not even near it. Lilja, unless he sucks himself into a 7th position, is clutch at blocking shots and will get time, and Lidstrom's going to play at least half of any PK. Still leaves a void.

Who else, then... Lebda? Quincey or Meech? Really intimidating, guys. Be sure not to knock Hasek/who ever else off his game, because with a defensive corps this big...

These one-dimensional players are getting paid off handsomely, and I don't know why. Schneider isn't worth a dime more than $2.5 million (but then again, Kronwall will probably never be worth his $3M pay). Players with Markov's grit are also getting paid well; look at Witt's paycheck (it's pretty damned high). It's just a tough situation, and there's no solution sub-$2 million.