Weller Pops Tootoo

[Legionnaire11 0]

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Preds fans always play the Maltby card and say that him and Tootoo are just the same type of player. Maltby is an instigator, and Tootoo is just cheap. Being cheap and being an instigator is not synonymous. While Tootoo does get props over Maltby, because ya he actually does fight (I suppose), and Maltby can be kind of a wuss.

Yeah, I've not been crazy about some of Maltby's antics over the years since he doesn't drop the gloves. But he's still a world away from Tootoo.

tootoo has been in the league 3 years now and has already developed a reputation as a cheapshot artist. Maltby skating without a stick is still a better defensive forward and PK player than tootoo.

In other words, even without the questionable stuff, Maltby is still an asset to the team. Without his cheapshots, Tootoo is nothing.

[Guest DetroitIan]

Man, I love seeing TooToo get any sort of abuse. Especially when it's very deserved(which is obviously most of the time). Unfortunately It really didn't look like much of a shot. IMO TooToo was acting more hurt than he was(clearly to draw a call). You can really tell when they show it in slow-mo.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

some classy responses from the classiest fans in the league

Was it a dirty hit? yes, not as bad as it could have been, it does appear that he hit with the shoulder first and followed through with the forearm (yeah, the elbow is at the end of the forearm). But to Praise Weller for an even dirtier cheap shot is BS. You people are the same fans who were trashing Tootoo for not dropping the gloves and squaring up, but it's perfectly fine for Weller to clothsline a guy? whatever

As for having no ability. Tootoo already has 2 points in 5 games this season. If he keeps it up, he's on pace for 30+ anyone watching him this season can tell that he's turning it around this year.

I was wondering how long until you'd show up here.

Yeah, based on 5 games he's definitely turning it around.

Using your extrapolation, he's also on pace to be -33 and have about 17 more cheapshots this year.*

The worst thing the Preds could do is give Tootoo more ice time. For every goal he has a hand in, there'll be twice as many ending up in his own net.

The best numbers Tootoo has a shot at improving are suspensions. Seriously, you're defense of all things Nashville has gone from respectable to hilarious.

*that's assuming the flying elbow is the only one so far. There may have been others I didn't hear about.

Edited for typos.

Edited October 16, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[Bluedevils_13 0]

I F**king love Bure!

....anyways, thats exactly what Tootoo was trying to do, thanks for clearing that up chief.

[Flip-check 6]

So is that supposed to vindicate Tootoo? What's your point?

Tootoo's game is, and his intent here, was dirty, plain and simple. And if you don't understand what player-dispensed justice is... then you probably won't grasp why Weller is justified for his 1,000,000mph (yeah, it was so dangerous wasn't it?) headhunting clothesline on Tootoo.

Weller knocked him decently, but seriously, there's a point when you deserve what your peers throw back at you.

Edited October 16, 2007 by Flip-check

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

I missed this, but this article brought the situation to my attention. I like Weller.

Here is the PHX announcers, much more accurate than the Pred homers. PHX Call

I miss Dave....

Edited October 16, 2007 by BringHomeTheCup!

[Guest DetroitIan]

Was it a dirty hit? yes, not as bad as it could have been, it does appear that he hit with the shoulder first and followed through with the forearm (yeah, the elbow is at the end of the forearm). But to Praise Weller for an even dirtier cheap shot is BS. You people are the same fans who were trashing Tootoo for not dropping the gloves and squaring up, but it's perfectly fine for Weller to clothsline a guy? whatever

What the hell do you expect!!?? How many times is this little punk ass eskimo gonna get away with his CONSISTANT dirty play?? Penalties are all well and good. But obviously that doesn't teach certain players a lesson. And for you to say that Weller's shot on TooToo was dirtier than what TooToo was trying to do, is plain ignorance. Try watching the damn replay a few more times. What TooToo did was go OUT OF HIS WAY to try to hurt, possibly injure another player. This is HOCKEY. And you can clearly see TooToo wasn't even looking at the puck. At that moment, he had no idea where the puck was. The rate of speed TooToo was going, could have EASILY given a player a concussion or worse. What Weller did wasn't even in that ballpark. So take off your preds goggles for second. And try being objective. If anything, Weller should have pounded him a few times while he was down on the ice (faking like he was really, really hurt). You can only be dirty so many times before other players decide to inflict "on ice justice." Almost no one else in the LEAGUE deserves it more than TooToo. Maybe if he starts getting what he dishes out, he will decided to actually respect his fellow hockey players.

As for having no ability. Tootoo already has 2 points in 5 games this season. If he keeps it up, he's on pace for 30+ anyone watching him this season can tell that he's turning it around this year.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! I GUARUNTEE TooToo will not even hit 20 points this season. He just happend to get a few contributions in this YOUNG 6 game season. "TooToo might get 30 points"

Edited October 16, 2007 by DetroitIan

[Flip-check 6]

What the hell do you expect!!?? How many times is this little punk ass eskimo gonna get away with his CONSISTANT dirty play. Penalties are all well and good. But obviously that doesn't teach certain players a lesson.

You can only be dirty so many times before other players decide to inflict "on ice justice."

QFT

If a person isn't able to understand on ice justice, you're probably just a perennial whiner who can't see that actions have consequences and that when you keep slapping a proverbial dog in the face THEY WILL bite back at your dumb ass. Tootoo got some of that right there.

[2probert4 8]

Man, I love seeing TooToo get any sort of abuse. Especially when it's very deserved(which is obviously most of the time). Unfortunately It really didn't look like much of a shot. IMO TooToo was acting more hurt than he was(clearly to draw a call). You can really tell when they show it in slow-mo.

He's good to have on NHL08, guy hits like a bulldozer. He will have to start working on his offensive game if he wants to stay in the NHL.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

Don't show that to Fruitoo, he may get a notepad out.

As for applauding Weller, yes, we are. Sticking up for your teammate after he is cheap-shotted is applause-worthy. I guess the Nashville "enforcers" and their fans have not been around long enough to pick up the concepts of "fairplay" and "honor" in the NHL.

[johnnyoski 0]

Wow...what a difference between the Nashville and Phoenix feeds.

Is that Terry Crisp's dumb ass still doing color commentating for the Preds? "I have no idea what precipated that one".

He's either playing stupid or really is senile and shouldn't be calling hockey games.

[2probert4 8]

Wow...what a difference between the Nashville and Phoenix feeds.

Is that Terry Crisp's dumb ass still doing color commentating for the Preds? "I have no idea what precipated that one".

He's either playing stupid or really is senile and shouldn't be calling hockey games.

Scotch on the rocks is your answer to that one.

[FinWing 26]

I was wondering how long until you'd show up here.

Yeah, based on 5 games he's definitely turning it around.

Using your extrapolation, he's also on pace to be -33 and have about 17 more cheapshots this year.*

The worst thing the Preds could do is give Tootoo more ice time. For every goal he has a hand in, there'll be twice as many ending up in his own net.

The best numbers Tootoo has a shot at improving are suspensions. Seriously, you're defense of all things Nashville has gone from respectable to hilarious.

*that's assuming the flying elbow is the only one so far. There may have been others I didn't hear about.

Edited for typos.

Well said Harold, I think that pretty much sums it up. Legionnaire, given that you're mostly a very reasonable poster and make decent arguments, your man-love for that talentless scumbag is way beyond me. Of course there's always a bunch of ignorant fans that love watching assholes like Tootoo but you should know better.

Edited October 16, 2007 by FinWing

[e_mcgrath88 0]

What the hell do you expect!!?? How many times is this little punk ass eskimo gonna get away with his CONSISTANT dirty play?? Penalties are all well and good. But obviously that doesn't teach certain players a lesson. And for you to say that Weller's shot on TooToo was dirtier than what TooToo was trying to do, is plain ignorance. Try watching the damn replay a few more times. What TooToo did was go OUT OF HIS WAY to try to hurt, possibly injure another player. This is HOCKEY. And you can clearly see TooToo wasn't even looking at the puck. At that moment, he had no idea where the puck was. The rate of speed TooToo was going, could have EASILY given a player a concussion or worse. What Weller did wasn't even in that ballpark. So take off your preds goggles for second. And try being objective. If anything, Weller should have pounded him a few times while he was down on the ice (faking like he was really, really hurt). You can only be dirty so many times before other players decide to inflict "on ice justice." Almost no one else in the LEAGUE deserves it more than TooToo. Maybe if he starts getting what he dishes out, he will decided to actually respect his fellow hockey players.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! I GUARUNTEE TooToo will not even hit 20 points this season. He just happend to get a few contributions in this YOUNG 6 game season. "TooToo might get 30 points"

Here we go with the "eskimo" word again.. cant believe you hate him so much that you have to resort to racism... Dallas Drake was a scum bag cheap short artist too before he came here...

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

some classy responses from the classiest fans in the league

Was it a dirty hit? yes, not as bad as it could have been, it does appear that he hit with the shoulder first and followed through with the forearm (yeah, the elbow is at the end of the forearm). But to Praise Weller for an even dirtier cheap shot is BS. You people are the same fans who were trashing Tootoo for not dropping the gloves and squaring up, but it's perfectly fine for Weller to clothsline a guy? whatever

As for having no ability. Tootoo already has 2 points in 5 games this season. If he keeps it up, he's on pace for 30+ anyone watching him this season can tell that he's turning it around this year.

Legion, everyone hates Tootoo because he is the dirtiest player in the league. Even Bob Mac thinks so. As for it being such a cheap shot by weller, I wrote to you my opinion in another thread that it wasn't that bad and Tootoo sold the s*** out of it and Mckenzie agreed. Hell, people on hockeyfights.com agreed, everyone agrees. Tootoo wasn't hurt, he sold it to get the penalty and none of it changes anything. Tootoo is still the dirtiest player in the league. And when you are a player like tootoo, if old time hockey can prevail, the letter of the law is that you'll get yours one day. This wouldn't be my picture perfect way to get him back. Personally, i'm waiting for somebody even bigger and tougher than Weller to lay a beating on Tootoo. The day Tootoo picks himself up off the ice like Claude Lemieux did, bleeding from the head and face after McCarty beat the s*** out of him, is the day i'll stop picking on the guy.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists/bob_mckenzie/

Here we go with the "eskimo" word again.. cant believe you hate him so much that you have to resort to racism... Dallas Drake was a scum bag cheap short artist too before he came here...

He's the most hated guy in the league and in this forum. Do you have anything to contribute to the thread or are you just trying to get your junior g-man badge for being the mod police? So somebody called him an eskimo. Who gives a f***?

[Copenhagen848 58]

As nice as it is to see someone go after TooToo, Weller's clothesline didn't hurt TooToo nearly as bad as he made it look. TooToo is just a ***** and knew by laying down and milking it, someone other than him would take on Weller.

Tootoo = Bigger ***** than Perry

Totally agree....he started covering up his head while he was falling to the ice because he knew an ass whooping was coming. So, he just laid there on the ice pretending to be hurt so he wouldn't get the beat down he knew he had coming.

[Legionnaire11 0]

So is that supposed to vindicate Tootoo? What's your point?

no, I was just sharing it since we're on the topic of elbows and headshots.

as for Tootoo, I think the kid is a great story, but anyone who has been around me long enough knows that he's my (now second) least favorite player on the Preds, Scott Nichol is currently worse than Tootoo I believe. And it's not that I like to defend Tootoo's actions, I just think that they are overblown most of the time. Every hit he makes, or every fight he gets in somehow turns into the worst thing ever to happen in hockey when it hits the message boards. Is there crap like the Robidas hit where he earns that reputation? absolutely. But too many people let something like that cloud their judgement on other hits/fights.

Then you've got a guy like Scott Nichol who will spear a dude in the package, and no one says a thing. Tootoo is miles ahead of Nichol in the class and sportsmanship department.

Edited October 16, 2007 by Legionnaire11

[jerm8352 3]

That play is exactly why the instigator rule needs to go. Weller would have beat the snot out of Tootoo but couldn't because of the stupid instigator rule.

[seeinred 1,488]

some classy responses from the classiest fans in the league

Was it a dirty hit? yes, not as bad as it could have been, it does appear that he hit with the shoulder first and followed through with the forearm (yeah, the elbow is at the end of the forearm). But to Praise Weller for an even dirtier cheap shot is BS. You people are the same fans who were trashing Tootoo for not dropping the gloves and squaring up, but it's perfectly fine for Weller to clothsline a guy? whatever

Ugh...

Intent is a big part of these actions, and it's fairly obvious his intent was to toss a 'bow to the head. And to say what Weller did was a "cheap shot" is ridiculous. He came at him from the front, and threw him down to the ice. If he was really dirty, he would have pounded his face in like his intentions obviously were when he tried to pick him up off the ice. Weller did exactly what he needed to do, and probably a little less actually.

[Legionnaire11 0]

Madmartigan! nice!!

but still, Weller could have fought Tootoo. Instigator or not. What he did got a match penalty anyway... oh wait, because he did it to Tootoo, the NHL rescinded the match penalty.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Madmartigan! nice!!

but still, Weller could have fought Tootoo. Instigator or not. What he did got a match penalty anyway... oh wait, because he did it to Tootoo, the NHL rescinded the match penalty.

Nah, the rescinded the match because as I stated the day after it happened, it was a bad call by the referee. IMO, based on the score and the time remaining, he may have felt the powder keg was gonna blow so he overdid it. As I stated before, it would've been fine to give Weller a 2 and 10 minute misconduct, essentially getting him out of the game. The fact that there was no mention of Weller's "match penalty" on any website or any highlight of it blasting it as a heinous act of on ice violence just furthered my point that it was an overblown call, unworthy of a match penalty to begin with.

[seeinred 1,488]

I just had to share this with you all in case you haven't seen it. From the Predators' board, regarding their perception that the league is hanging Tootoo out to dry, saying it's OK to cheapshot him:

If it has to happen, I hope he's already got a team of attorneys lined up to drop a 500 mil lawsuit on the league for wanton disregard, capricious decisions, and malicious intent leading up to it. And every other silly sounding legal phrase that we can think of.

I seriously thought that he could have done something like this on the Robidas suspension. With the simple concept that all he did was hit a guy who was attacking him. Videos of the incident would have proved this very easily in court.

If anybody here really does know Tootoo, you should suggest this to him. This Weller thing is so blatant, I believe it's a slam dunk waiting to be won. And most hockey fans would flat out love to see Buttman's & Colon's silly a$ses in court. Tootoo would be a gigantic hero simply for making this happen.

That made my day.

[Legionnaire11 0]

The fact that there was no mention of Weller's "match penalty" on any website or any highlight of it blasting it as a heinous act of on ice violence just furthered my point that it was an overblown call, unworthy of a match penalty to begin with.

Serious question now, not arguing... You don't think that any of it at all had to do with the fact that it was Tootoo?

I have a feeling that the opinions would be different if the names on the jerseys were different, or if the entire situation was reversed. What if it were Martin Erat coming around the back of the net and Weller charging at him gets an elbow up high to the head, then Tootoo comes in and clotheslines Weller? You know for a fact that everyone would be laying into Tootoo for it and calling for his suspension and ouster from the league.

It's like if I killed someone and went to Prison, people would say how terrible I was, and the judicial system would punish me accordingly. But fast forward a couple years and suppose I murdered Ted Kaczynski while I was in there. Would the prison officials ignore it just because of who I killed? no, they would add on to my sentence and put me in harsher conditions.

I just had to share this with you all in case you haven't seen it. From the Predators' board, regarding their perception that the league is hanging Tootoo out to dry, saying it's OK to cheapshot him:

That made my day.

ugh, it's embarassing to read that stuff. I hope people can see that i'm not THAT much of a homer.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Madmartigan! nice!!

but still, Weller could have fought Tootoo. Instigator or not. What he did got a match penalty anyway... oh wait, because he did it to Tootoo, the NHL rescinded the match penalty.

Or maybe because after the inital takedown, the officials realized that Tootoo was playing it up and the clothesline wasn't early as bad as he made it seem.

Because Tootoo is such a little punk, I'm sure his dirty reputation did factor somewhat into the equation. If a standup guy had been taken down like that, the officials likely would've given them more of the benefit of the doubt.

You reap what you sow.

Saw this in another thread. More sportswriters are chiming in about Tootoo and his ilk.

The new breed of enforcers may end up being puck-optional punishers like Ryan Hollweg and Jordan Tootoo -- guys who fly around the ice looking to hurt unsuspecting players by leveling a slightly late, often high and always malicious body blow.

it's not just us Wings fans here because of some "rivalry" with the Preds. It's the prevailing opinion of pretty much everyone outside of Nashville.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...ting/index.html

Edited October 16, 2007 by haroldsnepsts