theman19 47 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 i just dont' get it man,....ya'll have like,...20 million tied up in that back end,...it astonishes me to think this guy gets paid lidstrom money Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) Where can I see video of this? Izzy, you don't even need to see video to appreciate it. I'm just reading the Leafs HFboard and laughing my ass off. This is ridiculously funny s***!!! Only because it is so ridiculous. Like, my God? HOW? Is a Tselios hand mystically and supernaturally somewhere in this? Edited October 16, 2007 by Flip-check Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 He never actually said it, but everybody knew that his wife wanted to go back there to be closer to her family when they started one of their own. As for Kubina, he's been pretty bad, no question. The problem for him is partially his defence partner. It was Andy Wozniewski and it just doesn't work. Both are far too slow to cover up any mistakes. Carlo Colaiacovo could be back by Saturday and I don't think it'll be long before Anton Stralman is brought in. The kid is quite simply dominating in the AHL and has no business playing there for much longer. He's just way too good. They need Colaiacovo, he was one of there best defenceman last season. Kaberle-Stralman McCabe-Colaiacovo (They played well last season) Gill-White Wozzy Send down Kubina, They need to trade McCabe, but until thats done, pair him with Carlo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nero 20 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 The video is right here: http://www.nhl.tv/team/console?hlg=2007200...mp;event=BUF693 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy24 44 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 Izzy, you don't even need to see video to appreciate it. I'm just reading the Leafs HFboard and laughing my ass off. This is ridiculously funny s***!!! Only because it is so ridiculous. Like, my God? HOW? Is a Tselios hand mystically and supernaturally somewhere in this? But a picture is worth a thousand angry, angry words, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 i just dont' get it man,....ya'll have like,...20 million tied up in that back end,...it astonishes me to think this guy gets paid lidstrom money Fortunately, his cap hit is just $5.75 million. As I said before, his contract is front-loaded, so a buyout either this summer or next summer is actually only a minor cap hit ($1.6 million or so). McCabe is going to get the Alfredsson cheer on Thursday, a lot worse than the one he got on Saturday. Hopefully it changes his mind about wanting to play three more years in Toronto after this. They need Colaiacovo, he was one of there best defenceman last season. Kaberle-Stralman McCabe-Colaiacovo (They played well last season) Gill-White Wozzy Send down Kubina, They need to trade McCabe, but until thats done, pair him with Carlo. He should play on Saturday or at the latest, early next week. I'm not sure how well a Kaberle - Stralman pairing would work since they're essentially the same type of player, but there really is a lack of options. Stralman has to get in there, he's way too good not to play. The problem with Carlo is that as soon as he starts to hit his groove and play the way he can, he gets hurt again. I'd rather have even Staffan Kronwall come up to play with Ian White over Gill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 Yeah, I really like Gill, but he's been as bad as McCabe and Kubina Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 But a picture is worth a thousand angry, angry words, right? That much is true. But no picture can match reading post after post of stunned Leaf fans and imagining the utter disbelief inherent in watching that showstopper. Those are the real meat and cheese there, good sir. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 Yeah, I really like Gill, but he's been as bad as McCabe and Kubina Gill has been a real good PK defenceman, which is more than the other two stiffs can say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted October 16, 2007 McCabe for Eric Cole and Gleason/Wallin would be great for Toronto. Kopecky for Ovechkin would also be great for us, but, like the trade you've proposed, it'll never happen because it wouldn't be so good for the other side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 Yeah, Gill is a good PKer. I was thinking about a possible Markov return to TO? They gotta get rid of Kubina by either sending him down, waiving or trading. Markov would bring some speed and grit to there line-up. Plus, for once I'd like to see the Leafs have a decent looking defence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 It would be a bad idea to bring Markov back to Toronto, given the circumstances of his original departure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy24 44 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 *WARNING: This is a serious, yet Chelios related, post.* Didn't McCabe train with Chelios in the offseason at some point? If so, why isn't he more Chelios-like and less McCabe-like? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 *WARNING: This is a serious, yet Chelios related, post.* Didn't McCabe train with Chelios in the offseason at some point? If so, why isn't he more Chelios-like and less McCabe-like? Because his brain and his hands are still pure McCabe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 I think the answer could be somewhere in the tao te ching, because this is clearly a question that involves Deeper Workings of the Universe. But the simple version might be no matter how masterful the teacher, not all s*** on the wall sticks? Or maybe not all sticks break as evenly to lay on the blue line? I think it's a question you-know-who has to answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) McCabe is plain awful. Why did he even agree to stay in Toronto if he initally wanted out anyways, and knowing that the fans hate him? Kubina was just one of the many gaffs that appear on JFJ's resume. They already had McCabe at that point, so why exactly did they spend over 5 million on another defenseman stricly for the PP? They might as well have signed Oleg Tverdovsky and Janne Niinimaa to big money contracts while they were at it, if that's the road they were headed on. The Leafs have their problems, that's for sure. JFJ is probably the league's worst GM since Mad Mike. It's always masked by the fact that Leafs are always finishing in 9th place though, which screws them on both ends. They aren't making the playoffs, nor getting any high draft picks either. The Toskala trade was probably the best career move by JFJ, but if he doesn't get anything playing in front of him, it won't matter anyways. Edited October 16, 2007 by Kp-Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 I still am having trouble with the idea of ending your own game. It's just so rich an image that I don't know if I want to see the real thing later, you know? Maybe it won't be as funny as I have it built up in my head? Those poor Leaf fans, good god. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 McCabe is plain awful. Why did he even agree to stay in Toronto if he initally wanted out anyways, and knowing that the fans hate him? Kubina was just one of the many gaffs that appear on JFJ's resume. They already had McCabe at that point, so why exactly did they spend over 5 million on another defenseman stricly for the PP? They might as well have signed Oleg Tverdovsky and Janne Niinimaa to big money contracts while they were at it, if that's the road they were headed on. The Leafs have their problems, that's for sure. JFJ is probably the league's worst GM since Mad Mike. It's always masked by the fact that Leafs are always finishing in 9th place though, which screws them on both ends. They aren't making the playoffs, nor getting any high draft picks either. The Toskala trade was probably the best career move by JFJ, but if he doesn't get anything playing in front of him, it won't matter anyways. Because Fergie agreed to demands that McCabe quickly realized he would never get from any other team and took his money with the Leafs. Here's my theory on Kubina/Gill on July 1, 2006: Fergie desparately wanted to steal Zdeno Chara away from Ottawa. He had $7.5 million (and some say , offered up to $8 milllion) earmarked for Chara and when Chara chose Boston, Fergie panicked. He panicked and signed the next guy available (Kubina) for whatever it took to get him. Kubina claims he had bigger offers from other teams, but I think he's just covering up for his boss. He then used the leftover money to get GIll, for whatever reason. What do the placement of your 1st round picks matter when you never keep them? Tuukka Rask is going to come back and bite them in the ass. Toskala looks like he's going to be a real solid goaltender, but it's going to be a long time before he ever has a solid defence in front of him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 What was the reasons for his departure in T.O.?.....I liked Markov as a Leaf - thought he played great alongside commrade Yushkevich. He got involved in cocaine and with some shady characters connected to the Russian mob. It was getting pretty bad where they were asking him to bankroll drug operations and such and he was in such a bad way mentally with the drugs that the Leafs got a plea from his agent along with his family to get him as far away from Toronto as possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 man you know that he is hurting inside after that one i know i would be... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 He got involved in cocaine and with some shady characters connected to the Russian mob. It was getting pretty bad where they were asking him to bankroll drug operations and such and he was in such a bad way mentally with the drugs that the Leafs got a plea from his agent along with his family to get him as far away from Toronto as possible. Which, subsquently, was Phoenix. Wow, I never knew that story. I always knew he smoked, but he was actually tied to the Russian mob? Just another reason now I'm glad he's not back with the Wings. His ridiculous contract demands and possible off-ice distractions are a major turn off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 McCabe is the worst player paid 7 million in the league. What a titanic waste of money. Dude- he's clearly gunning for a spot on Edmonton's blueline. Can anyone say overpaid goal-scoring defenseman who couldn't give two s***s about defending? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 The ultimate solution to this mess lies in firing John Ferguson. Kubina or McCabe aren't going to be moved because his admitting failure in those players would be admitting failure in himself, and he's already on thin ice as it is. Sadly, the Leafs have to end up as bad as the Flyers were last year before a move is made mid-season. Also, Maurice needs to implement a defensive system to help out the defencemen. They don't have enough defensive ability back there to play run 'n gun. It's like they've reverted back to Pat Quinn hockey. Maybe Maurice needs to go too before that happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 Kopecky for Ovechkin would also be great for us, but, like the trade you've proposed, it'll never happen because it wouldn't be so good for the other side. You've deliberately overstated your counterpoint so as to highlight the absurdity of the poster's original comment. Hey! I think I'm getting the hang of this sarcasm thing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 But hey, let's look at the bright side.... Nik Antropov is finally playing like he can, Matt Stajan is finally showing the he can put up points at the NHL level and Simon Gamache is looking like a great find. If only they could play defence..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites