grigorenko

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

well that sucks. it really sucks to have been waiting for this kid for like 5 years and have such high hopes and then not have it pan out.

did you guys see the bottom where babcock said the go wings go chant was louder in phoenix than it is at home?

our home crowd is embarrassing. this is getting ridiculous. i think it's fair to say that hockeytown, if not dead already, is on life support.

Gotta agree with you on Grigorenko, but that's the way it is with bringing in players from overseas. Sometimes you get a steal like Pavel and Hank, and sometimes you get a bust like this. Lets be grateful that the Wings haven't had too many of these overhyped busts like some other teams have.

[TheBadOne 0]

did you guys see the bottom where babcock said the go wings go chant was louder in phoenix than it is at home?

our home crowd is embarrassing. this is getting ridiculous. i think it's fair to say that hockeytown, if not dead already, is on life support.

Phoenix's home crowd is even more embarrassing... of course, if they put a winning team on the ice, I think thing's would be different...

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

Phoenix's home crowd is even more embarrassing... of course, if they put a winning team on the ice, I think thing's would be different...

true, but they're not one of the most important hockey markets in the nhl, and they don't call themselves hockeytown.

[joshy207 156]

Since when do ill-prepared, underperforming rookies get to call the shots? Is this the NBA or NFL??

Grigorenko has done absolutely nothing to warrant being on Detroit's roster at this point. I'm sure the only reason he's here is that the Wings' brass is hoping to get at least SOMETHING out of their investment in Grigorenko. Maybe they can show him just how not ready he is at this point and convince him that, if he wants to play here like he says he does, a year of hard work and learning in Grand Rapids will be the best thing for him. A more vindictive management would send the clown back to Russia on the first plane they could find. My guess is that after a few weeks, unfortunately, we never hear anything from Grigorenko again.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Finally, Grigs has returned to the Wings:

That's so funny, and yet, it's also true!

[vangvace 12]

Found this interesting...

NHL.com

Detroit Red Wings Assistant GM Jim Nill scouted Grigorenko over the winter and signed him to a one-year deal in May.

Didn't know that it was Nill that pulled the trigger on the deal.

[Sting 11 0]

I wasn't super optimistic about this situation to begin with. This article makes me less optimistic.

Grigorenko "not interested" in Grand Rapids.

That kind of attitude just doesn't fly, not just in hockey, but in any job. When you're new you must pay your dues and earn both experience and respect. The fact that he is ignoring this bit of common sense tells me he's not long for this team. In effect, he's rejecting reality and substituting it with his own.

And that goes without mentioning the fact he hasn't done jack squat in GR. So, stick a fork in him. Such a shame, too.

[sibiriak 84]

That kind of attitude just doesn't fly, not just in hockey, but in any job. When you're new you must pay your dues and earn both experience and respect. The fact that he is ignoring this bit of common sense tells me he's not long for this team. In effect, he's rejecting reality and substituting it with his own.

And that goes without mentioning the fact he hasn't done jack squat in GR. So, stick a fork in him. Such a shame, too.

What doesn't work in any job is when your are trying to entice away someone else's employee, but only offer him the minimum wage with a chance to earn about half of what he made at his old job, IF he proves himself. Anybody who takes such an offer would only do so if he REALLY wants to work for your company.

And if Grigorenko doesn't get to play for the Wings, whyever would he want to stay in GR and earn $70,000? If the Wings management thinks that Grigorenko will play in the NHL this season, they should let him adjust while paying him something close to his salary in Russia. Whether he plays in the NHL or not. If they don't think he can make the team, why waste each other time and money? This was precisely why the 11/1 deadline was written in the contract. Both sides recognized that Grigorenko is sacrificing a lot of money for a shot to make the Wings roster. And if he can't do it in 2-2.5 months, then he can cut his losses. I think it's fair.

Do you think that if Downey or Ellis could earn $1,000,000 elsewhere, they would give that up for a two-way contract with the Wings? Dream on.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

What doesn't work in any job is when your are trying to entice away someone else's employee, but only offer him the minimum wage with a chance to earn about half of what he made at his old job, IF he proves himself. Anybody who takes such an offer would only do so if he REALLY wants to work for your company.

And if Grigorenko doesn't get to play for the Wings, whyever would he want to stay in GR and earn $70,000? If the Wings management thinks that Grigorenko will play in the NHL this season, they should let him adjust while paying him something close to his salary in Russia. Whether he plays in the NHL or not. If they don't think he can make the team, why waste each other time and money? This was precisely why the 11/1 deadline was written in the contract. Both sides recognized that Grigorenko is sacrificing a lot of money for a shot to make the Wings roster. And if he can't do it in 2-2.5 months, then he can cut his losses. I think it's fair.

Do you think that if Downey or Ellis could earn $1,000,000 elsewhere, they would give that up for a two-way contract with the Wings? Dream on.

I think the flaw in your example is that the difference might not just be money. When you get to the point where at either job (in this case NHL vs REL) you can bring home similar income, then the quality of working conditions, and other such things come in play. Don't forget the NHL is the bst hockey league in the world. My point? It isn't always about the money. Sometimes it's about the competition you are facing. We all know that the AHL isn't the REL, but with the AHL come the potential to reach the NHL. I think we will see what kind of heart Grigs has. But I just don't think he can cut it.

I just wish the Wings would cut ties with this kid. I am so tired of hearing about him. At this point, he is no better than Maltby.,

[Sting 11 0]

What doesn't work in any job is when your are trying to entice away someone else's employee, but only offer him the minimum wage with a chance to earn about half of what he made at his old job, IF he proves himself. Anybody who takes such an offer would only do so if he REALLY wants to work for your company.

And if Grigorenko doesn't get to play for the Wings, whyever would he want to stay in GR and earn $70,000? If the Wings management thinks that Grigorenko will play in the NHL this season, they should let him adjust while paying him something close to his salary in Russia. Whether he plays in the NHL or not. If they don't think he can make the team, why waste each other time and money? This was precisely why the 11/1 deadline was written in the contract. Both sides recognized that Grigorenko is sacrificing a lot of money for a shot to make the Wings roster. And if he can't do it in 2-2.5 months, then he can cut his losses. I think it's fair.

Do you think that if Downey or Ellis could earn $1,000,000 elsewhere, they would give that up for a two-way contract with the Wings? Dream on.

If that's the case then he never should have come over to begin with. He should have known that in order to avoid the fate of most rookies (a stint in the minors) and eventually surpass his Russian salary, he would need to be extraordinary. As it stands right now, he's wasting everybody's time including his own.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

And it's gotta feel like a slap in the face for players like McGrath, Quincy, Ericson or Kindl who worked their asses off in the summer and showed the Wings brass a lot more than what Grigs has put up.

Not really because they're all aware of the situation. If we read quotes indicating the Wings brass aren't impressed with Grigs and feel they're being forced to bring him up to the club, you can be damn sure the rest of the boys are talking about it off the ice.

Clearly it's a "here's your assignment, prove us wrong" situation. The guys on the bosses good side all see that just like we do. If Grigs makes it he's going to have to do a whole hell of a lot to prove he's ready.

So stop turning against him and look at it this way: NHL prospects are investments. Sometimes an investment doesn't pan out. If you've got nothing to lose and you have a chance to make it right you do. Because that investment represents a chunk of your portfolio and dumping it without due course is a poor use of your money.

If Grigs comes up and shows some promise but poor conditioning the Wings might be able to unload him on one of the other 29 teams out there who don't let their prospects ferment until their late twenties before playing them.

I'm really frustrated with Grigs right now, but no one here seems to remember one key thing:

His agent has been translating every word to him then back again. Think about that. Somehow I think certain details are slanted in a certain way. Let's not forget that agents get a cut of the player's salary. Maybe all the advice this kid is getting from everyone around him is just the opposite of what you'd say.

Have some empathy- Grigs is a human, not a hockey robot built for our pleasure.

I think the flaw in your example is that the difference might not just be money. When you get to the point where at either job (in this case NHL vs REL) you can bring home similar income, then the quality of working conditions, and other such things come in play. Don't forget the NHL is the bst hockey league in the world. My point? It isn't always about the money. Sometimes it's about the competition you are facing. We all know that the AHL isn't the REL, but with the AHL come the potential to reach the NHL. I think we will see what kind of heart Grigs has. But I just don't think he can cut it.

I just wish the Wings would cut ties with this kid. I am so tired of hearing about him. At this point, he is no better than Maltby.,

This kid's been committed to being a pro hockey player since he gave up his other career pursuits. Age, what, 17ish? Ok, so he's ~24 now. How long does he have in the league, even if he plays extrordinary? He's not playing until he's 40- statistics say that. Let's be generous and give him 12 NHL paychecks. Ok, now tax aside, let's consider that. You have 12 years of earning in your career, IF you're lucky, avoid injury and play well. Think about that. Maybe, just maybe, money, even when it's in a scale far larger then any of us likely earn right now, is a critical consideration. Does anyone here think former regular nhl joes that are in their late 40's are living it up? I'll bet that most aren't. I bet they're mostly upper-middle class guys. Many are smart with their money and invest well, but face it- their income is coming in short and sweet. Short and sweet is pretty unforgiving when it comes to making bad life decisions.

[Lamothe 5]

Not really because they're all aware of the situation. If we read quotes indicating the Wings brass aren't impressed with Grigs and feel they're being forced to bring him up to the club, you can be damn sure the rest of the boys are talking about it off the ice.

Clearly it's a "here's your assignment, prove us wrong" situation. The guys on the bosses good side all see that just like we do. If Grigs makes it he's going to have to do a whole hell of a lot to prove he's ready.

So stop turning against him and look at it this way: NHL prospects are investments. Sometimes an investment doesn't pan out. If you've got nothing to lose and you have a chance to make it right you do. Because that investment represents a chunk of your portfolio and dumping it without due course is a poor use of your money.

If Grigs comes up and shows some promise but poor conditioning the Wings might be able to unload him on one of the other 29 teams out there who don't let their prospects ferment until their late twenties before playing them.

I'm really frustrated with Grigs right now, but no one here seems to remember one key thing:

His agent has been translating every word to him then back again. Think about that. Somehow I think certain details are slanted in a certain way. Let's not forget that agents get a cut of the player's salary. Maybe all the advice this kid is getting from everyone around him is just the opposite of what you'd say.

Have some empathy- Grigs is a human, not a hockey robot built for our pleasure.

This kid's been committed to being a pro hockey player since he gave up his other career pursuits. Age, what, 17ish? Ok, so he's ~24 now. How long does he have in the league, even if he plays extrordinary? He's not playing until he's 40- statistics say that. Let's be generous and give him 12 NHL paychecks. Ok, now tax aside, let's consider that. You have 12 years of earning in your career, IF you're lucky, avoid injury and play well. Think about that. Maybe, just maybe, money, even when it's in a scale far larger then any of us likely earn right now, is a critical consideration. Does anyone here think former regular nhl joes that are in their late 40's are living it up? I'll bet that most aren't. I bet they're mostly upper-middle class guys. Many are smart with their money and invest well, but face it- their income is coming in short and sweet. Short and sweet is pretty unforgiving when it comes to making bad life decisions.

Well said.

[Hank 0]

Not really because they're all aware of the situation. If we read quotes indicating the Wings brass aren't impressed with Grigs and feel they're being forced to bring him up to the club, you can be damn sure the rest of the boys are talking about it off the ice.

Clearly it's a "here's your assignment, prove us wrong" situation. The guys on the bosses good side all see that just like we do. If Grigs makes it he's going to have to do a whole hell of a lot to prove he's ready.

So stop turning against him and look at it this way: NHL prospects are investments. Sometimes an investment doesn't pan out. If you've got nothing to lose and you have a chance to make it right you do. Because that investment represents a chunk of your portfolio and dumping it without due course is a poor use of your money.

If Grigs comes up and shows some promise but poor conditioning the Wings might be able to unload him on one of the other 29 teams out there who don't let their prospects ferment until their late twenties before playing them.

I'm really frustrated with Grigs right now, but no one here seems to remember one key thing:

His agent has been translating every word to him then back again. Think about that. Somehow I think certain details are slanted in a certain way. Let's not forget that agents get a cut of the player's salary. Maybe all the advice this kid is getting from everyone around him is just the opposite of what you'd say.

Have some empathy- Grigs is a human, not a hockey robot built for our pleasure.

This kid's been committed to being a pro hockey player since he gave up his other career pursuits. Age, what, 17ish? Ok, so he's ~24 now. How long does he have in the league, even if he plays extrordinary? He's not playing until he's 40- statistics say that. Let's be generous and give him 12 NHL paychecks. Ok, now tax aside, let's consider that. You have 12 years of earning in your career, IF you're lucky, avoid injury and play well. Think about that. Maybe, just maybe, money, even when it's in a scale far larger then any of us likely earn right now, is a critical consideration. Does anyone here think former regular nhl joes that are in their late 40's are living it up? I'll bet that most aren't. I bet they're mostly upper-middle class guys. Many are smart with their money and invest well, but face it- their income is coming in short and sweet. Short and sweet is pretty unforgiving when it comes to making bad life decisions.

Grigs is lazy and he sucks.

[Kutcher 0]

Grigs is lazy and he sucks.

agreed