blues_demitra38 11 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Make no mistake, Hossa is no Bertuzzi. Marian is in his prime and under 30, he could potentially carry the Wings for the next 4-5 years. Whether or not they could afford him is another story. He is essentially the same player as Zetterberg and I doubt there is room for both. As for what it would take to land him? Probably a first rounder along with Hudler and some other minor pieces. If that's the deal then Ken Holland would do it any day of the week. I see it as a Miguel Cabrera type deal, giving up a young, unproven prospect for a young player in his prime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Hossa would be absolutely lights-out on this team, but it'd come down to personnel cost. That cost will be VERY high, and if the Wings are going to part with a lot to get him, that means they'll want to sign him long term.... which leads to some serious salary cap issues heading into 2009-10. We'll have to see, anything's possible. Like Matt said, Hossa would be stoopidly amazing on this team -- but they'll have to give up a lot and lock him up long-term, and I have no reason to think management is willing to do either of those things. "If it ain't broke dur dur dur lawlzz!1" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,049 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 IMO, if the Wings did deal they would like to sign him long term -- and that means some creative cap juggling. You're fine next year, but when Zetterberg's extension comes due (he won't get less than $7.3M, IMO) you've got some manuvering to do because Lidstrom's $7.45M is still on the roster there. If the cap is going to continue to rise, this makes it possible. But that's a gamble -- a big one. For instance, assuming the Wings signed Hossa for around $8.0M/year, you're talking about having $31-million tied up in the salaries for Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Rafalski, Hossa and Kronwall. That's a lot of coin when you consider it rapidly approaches $40 million with Zetterberg's extension.... $36-38M tied up in 6 players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shannyfan1414 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Man i think it would be nice if we could get Hossa. I have always liked the way that he plays. He can put the puck in the net and can be creative. He would be a nice guy to add into our line up. Dats - Fill - Homer Zetter - Hudler - Hossa Hmmm, i wouldn't mind seeing those top two lines. then line three could be Drapper - Cleary - Franzen Oh and what do you know. There wouldn't be sport left for Sammy. Oh darn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) I agree with all of that (EDIT: Re: Matt), and all of that leads me to believe that -- as much as I'd love to see Hossa sporting the Winged Wheel come the playoffs -- this is a crazy-ass pipe dream. We all know how Holland deals with long-term contractual considerations: he shuts out the background noise (i.e. potential acquisitions) and devotes all of his attention to re-signing. Which is fine; that's good general management. But it means, as I think we're all probably aware, that he won't look to bring in any heavy-hitters (let alone ones looking for big, fat long-term deals) until Hank is locked up. And this is saying nothing of the other costs, i.e. the folks we'd have to part with. A 1st rounder...sure, I could see that. Hudler...well, I'd have no problem cutting him loose, but I can't help but think he's more or less "safe." A prospect...now the odds start to look steep. I honestly think we're more likely to net Sundin than we are Hossa. Which would be fine. But I can pray. Right? mehhhh Edited January 16, 2008 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEVILSWATERBOY 10 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Picture Hossa going to Blackhawks and back with his old team mate Havlat, that could be scary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) Everyone's best friend Eklund actually posted something about Hossa (and Dumont) today: I am told that Hossa to Detroit is VERY close to happening. (e4) In fact, were I to guess, I would say that Hossa is a Red Wing well before the deadline. Perhaps, just following the All-Star game. That is not to say that Hossa won't return to Atlanta this summer, but from all I have heard Hossa will be a rental and extension talks have been very slow going in Atlanta. In the end, Hossa may really want to see where he stands on the open market. Dumont is a similar case. It is I am sure terribly painful for Preds fans to consider making a deal with the Devil and sending one of their most poplular players to their harshest enemy. When Dumont signed with Nashville, the Red Wings were in the bidding right up until the end. In fact I have even heard rumours that Dumont turned down more money in Detroit and chose to come to Nashville. JP, from all accounts, loves Nashville. I expect he could return as well, but depending on where the Preds sit on February 26th, the Preds will have to consider renting him out. He is a clutch playoff guy and could really be a difference maker in a tough series for someone. Take it with a grain of salt, as we all know this guy talks out of his ass a lot. However, if the Wings really are targeting Hossa, he'd be one of the few guys I'd be willing to give up a lot of assets for if I'm Holland. He fits in the Wings system perfectly because he's tremendously effective in all three zones. He's only 29 years old so he would give the Wings the legitimate scoring threat from the wing they've been missing. He's an elite offensive talent with great size who could be around for a long time if he's willing to re-sign -- and from the looks of it (like Kevin Allen said) it seemed he wanted to put on a show for the Wings. This is the type of guy that is worth the assets it would take to acquire him because he's young and there's a chance he'd re-sign...similar to the Cabrera/Willis deal. This isn't a nearly sure-fire rental like Sundin or Blake. No one in the Wings system has the potential to match Hossa's scoring prowess, especially not on the wing. He's like Zetterberg with more size and better natural scoring ability. It's a move that would secure the top-six for years, with Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hossa, and Filppula. On top of that, I think Holland and Wings management want to restore some of the buzz around the Wings. This would do it. I'd more than willingly give up Hudler, high picks, and one of the glut of defenseman we have for him. The biggest obstacle is the cap and how it would effect re-signings down the road. I know I'll be rooting for Carolina to take that division until the deadline. ...and to those who say Hossa disappears in the playoffs: I can remember the same things being said about a certain guy on the team right now. I think his name began with a P and ended with an avel Datsyuk. Pavel has 31 points in 60 playoff games (.52 PPG). Hossa has 35 in 55 (.63 PPG). Trust me, the guy would have no problem putting up numbers here. Edited January 16, 2008 by ARice89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 I do not want Hossa in Detroit, he would ask too much money and we need elite defenseman much more than elite forward. Oh and btw Zetterberg is better than Hossa overall, especially his defensive abilities are superior to Hossa's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) I do not want Hossa in Detroit, he would ask too much money and we need elite defenseman much more than elite forward. Oh and btw Zetterberg is better than Hossa overall, especially his defensive abilities are superior to Hossa's. We have Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Kronwall. We won't be getting a Pronger or a Niedermayer any time soon. This is about as "elite" as it gets for the Wings on defense. They need a big bruiser on defense that will make forwards think twice about going to the net...not an "elite" defenseman. An elite forward like Hossa would give the Wings three elite scoring threats up front that are all among the best two-way forwards in the NHL. Filppula, Cleary, and Hudler have been good, but it would worry me a bit going into the playoffs. With Hossa, Zetterberg, and Datsyuk, who do teams key on? The Wings had Anaheim beat last year but couldn't score when it mattered most. Their defense was depleted but they blew a few 5-on-3 opportunities. A guy like Hossa would make the powerplay absolutely lethal. The Wings have lacked a pure scorer for a couple years. Edited January 16, 2008 by ARice89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blood On The Ice 15 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Right now, he is not going anywhere. With Atlanta's win over the Wings, Atlanta is now tied for first place in their division. If Atlanta is a position to get into the playoffs come trade deadline, Hossa does not get traded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Here's more from McKenzie: Marian Hossa is going to market. That is the message the Atlanta Thrasher forward has delivered in no uncertain terms to general manager Don Waddell. Sources say that Hossa, his agent Ritch Winter and Waddell met earlier this week in Atlanta over dinner and then went to an Atlanta Hawks' basketball game and that over the course of the evening Hossa told Waddell that he's not prepared to sign a long-term extension with the Thrashers at this point and will go to unrestricted free agency on July 1. Sources say Hossa is telling friends that he expects to be traded before the NHL trade deadline on Feb. 26. More included in the link. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Well, here's how I see it. Hudler, Filpulla and Cleary are all getting raises. No doubt. And Kronwall will be making 3M. Also, Sammy's making 1.2M and Franzen will likely get a raise after next season as well. So there's some money to play around with. The Wings are having or have just had their annual pre-deadline meeting in Arizona and the developement and NHL readiness of some of their prospects (Axelsson, Ericsson, Andersson, Ritola etc) will be scrutinized. If these guys look at all ready, then Holland may be willing to part with Hudler, Samuelson, AND Kronwall to land Hossa. Atlanta would get a puck moving defenceman @ 3+M for the next 4 years, a cheap forward in Sammuelson for next year and a UFA in Hudler they could easily re-sign. By trading those three, Detroit would clear around 6M alone in cap space. Hossa would probably sign for around 8M. They'd also need to part with either prospects of draft picks to accquire a D-man rental like Blake to replace Kronwall. That's alot of wiggling, but it's possible. Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Homer Cleary - Filpulla - Hossa Maltby - Draper - Franzen Eliis - Kopecky - Drake Downie Lidstrom - Rafalski Blake - Lilja Chelios - Lebda Meech Hasek Osgood There are of course many other factors and this seems like an unprobable scenario, but other GMs have been creative in the past (Burke, Lamoriello) and so it's not out of the question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 we would have to give up to much to get him. so it's not worth it. He wouldn't be acquired cheap, nor would he sign cheap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Well, here's how I see it. Hudler, Filpulla and Cleary are all getting raises. No doubt. And Kronwall will be making 3M. Also, Sammy's making 1.2M and Franzen will likely get a raise after next season as well. So there's some money to play around with. The Wings are having or have just had their annual pre-deadline meeting in Arizona and the developement and NHL readiness of some of their prospects (Axelsson, Ericsson, Andersson, Ritola etc) will be scrutinized. If these guys look at all ready, then Holland may be willing to part with Hudler, Samuelson, AND Kronwall to land Hossa. Atlanta would get a puck moving defenceman @ 3+M for the next 4 years, a cheap forward in Sammuelson for next year and a UFA in Hudler they could easily re-sign. By trading those three, Detroit would clear around 6M alone in cap space. Hossa would probably sign for around 8M. They'd also need to part with either prospects of draft picks to accquire a D-man rental like Blake to replace Kronwall. That's alot of wiggling, but it's possible. Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Homer Cleary - Filpulla - Hossa Maltby - Draper - Franzen Eliis - Kopecky - Drake Downie Lidstrom - Rafalski Blake - Lilja Chelios - Lebda Meech Hasek Osgood There are of course many other factors and this seems like an unprobable scenario, but other GMs have been creative in the past (Burke, Lamoriello) and so it's not out of the question. Why did you include Blake? Won't be able to acquire both for cap reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) Everyone's best friend Eklund actually posted something about Hossa (and Dumont) today: Take it with a grain of salt, as we all know this guy talks out of his ass a lot. However, if the Wings really are targeting Hossa, he'd be one of the few guys I'd be willing to give up a lot of assets for if I'm Holland. He fits in the Wings system perfectly because he's tremendously effective in all three zones. He's only 29 years old so he would give the Wings the legitimate scoring threat from the wing they've been missing. He's an elite offensive talent with great size who could be around for a long time if he's willing to re-sign -- and from the looks of it (like Kevin Allen said) it seemed he wanted to put on a show for the Wings. This is the type of guy that is worth the assets it would take to acquire him because he's young and there's a chance he'd re-sign...similar to the Cabrera/Willis deal. This isn't a nearly sure-fire rental like Sundin or Blake. No one in the Wings system has the potential to match Hossa's scoring prowess, especially not on the wing. He's like Zetterberg with more size and better natural scoring ability. It's a move that would secure the top-six for years, with Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hossa, and Filppula. On top of that, I think Holland and Wings management want to restore some of the buzz around the Wings. This would do it. I'd more than willingly give up Hudler, high picks, and one of the glut of defenseman we have for him. The biggest obstacle is the cap and how it would effect re-signings down the road. I know I'll be rooting for Carolina to take that division until the deadline. ...and to those who say Hossa disappears in the playoffs: I can remember the same things being said about a certain guy on the team right now. I think his name began with a P and ended with an avel Datsyuk. Pavel has 31 points in 60 playoff games (.52 PPG). Hossa has 35 in 55 (.63 PPG). Trust me, the guy would have no problem putting up numbers here. Eklund is so full of crap that by him saying there's an excellent chance this happens, it means Waddel and Holland haven't even spoken. Anyway, to get Hossa we're going to have to give up a LOT. I don't see us getting him without departing with Filpulla. And if not, then say goodbye to Hudler and a couple of very good prospects like Dick Axelsson, Ericsson, Quincy or maybe even Brendan Smith. Hossa will NOT come cheap and the reason why I don't think it happens is because if Holland has to spend highly to get him, he'd want to resign him. And I don't think they can fit him under the Cap. My guess is that San Jose is the team that has the best situation to pick up a guy like Hossa, Jagr or Sundin. They have tonnes of room under the Cap, they're a Western conference team and have a bunch of good young prospects they can afford to give up. They could also use another big talented forward. Can you imagine SJ with Hossa or Sundin? Especially Sundin. Two giant centres that are very offensively gifted. That could be the final peice for that team. Edited January 16, 2008 by Hank Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Why did you include Blake? Won't be able to acquire both for cap reasons. Actually, the Wings would be able to acquire both cap-wise. The Wings have about $5.4 million in space right now which equates to around $12 million in full-season salary. By the time of the deadline, it will equate to even more. I think the figure is around $22 million in full-season salary. They can pick up anyone they want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Actually, the Wings would be able to acquire both cap-wise. The Wings have about $5.4 million in space right now which equates to around $12 million in full-season salary. By the time of the deadline, it will equate to even more. I think the figure is around $22 million in full-season salary. They can pick up anyone they want. Very true. Unfortunately, to get both we wouldn't have any prospects or good young players left on our farm or roster. Unless Holland has the same Kool-Aid that Lou L. gives out, we'd have to pay through the nose for both those players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Eklund is so full of crap that by him saying there's an excellent chance this happens, it means Waddel and Holland haven't even spoken. Anyway, to get Hossa we're going to have to give up a LOT. I don't see us getting him without departing with Filpulla. And if not, then say goodbye to Hudler and a couple of very good prospects like Dick Axelsson, Ericsson, Quincy or maybe even Brendan Smith. Hossa will NOT come cheap and the reason why I don't think it happens is because if Holland has to spend highly to get him, he'd want to resign him. And I don't think they can fit him under the Cap. My guess is that San Jose is the team that has the best situation to pick up a guy like Hossa, Jagr or Sundin. They have tonnes of room under the Cap, they're a Western conference team and have a bunch of good young prospects they can afford to give up. They could also use another big talented forward. Can you imagine SJ with Hossa or Sundin? Especially Sundin. Two giant centres that are very offensively gifted. That could be the final peice for that team. Even worse scenario Hossa on Thornton's wing, if he can turn Cheechoo into a star what do you think he could do with an already all star. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 (edited) Eklund is so full of crap that by him saying there's an excellent chance this happens, it means Waddel and Holland haven't even spoken. Anyway, to get Hossa we're going to have to give up a LOT. I don't see us getting him without departing with Filpulla. And if not, then say goodbye to Hudler and a couple of very good prospects like Dick Axelsson, Ericsson, Quincy or maybe even Brendan Smith. Hossa will NOT come cheap and the reason why I don't think it happens is because if Holland has to spend highly to get him, he'd want to resign him. And I don't think they can fit him under the Cap. You have to give up a lot to get a lot. I'd be very very surprised if Hudler or Filppula became ever become as good as Hossa. I'd be much more reluctant to deal Filppula, but I really wouldn't have a problem dealing Hudler, high picks, and a couple prospects, if Hossa signs an extension, of course. The Wings can fit him under the cap right now, it's down the road that becomes tricky. I'm sure they would find a way. They were prepared to offer Luongo an $8.2 million offer sheet in the summer of '06 (according to Kahn). That's salary plus the compensation picks. I think they would be prepared to deal with a salary crunch. Here's a quote directly from Holland: Zetterberg is an unrestricted free-agent in '09. Look at our team -- three-quarters are probably unrestricted either in the summer of '08 or the summer of '09. We like a lot of our players, and we better be in a position to be able to commit to them. Now, would we like to be able to add one more real top player in either the summer of '08 or '09? I think over the next 12 months, if we can get a lot of these guys signed long-term and know where we're at, now maybe we can go get one more star player. That was in October or November, I think. Since then, they've signed Lidstrom, Osgood, and Draper to extensions. Cleary, Drake, Downey, Filppula, Chelios, and Hasek are impending UFA's. They're working with Cleary, Filppula is an RFA, Chelios isn't going anywhere, Hasek will retire after this season, and Downey and Drake are small pieces of the puzzle. Can't extend Zetterberg until July 1st. Edited January 16, 2008 by ARice89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
96warrior 11 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=227428 1/16/2008 Marian Hossa is going to market. That is the message the Atlanta Thrasher forward has delivered in no uncertain terms to general manager Don Waddell. Sources say that Hossa, his agent Ritch Winter and Waddell met earlier this week in Atlanta over dinner and then went to an Atlanta Hawks' basketball game and that over the course of the evening Hossa told Waddell that he's not prepared to sign a long-term extension with the Thrashers at this point and will go to unrestricted free agency on July 1. Sources say Hossa is telling friends that he expects to be traded before the NHL trade deadline on Feb. 26. If the Thrashers trade Hossa, he could conceivably be the highest-impact rental player made available. Hossa scored a hat trick to lead the Thrashers to victory over the Detroit Red Wings last night. But the Thrashers are in a tough spot. They currently hold down first place in the Southeast Division and would dearly love to secure a playoff spot, an effort that would be greatly aided by Hossa's offensive production in their lineup. But the Thrashers also know that to allow Hossa to stroll into unrestricted free agency without getting something in return is counter-productive to the long-term interests of the franchise. Sources say Waddell is not ready to make an absolute commitment to trading Hossa at this point, but there's no question the talented Slovak winger is going to be in play between now and the deadline. What will likely dictate whether Hossa is traded is the return on the trade. If Waddell can get a significant package in return, Hossa is likely to be dealt to a contending team. The latest negotiations between Waddell and Hossa's new agent, Winter, never even got to the stages of discussing dollars or term. Hossa's primary concern is the status of the Thrashers as a legitimate Cup contender. Quite simply, he's not prepared to commit there long term and wants to see where the club is come July 1. The Thrashers had previously offered Hossa a five-year, $35 million contract when Hossa was represented by another agent. The bottom line is that Hossa is almost certainly going to be an unrestricted free agent this summer and that will significantly increase the likelihood of him being traded before the deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StormJH1 231 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Picture Hossa going to Blackhawks and back with his old team mate Havlat, that could be scary Yeah, frightening for the FIVE games they're actually in the lineup together, due to injuries! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 heres an article of eklund talking only about the red wings saying hossa is e4 to detroit and dumont is another one possible http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=12626 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Very true. Unfortunately, to get both we wouldn't have any prospects or good young players left on our farm or roster. Unless Holland has the same Kool-Aid that Lou L. gives out, we'd have to pay through the nose for both those players. If you trade Hudler (and consider he'll probably get 1.5 - 2M next season) Samuelson @ 1.2M and Kronwall @ 3M, you have just cleared 6M in cap space for next year. Some more twisting and Hossa could be had and fit under the cap. Also, no prospects given up (provided Atlanta like this deal). Trade a 2nd rounder and a defensive prospect for Blake, and Detroit still have prospect depth a defence and their 08 1st rounder. Don't forget, like ARice said, if Atlanta wants something for Hossa: 1.) the only teams interested would be contenders. Or else why not wait and take a run at him in July. 2,) of the contenders, Detroit has the most cap room. Same goes for Blake and even more so, because he'd have to waive his no trade clause. So in both cases it's both Atlanta and LA WOULD NOT have Detroit over a barrel. Quite simply, if they want something for Hossa and Blake, they might have to take what they can (reasonable) get from a team like Detroit. Becasue no one else has the space to bite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 Actually, the Wings would be able to acquire both cap-wise. The Wings have about $5.4 million in space right now which equates to around $12 million in full-season salary. By the time of the deadline, it will equate to even more. I think the figure is around $22 million in full-season salary. They can pick up anyone they want. Right now? We had $5M left at the start of the season, we still do. It's a static numb- ..nvm, I got you. I really don't see Kenny picking up more than one rental player though, if that. Like others have said also, we'd be selling the farm to acquire two high level talents. I'm game for one if it means Assured Cup Win, but even then I half-expect to be outbid on the "prime" players out there anyway. February can't come fast enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legendary D In 03 50 Report post Posted January 16, 2008 What do you suppose would happen if we acquired Hossa before the All Star Game? Would he still represent ATL? Word, LDi03 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
