Hossa Sweepstakes down to four teams?

[YoungGuns1340 1]

It has already been proven that we can re-sign hossa under the cap system. Do you have specific math proving we can't or is this just speculation?

It has already been proven that under the cap we can re-sign Hossa. Next year we can re-sign Hossa and still be a good 5-6M under the cap even AFTER having re-signed everyone. Its the 09/10 season that caused some concern and BOTH Eva and myself have posted mock lineups with each players respective salaries that prove we can handle Hossa under the cap on a 5 year, 7M per year deal..

[Aussie_Wing 354]

No wonder why there is no loyalty from players, they get none from the managers. Seriously, the trade deadline is a joke. When I heard on Versus yesterday that Sundin should waive his NTC to get Toronto some assets, then when the playoffs are over head straight back to Toronto is sickening IMO.

The trade deadline is bad news.

[Viperar 16]

exactly younguns...yours and eva's math usually tends to be right on, so until someone provides solid concrete math that we cannot handle Hossa under the cap, I am going to stick with those mock lineups.

So many people post that we cant do such and such under the cap as scare tactics as if the cap is impossible to meet if you have 4-5 good players on your team.

[Viperar 16]

No wonder why there is no loyalty from players, they get none from the managers. Seriously, the trade deadline is a joke. When I heard on Versus yesterday that Sundin should waive his NTC to get Toronto some assets, then when the playoffs are over head straight back to Toronto is sickening IMO.

The trade deadline is bad news.

wait. Wouldn't this be the epitome of loyalty? Willing to leave the team you so dearly love to benefit them in the long run, and then coming back to them instead of staying with a stronger team, which is probably where Sundin will end up if he is indeed traded.

The logic seems flawed here, and the attacks on the trade deadline are laughable in my opinion, you take away the trade deadline, you take away all strategy in planning a playoff run. It adds to hockey, it does not subtract anything.

[ajhill4594 0]

Im new to this site, but Ive been stuck on this story all day and I figured I would share some updates with all of you. Eklund is reporting that Ellis has been placed on waivers, which is probably nothing, but these small roster moves often happen before trades are made. Also, Waddell has announced that they have given a team a 48 hour window to talk about contract extensions with Hossa.

[Viperar 16]

Also, Waddell has announced that they have given a team a 48 hour window to talk about contract extensions with Hossa.

I can confirm this, it was posted on the Thrashers forums that even though it could not be released which team was doing so, apparently one of the four teams in the running (SJ, Anaheim, Detroit, and Montreal) are apparently leaps ahead of the other three and might be in the 48 hour negotiation period for re-signing Hossa.

[therock48880 14]

Detroit will have absolutely no problem having Hossa on the books next season, as Hanks contract wont kick in til the season after that. 09/10 is what Im more worried about. And hopefully, they can offer Cleary a longer term contract (5 years?) at a cheaper price (2.5?), which in reality is a deal Cleary might take, as thats a lot of security for such an inconsistent player as Cleary. Now, hopefully when/if Detroit re-signs their players, they'll re-sign them all to at least 2 year deals (except Chelios), so they can calculate how much money theyll have booked for 09/10.

A look at 08/09

Cap: ~54M

Hudler(1.1) - Hank(2.65) - Hossa (7)

Cleary(2.5) - Datsyuk(6.7) - Homer (2.25)

Kopecky (.5)- Franzen (.94) - Sammy (1.2)

Maltby(.88)- Draper(1.5) - Dmac? (.5)

Downey (.55)

Lidstrom (7.4) - Ericsson (.65)

Raffi (6) - Kronner (3)

Lebda (.65) - Cheli (.8)

Quincey (.65)

Osgood (1.4)

Howard (.8)

Total: ~49.9M

09/10

Estimated cap ~56M

Hudler(2.5) - Hank(7) - Hossa (7)

Cleary(2.5) - Datsyuk(6.7) - Homer (2.25)

Abdelkader?(.6) - Kopecky (.7) - UFA (1.2)

Maltby(.88) - Draper(1.5)- Dmac?(.5)

Downey (.55)

Lidstrom (7.4) - Ericsson (.65)

Raffi (6) - Kronner (3)

Lebda (.65) - Quincey (.65)

UFA/prospect (.65)

Osgood (1.4)

Howard (.8)

Cap: 55.1 - If the Wings can talk Hudler, wholl be an RFA if hes still around, into taking a one year deal at maybe 1.8M for the 09/10 season and wait to see what they can give him after Lidstroms salary comes off the books in 10/11, then we'd be looking at a around 54.5M payroll, which would still give Detroit some space under the cap in 09/10.

It is doable.

Ever consider getting a hobby? j/k

In all seriousness, thanks for doing the math here. I honestly didn't think Hossa long-term would be possible, but I guess, in reality, it may be possible after all. Now, if Atlanta would be willing to do the deal.............................

[Viperar 16]

thanks for bringing this to the front again therock. As people hopefully will see now:

1. Hossa will NOT be a rental

2. It IS feasible to sign him under the contract and still have room to spare

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I can confirm this, it was posted on the Thrashers forums that even though it could not be released which team was doing so, apparently one of the four teams in the running (SJ, Anaheim, Detroit, and Montreal) are apparently leaps ahead of the other three and might be in the 48 hour negotiation period for re-signing Hossa.

Haha. Thats interesting. When the whole Filppula Facebook scandal was going down, I hypothesized that the reason it was posted on Filppula's facebook was because Filppula had been told Holland was in negotiations to land Hossa, with Filppula going the other way, and that the only reason the news broke on Filppula's facebook was because Detroit was in negotiations with Hossa and the deal was still in the (long) process of being worked out, as Holland and co were discussing a longterm deal with Hossa.

Of course, it looks like the page was bulls*** to begin with, but if this trade does go down, I think Ill brush that dirt of my shoulder..

[therock48880 14]

I can confirm this, it was posted on the Thrashers forums that even though it could not be released which team was doing so, apparently one of the four teams in the running (SJ, Anaheim, Detroit, and Montreal) are apparently leaps ahead of the other three and might be in the 48 hour negotiation period for re-signing Hossa.

I wish I would have never seen this! Now, I'll lay in bed tonight thinking, "hmmmm, Ellis was put on waivers and someone is in serious negotiations with Hossa". First, I'll be excited thinking it is the Wings working on a deal with him, then that will all turn to fear sometime around 1 a.m. is my prediction. Fear that either Anaheim or SJ will get him instead and that the Ellis move is a precursor to a McCarty signing, which is much more likely. So, I have two options. 1. stay up all night thinking about hockey again or 2. take some lunesta and hope for the best and be groggy tomorrow.

Don't you hate it/love it when hockey takes over your entire thought process????

[ajhill4594 0]

In reguards to the cap hit comments being posted, it is also being said that Detroit is the front runner for signing Fabian Brunnstrom too, so theres another cheap player that can be offered a two year contract after this year.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

wait. Wouldn't this be the epitome of loyalty? Willing to leave the team you so dearly love to benefit them in the long run, and then coming back to them instead of staying with a stronger team, which is probably where Sundin will end up if he is indeed traded.

The logic seems flawed here, and the attacks on the trade deadline are laughable in my opinion, you take away the trade deadline, you take away all strategy in planning a playoff run. It adds to hockey, it does not subtract anything.

So you're happy for a club to trade away young NHL players and prospects, only to have the person you traded for to walk straight back to the club you just traded away your future to? Not sure about you but that's just flat out dodgy. Just like Weight and Tkachuk in recent years.

[Viperar 16]

Thats another argument, I would be willing to part with flip with the additional security of SJ or Anaheim not getting Hossa.

[Viperar 16]

So you're happy for a club to trade away young NHL players and prospects, only to have the person you traded for to walk straight back to the club you just traded away your future to? Not sure about you but that's just flat out dodgy. Just like Weight and Tkachuk in recent years.

Once again, for the 50th time, Hossa would not be walking straight back to his team in our situation. I was referring to Sundin, which is probably what he will be doing if he is dealt to a playoff team.

I have faith in Holland that he will not be throwing away a younger guy like Flip for a quick rental player. He has stated in interviews that he is being VERY cautious about which prospects he gives away, and that in order for our young players to be traded it has to be a high end player, example lying in Hossa.

[therock48880 14]

Thats another argument, I would be willing to part with flip with the additional security of SJ or Anaheim not getting Hossa.

Exactly. For some reason SJ scares me more with Hossa than the Ducks would. Both would have to be considered the favorite to come out of the West if they had him, as would Detroit.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Ever consider getting a hobby? j/k

In all seriousness, thanks for doing the math here. I honestly didn't think Hossa long-term would be possible, but I guess, in reality, it may be possible after all. Now, if Atlanta would be willing to do the deal.............................

This is my hobby! Haha, but honestly, there are definitely more productive things I SHOULD be doing.. At any rate, obviously nothing is set in stone - there are plenty of things to consider (Brunnstrom signing, Chelios retiring are some examples) - but all in all its well within reason.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Thats another argument, I would be willing to part with flip with the additional security of SJ or Anaheim not getting Hossa.

Paranoia?

[Viperar 16]

Paranoia?

Hardly. Just basic common sense knowing that if Anaheim or SJ come out with Hossa, it would make it that much more difficult to play them. Its simple math really, you add a superstar player to an enemy team, its bad news. Not too complicated i hope.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Hardly. Just basic common sense knowing that if Anaheim or SJ come out with Hossa, it would make it that much more difficult to play them. Its simple math really, you add a superstar player to an enemy team, its bad news. Not too complicated i hope.

Who says they're the front runners to get him? And who knows how much they'd have to give up to get him.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

Hardly. Just basic common sense knowing that if Anaheim or SJ come out with Hossa, it would make it that much more difficult to play them. Its simple math really, you add a superstar player to an enemy team, its bad news. Not too complicated i hope.

Burke says he wants a center, which Hossa is not.

I REALLY want Hossa, but I think we have a lesser chance than San Jose because they have a name to throw at ATL (Marleau) even if he is a downgrade and has less potential than a Flip or Huds. But if I were Hossa, I would go to the team I think would win the Cup this year and would have the best chance to win next year as well.

[Viperar 16]

Who says they're the front runners to get him? And who knows how much they'd have to give up to get him.

That's the thing though Aussie buddy, no one knows who the front runners are, but with 4 teams in the running, and SJ and Anaheim each being one of them, montreal the other (which wouldnt bother me too much since theyre in the east, and i dont see them going TOO deep into the playoffs) that makes it a 50% chance its one of those 2 teams.

We will see but in my opinion flip is expendable. I love flip, and would never trade him for a rental, but this is a different situation. That and the security of negating Anaheim or SJ an NHL elite sniper, is fine in my book.

[Dabura 12,232]

Hossa on the Ducks, Sharks or the Wings would be beastly.

Edited February 21, 2008 by Dabura

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I REALLY want Hossa, but I think we have a lesser chance than San Jose because they have a name to throw at ATL (Marleau) even if he is a downgrade and has less potential than a Flip or Huds. But if I were Hossa, I would go to the team I think would win the Cup this year and would have the best chance to win next year as well.

I don't see Atlanta necessarily biting on Marleau. He is older and they are looking for younger more up and coming. If say SJ throws some of their young talent along the lines of setoguchi into the mix, then we have a problem. Like I said we will see, but I am simply arguing Flip in my book is worth giving up for Hossa, who again for those that cannot grasp this, will NOT be a rental and will be a wing for a couple years minimum

[Aussie_Wing 354]

That's the thing though Aussie buddy, no one knows who the front runners are, but with 4 teams in the running, and SJ and Anaheim each being one of them, montreal the other (which wouldnt bother me too much since theyre in the east, and i dont see them going TOO deep into the playoffs) that makes it a 50% chance its one of those 2 teams.

We will see but in my opinion flip is expendable. I love flip, and would never trade him for a rental, but this is a different situation. That and the security of negating Anaheim or SJ an NHL elite sniper, is fine in my book.

Look the only thing that you've said that I disagree with is Flip. He's too highly rated to be traded and we'll send Kindl, Quincey, Emmerton and co packing before him. You don't send a 23 year old who's on track to score 20 goals, even if it is for Hossa. Yes Hossa would probably stay for at least 2-3 years, but nothing is guaranteed. Too much risk associated with trading a guy that's a young 2nd line NHL'er. Trading away prospects/picks would be a better option and I'm sure if we do pull the trigger that would be our approach.

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

Look the only thing that you've said that I disagree with is Flip. He's too highly rated to be traded and we'll send Kindl, Quincey, Emmerton and co packing before him. You don't send a 23 year old who's on track to score 20 goals, even if it is for Hossa. Yes Hossa would probably stay for at least 2-3 years, but nothing is guaranteed. Too much risk associated with trading a guy that's a young 2nd line NHL'er. Trading away prospects/picks would be a better option and I'm sure if we do pull the trigger that would be our approach.

but isn't hossa only like 4 or 5 years older?