Who's Number shouhld Get retired? All NHL?

[toby91_ca 620]

NYI: LaFontaine - okay, people have said no to him...little do any of you realize that his jersey has already been retired around two years ago at this point.

I think when you use the phrase "little do any of you realize" - which would seem like you are mocking everyone's intelligence, you should be pretty sure you are making accurate comments.

I'm fairly certain that Buffalo has retired his number, but I do not believe that New York has. I will not pretend to be an expert, but pretty sure his number is not retired in New York, nor should it be.

[Opie 308]

Look at it this way

If the Wings traded for someone this year and Lids was for some reason retired, would that person be allowed #5, NO WAY IN HELL!!

What about 14, already done.

91, I would be very willing to bet that if some one wanted 91, they would get it in the D.

16, will never be worn again in Detroit! I am not sure they will put it in the rafters but no one will wear it!

30, odds are when Ozzie is gone, some one will wear it.

The only current players that I see as having a chance at being in the rafters are:

Lids (shoe in)

Drapes (not so sure, but if they hoist another cup he probably gets up there, because he has been a defensive specialist his whole career, busting his ass. His work ethic supersedes his stats!)

Dats (he would have to be a life long wing though)

Zetterberg (again would have to be a lifer, and throwing the C on his jersey may help though).

I think the best analogy I can give you to the Wings Jersey "Requirements"(none of us know what that is) is the Red Sox, they will not retire a players number unless they finish their career with the Sox, and their best years were as a Red Sock, hence why they signed Fisk at the very tail end of his career. And even then he signed as a office personnel, because he was arguably the best Catcher in Red Sox history. The Wings IMO are very similar, your prime would have to be in the Winged Wheel (Feds, Ozzie, all fit that ) and you gave up something tangible to stay a Wing, whether that be money (Lids case), ice time, being close to your family, stardom, whatever it is I think the Org wants to see that a player is willing to give up everything for the Wings, even if that means playing on a decimated Knee.

Another way to think of it, the three slam dunk numbers that are retired:

Howe, Yzerman, Sawchuk.

Edit: Got lost in my own mind:

Do Shanny, Feds, Ozzie represent the same things about being a Red Wing as these guys?

Those of you using players who left and came back to defend Feds getting his number retired must be very careful with whom you use for examples. Like others have said, the players from the 50's got hosed by management, Adams decided he wanted to blow the team up, they were winning Championships at a great clip, he thought he was more important than the players and sent them packing. So that is different than 2x going to the team and saying pay me more of I am out the door.

I am not bitter about the way Feds left, he had every right to make fair market value and take what anyone wanted to pay him. But if you are talking about the Wings retiring jersey's that is seen as a no no, they want to see that you value the team/Org more than you do your Wallet, Ice time, stardom, etc.

Edited April 7, 2008 by Opie

[Legendary D In 03 50]

I think when you use the phrase "little do any of you realize" - which would seem like you are mocking everyone's intelligence, you should be pretty sure you are making accurate comments.

I'm fairly certain that Buffalo has retired his number, but I do not believe that New York has. I will not pretend to be an expert, but pretty sure his number is not retired in New York, nor should it be.

Don't mind me, I'm an absolute idiot.

Crow eaten.

Thx.

[wingslogo19 281]

Linden will 100% have his jersey retired

[Tommie2 0]

Nick will be the only one from the Wings. Fedorov would be second, but he will probably never get it, and because of that Shanny, Ozzie, Cheli doesn't have a chance either. These guys were great (Cheli is still great), but they are pretty far behind #91.

Best Wings in the 90s:

Yzerman - no comments

Nicklas Lidstrom - probably 2-3 greatest D ever, and the best one to ever wear the Wings jersey

Sergei Fedorov - The BEST player in the playoffs, won more awards than #19, one of the best two-way players ever (Hart, Selke, Pearson, and 2nd in Art Ross in the same year are telling it all).

Brendan Shanahan - major reason why Detroit won 3 Cups, but not the biggest. Scored 40 in three seasons out of 9 with the Wings. Great power forward, maybe Hall of Fame, but not the rafters for sure.

Chris Osgood - Won one Stanley Cup as a starter. Solid goalie, but not the greatest of his era. Despite that he has a lot of wins, I doubt if had such great success in another team. Lets imagine that Ozzie would be in the Sabres, and Hasek in the Wings...

He might be in the Hall of Fame one day, but it's not sure.

Chris Chelios - One of the greatest D of his time, but he should be retired as a Hawk. But he might not get it there for the same stupid reasons as #91 in Detroit.

There are some other great players, who gave a lot to the Wings, but somewhat of under-rated:

Slava Fetisov - one the greatest D to play the game (I think that he is not so far behind Nick), but spent his best years in Soviet Union. Spent only 3,5 seasons in Mototown, but added great leadership to win two Cups.

Igor Larionov - One of the smartest (if not the smartest) players ever. Brain of the KLM line, and the Russian Five. Great leader, mentor. I think that his heart was really Winged, it's a shame that he did not retire as a Wing. And maybe Datsyuk would never be as good as he is, if not Larionov.

even if he doesn't get his 24 or does get it as a hawk doesn't matter in my book all I know is what he has done for detroit now and after he leaves is enough for me;he been a coach on the ice.

[eva unit zero 271]

Ozzie won't have his number retired. He is backup goalie, and that's what suits him the best. I like him, but he is not HOF worthy and he does not deserve to have his number retired by the Wigns.

And we all know that when he won the Cup in '98, he was average in playoffs.

Ozzie's stats in the 98 playoff run were comparable to Cam Ward and Patrick Roy in years they won the Smythe. Ozzie also finished second in Smythe voting. If that's average, then why does everyone want to spend 7m to get Luongo when we can just use average goaltending to win the Cup?

[stevie for president 42]

areer Stats

SEASON Team GP W L T OT MINS GA SO GAA A PIM

1993-94 Detroit 41 23 8 5 0 2206 105 2 2.86 0 2

1994-95 Detroit 19 14 5 0 0 1087 41 1 2.26 0 2

1995-96 Detroit 50 39 6 5 0 2932 106 5 2.17 2 4

1996-97 Detroit 47 23 13 9 0 2769 106 6 2.30 2 6

1997-98 Detroit 64 33 20 11 0 3807 140 6 2.21 0 31

1998-99 Detroit 63 34 25 4 0 3691 149 3 2.42 3 8

1999-00 Detroit 53 30 14 8 0 3148 126 6 2.40 1 18

2000-01 Detroit 52 25 19 4 0 2834 127 1 2.69 0 8

2001-02 N.Y. I 66 32 25 6 0 3743 156 4 2.50 4 10

2002-03 St. Louis 46 21 17 6 0 2525 124 4 2.95 0 12

2003-04 St. Louis 67 31 25 8 0 3861 144 3 2.24 0 10

2005-06 Detroit 32 20 6 0 4 1846 85 2 2.76 0 8

2006-07 Detroit 21 11 3 0 4 1161 46 0 2.38 1 6

2007-08 Detroit 43 27 9 0 1 2409 84 4 2.09 3 0

664 363 195 66 9 38017 1539 47 2.43 16 125

Postseason Stats

SEASON Team GP W L T OT MINS GA SO GAA A PIM

1993-94 Detroit 6 3 2 0 0 307 12 1 2.35 0 0

1994-95 Detroit 2 0 0 0 0 68 2 0 1.76 0 0

1995-96 Detroit 15 8 7 0 0 936 33 2 2.12 0 4

1996-97 Detroit 2 0 0 0 0 47 2 0 2.55 0 2

1997-98 Detroit 22 16 6 0 0 1361 48 2 2.12 1 12

1998-99 Detroit 6 4 2 0 0 358 14 1 2.35 0 0

1999-00 Detroit 9 5 4 0 0 547 18 2 1.97 1 4

2000-01 Detroit 6 2 4 0 0 365 15 1 2.47 0 0

2001-02 N.Y. Islanders 7 3 4 0 0 392 17 0 2.60 0 4

2002-03 St. Louis 7 3 4 0 0 417 17 1 2.45 0 4

2003-04 St. Louis 5 1 4 0 0 287 12 0 2.51 1 0

87 45 37 0 0 5085 190 10 2.24 3 30

id say his numbers on and off the red wings are pretty similar. i hate the argument that the wings made osgood. i realllyyy hate that argument.

[Guest Jeremy88]

Why do you people who are so sick of these topics even enter the thread? No one wants to here your bitching.

This is just like the goalie wars. It's the SAME argument every month.

[Reds4Life 51]

Ozzie's stats in the 98 playoff run were comparable to Cam Ward and Patrick Roy in years they won the Smythe. Ozzie also finished second in Smythe voting. If that's average, then why does everyone want to spend 7m to get Luongo when we can just use average goaltending to win the Cup?

He allowed many soft goals (Phoenix, Dallas). He was booed by Wings fans. Man, Ozzie is backup goalie, and really good one, but he won't have his number retired. I like him, he and Dom are great duo. But the truth is, Ozzie is not on the same level as Gordie Howe, Sid Abel, Alex D, Terry Sawchuk, Steve Yzerman, Ted Lindsay and Nicklas Lidstrom. The gap between these guys and Ozzie is pretty big.

Edited April 8, 2008 by Reds4Life

[vangvace 12]

16, will never be worn again in Detroit! I am not sure they will put it in the rafters but no one will wear it!

I know this is a tangent, but is the believe patch still in the rafters?

[toby91_ca 620]

id say his numbers on and off the red wings are pretty similar. i hate the argument that the wings made osgood. i realllyyy hate that argument.

You may hate it, but there is some truth to it. He had good stats outside of Detroit, but so did some of his goalie teammates on those teams as well.

Have a look at the stats of every other goalie that has played for Detroit over the past 20 years and try and tell me that the team doesn't inflate some of those stats a little. The more I think about it, pretty much all goalies' stats are going to be inflated or deflated depending on the team they are playing for.

[eva unit zero 271]

He allowed many soft goals (Phoenix, Dallas). He was booed by Wings fans. Man, Ozzie is backup goalie.

All goalies have allowed soft goals. The fact that Ozzie allowed a couple bad goals and still had stats that compared to Conn Smythe winners tells you what...that on most nights he was actually BETTER than those guys were in their Smythe seasons.

As far as Ozzie being a backup...

This is the fourteenth seson Osgood has played, and it is the eleventh time he has started more games than any other goaltender on his team. The times he didn't? The past couple of years when he had some injury issues and was backing up in Detroit, and the year he was traded from NYI to St. Louis. That season, he played most of his team's games on both uniforms while he was there.

Whether you like the guy or not, he's been a starter his whole career.

And toby...as far as the 'other goalie' argument you used to suggest when Ozzie performing well on other teams doesn't mean anything, I will bring up his teammates on the Red Wings.

Mike Vernon was a top goalie in the league for many years...and Osgood's numbers were so far ahead of Vernon's it's RIDICULOUS. Vernon obviously was still a good enough goaltender to win the Conn Smythe.

Let's compare their stats on their time together with the team, from 1994-95 through 1996-97:

Vernon: 95 GP, 53-24-14, 2.41 GAA, .898 Sv%, 4 SO, 23.7 SA/60

Osgood: 116 GP, 76-24-14, 2.24 GAA, .912 Sv%, 12 SO, 25.3 SA/60

So let's see...Osgood played 21 more games, had 23 more decisions, and won 23 more games. He had SIGNIFICANTLY better GAA and Sv% despite seeing 1.6 more shots per game. In the first year, Vernon was fourth in Vezina voting. In the third, he won the Smythe. And Ozzie CLEARLY outplayed Vernon by a wide margin. So either Vernon didn't deserve the Conn Smythe because it was all the team and anyone could have done it (including Osgood), or the argument that Osgood is a 'good' goaltender with inflated stats doesn't hold water.

[Reds4Life 51]

So let's see...Osgood played 21 more games, had 23 more decisions, and won 23 more games. He had SIGNIFICANTLY better GAA and Sv% despite seeing 1.6 more shots per game. In the first year, Vernon was fourth in Vezina voting. In the third, he won the Smythe. And Ozzie CLEARLY outplayed Vernon by a wide margin. So either Vernon didn't deserve the Conn Smythe because it was all the team and anyone could have done it (including Osgood), or the argument that Osgood is a 'good' goaltender with inflated stats doesn't hold water.

Why do you compare Osgood to Vernon?

This is about retired numbers, and Ozzie has no chance to have his number retired. No statistic you post here can change that fact. Only superstars have their numbers retired in Detroit, and Ozzie is not even on the same level. The gap is HUGE.

[Opie 308]

1 Netminder has his number in the rafters in Det, and he was arguably one of the best ever to play the position and not just in det.

http://www.detroithockey.net/history/retired.php

Anybody know why Illitch refuses to hang Auries jersey?

Larry Aurie's #6 was retired by former Red Wings owner James Norris following the 1938-39 season. Current owner Mike Ilitch refuses to recognize this, going as far as to have it unlisted as a retired number in the 2000-01 NHL Guide and Record Book. Despite this, the number is kept out of circulation.

Vladimir Konstantiov's #16 has been kept out of use since a career-ending automobile accident in 1997.

Wayne Gretzky never played for Detroit. His number was retired league-wide following his retirement as a player.

[Reds4Life 51]

1 Netminder has his number in the rafters in Det, and he was arguably one of the best ever to play the position and not just in det.

http://www.detroithockey.net/history/retired.php

Anybody know why Illitch refuses to hang Auries jersey?

I think it's because he is not in HoF, but I am not sure.

[Opie 308]

As I did some research people speculated that was the reason too, some even said Devallano said as much, but I can't find anything concrete to support that theory.

I just think it is weird that he would take down a number another owner retired.

[eva unit zero 271]

Why do you compare Osgood to Vernon?

This is about retired numbers, and Ozzie has no chance to have his number retired. No statistic you post here can change that fact. Only superstars have their numbers retired in Detroit, and Ozzie is not even on the same level. The gap is HUGE.

Because it illustrates my point that the argument that Ozzie's stats are inflated is invalid. toby said 'look at the other goalies on the teams he played on besides Detroit, they had pretty good numbers too.' So I am extending that to look at a guy who played with Ozzie in Detroit and was considered to have done very well during Ozzie's best statistical seasons. The gap there is HUGE in Ozzie's favor.

I haven't said Osgood's number should be retired...in fact I have said that he would need a couple more solid seasons to earn the honor. But the argument that his stats are inflated by his team is absolutely incorrect, as shown by my comparison to Vernon's numbers. Osgood's numbers are that good because Osgood is that good.

I still don't understand why some people will do whatever they can to bring down certain players, and at the same time act like other players are super-amazing. Like people who act like Patrick Roy took the league's worst team to the Cup in 86 and 93, instead of providing quality goaltending to one of the league's BEST teams which was actually the case. The fact that in those two seasons, the Canadiens only played two rounds without home ice advantage (1986 finals vs Calgary and rookie goaltender Mike Vernon, and 1993 round one vs playoff-untested Quebec) and both against teams that finished only two points ahead of them in the standings. Combine that with the fact that 86 and 93 were two of Roy's WORST regular season performances, and it's hard to argue anything about him carrying the team...more like 'he got his play up to the level of the team' is what won the Cup. Yet people downplay the accomplishments of Martin Brodeur (5 total rounds of home ice advantage in three Cup seasons with New Jersey, including a Cup win with ZERO home ice advantage) and Tom Barrasso (5 rounds of home ice in two consecutive Cup seasons) while talking up the Cup mettle of guys like Mike Richter, Dominik Hasek, Nikolai Khabibulin, Ed Belfour, and Cam Ward, who played all rounds with home ice advantage. Hell...Roy played as many series at home in his four Cup seasons as Grant Fuhr did in his four! One of those goalies is credited with carrying his poor, s***ty team to greatness and the other is considered a very good goalie who was on an unstoppable team.

[Reds4Life 51]

Then I agree with you, eva.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Joe Sakic signed an offersheet from the Rangers and Mark Messier took the money in Vancouver, so I guess you think those players shouldn't have their numbers retire by their teams?

As for using contract disputes and free agency as some way to paint Fedorov as a selfish player who didn't care about playing for Detroit, you're going to have to do better than that.

Oh, and Fedorov was more than a stats player, so I have no idea what you're talking about there.

I must say, it's going to be a fun night on Letsgowings when it's announced that #91 will be hanging next to #19. I'm looking forward to it.

Where do you get your s*** and how much do you pay per ounce? I gotta get me whatever it is you are smoking.

I firmly believe that the best place to get the full story on anything related to the Wings is right here where most of us are die hards. All one need do is look at the split between those for and against it to see why he'll never have his number retired. There's no consensus here and frankly, the farther you get from here and into the masses of folks who don't look at all aspects of his career/departures/whatever, he's loathed even more, justifiably or not.

My point is there is no consensus. There is no love like the love for Yzerman and Lidstrom. 91 will never hang from the rafters and i'll be happy to pony up some dough on that. I'm thinking $5000.00 would be a worthwhile bet.

[daniel1 32]

I would hope the Avs retire Sakic's 19; he is/was classy all the way and did a lot for that organization. It would also be nice if the Canucks retired Linden's 16; he was a great leader for them for a lot of years but didn't rack up the awards/Cups that some might say are required for a jersey retirement. If Iginla retires with the Flames (not for a while i hope) I'm sure they will retire his jersey as he just became the all time franchise leader in points and will end up retiring with just about every team record by the time he's finished. I'm equally sure the Leaf-blowers will retire Sundin's jersey just so they can have a lengthy ceremony on Hockey Night In Canada that everyone in the country is forced to watch as CBC doesn't even know Canada HAS other teams in the NHL. The leafs will all pat themselves on the back for Mat's splendid career and Harry Neale will mourn the loss of his lover and will be forever at a loss for words as he'll have no one with whom he can shove his tongue up their ass and wiggle it on a weekly basis.

Some other random thoughts as I ponder the significance of having someone's jersey retired:

The Avs will retire Steve Moore's jersey in return for Moore not including them in his lawsuit along with Bergoonzi, Crawford, the Canucks organization, the other 11 players on the ice at the time, the guys who sold beer during the game, Bergoonzi's agent, Bergoonzi's maid, Bergoonzi's dog walker and that old homeless guy outside the Canuck's arena who was heard yelling "GET MOORE" right before the game.

The Ducks will retire Scott Neiderwhiner's jersey - but only part time - it can be worn from September to January but must then be placed in the rafters for the rest of the season.

The Oilers will retire Dustin Penner's jersey - not based on his performance or credentials, but simply as another way for Lowe to remind Burke that he "stole" Penner from them forever! MUUUHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

The Flyers will reconsider and retire Lindross' 88; not to honor Lindross in any way, shape, or form but simply in the hopes that Bob "lbs are BETTER than talent" Clarke will make good on his promise of "OVER MY DEAD BODY" that was heard at the Flyers board meeting held to discuss Lindross' jersey retirement ceremony.

The Wings will retire Chelios' jersey in 2012... then Cheli will rip it down 4 months later, un-retire it and play 4 more years!

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Thinkingabout Trevor Linden, playing possibly his Last ghame for Vancouver. I just checked, he only has 895 Points, this being his 19th year in the leage. that's an average of just over 50 points a year. not spectacular. But really, he's been the Face of the Canucks franchise over the the past 20 years, Even when he wasn't with the team IMO. He never scored 40 goals, and his best year, (95-96) he had 87 points. will his Jersey Be up in the Rafters? I think so, here's some other potential players for other teams.

Let's see some replies with yes or no, next to each name, with reasons if you want.

Anaheim - Only potential players I think would be Kariya and Selanne. Kariya was the original Face of the Franchise, Played 9 years for them, and no one will ever forget what he did for them in the 03 Playoffs.

Selanne Spent 6 years with the team during his original run, and now is in year number nine. Not so much the Face of the Franchise as Kariya, But Scored 50 goals twice for them, and Did win a Stanley cup with them. whether Selanne REtired last year, this year, or even plays another year, i think you'll remember him as a duck.

Atlanta. Kovalchuck

He's played 6 years. If he were to Get traded in the Off Season (not going to happen) Has he done enough in a thrashers jersey? If he plays another 3-4 years for Atlanta, He'd Be a lock, if they have any success. but more often than not, a great Player on a Bad team, hardly ever gets the credit they deserve.

Boston. Only Potential Players I can think of are Oates and thornton. Didn't play for them long enough IMO.

Well, Thorton Played 8 seasons for the B's and got 100 points with them. I don't think he played long enough, and too many of those 8 seasons, he wasn't great for them. He played long enough , i guess, but not long enough at a high level.

Oates

Played 6 great years for them. One of the Best centers in their history. I don't think 6 years is Long enough, and in those 6 years, It was ray bourque's team first, Cam neely's team second.

Buffalo.

Hasek.

9 years.

Vezina trophy's, Hart Trophy's a Final's Appearence, All Star Teams, record after Record. It'll happen, if they think 9 years is long enough. IU think he will, but for some reason, I don't feel it as a Shoo-in

calgary.

Theo Fleury - 11 years, 1 Cup, Face of franchise, Captain, 100 points twice, 50 goals once. the Only thing preventing him from getting his number raised is his off-ice troubles. If he could publically turn his life around, and get sdome publicity for it, I think they'll honor him. But as long as he's thought of as a drug addict with a temper, I can't see Calgary retireing #14

Gary Roberts - 10 years, 1 cup, 50 goals once. Great story after commign back after breaking his neck. Was he a big enough star for his number to get retired? I have a feeling if he would have played 4-5 more years as a flame, this wouldn't even be questioned.

Joe Nieuwendyk - 9 years, 1 cup, 50 goals twice. He really was a star, but Was he a big enough star? was he a big enough star for long enough? I tihnk he's really going to be on the bubble.

If Mike vernon had his Number Retired, I can see a case being made for the Above 3.

Jarome Iginla. He'll get it.

Carolina - Brind'Amour. 8 years, Selke Trophy's FoF, Captain. Stanley Cup. assuming this year or next year would be his last year, has he done enough for them already? or did he not put in enough time?

Chicago.

Roenick - 8 years, face of Franchise, 3 50 goal seasons, 2 100 point seasons, 1 stanley cup final. only question is, did he play long enough?

Chelios. -9 years, Norris trophy, 1 cup final, captain Face of franchise, one of the best D-men of his era

Again, did he play long enough? I say he'll be rememberd as aHawk, but also played 7 years in MTL, and 9 more years in det.

Belfour - 9 years- Vezina trophy Calder Trophy, All Star Teams, Face Of Franchise, Cup Final.

did He play Long enough? He left saying Jeff hackett would never be anything but a back up. Possibly stayed around too long, tarnishing his image. lots of Off ice problems.

Colorado.

Sakic - no doubt.

Forsberg. 1 year in Que, this is his 1oth for colorado. Calder, Hart, Art Ross, All Star Teams FoF, 2 cups......If they Retired Roy, the'yll def. retire Forsberg, especially now that he came Back.

Adam Foote. This will be his 14th year with the Franchise. He'll be always remembered as a Nordique/Av. 2 cups, Was reguarded as one of the best D-men in the league, in his prime. Never Really a Superstar though. Has he done enough? He has a chance, because he's come back.

hejduk. He's on his 9th season with the Avs. won a cup, won a Richard Trophy, But greatly over shadowed by Forsberg and Sakic. If he plays another 6 years with the team, he's in IMO, reguardless of his production. But if he ended now?

Columbus - No one.....Nash is on his way though.

Dallas - Modano - No doubt.

Ciccarelli. Based on the Criteria of some of the Other players, Ciccarelli's number make him deserve some consideration. 50 goals twice, 100 points twice, face of franchise. Great Player on a bad team though, will that make people look over him?

Brian Bellows. Same boat as dino, 9 years, 50 goals, lots of 30 and 40 goal seasons, Co FoF with Dino. they Both Put up Better numbers than Neal Broten, but dind't play as long,

Derian Hatcher. 12 years, Captain, Stanley Cup, FoF along with modano. If he would have retired During the lockout, or the year before he signed with Detroit, I'd say No question. If he would have stayed as a Dominant D-0Man after dallas, I'd say no question. Maybe he's stuck around too long and diminished his reputation?

detroit

I don't need to make the arguments for anyone here.

Lidstrom

Fedorov

Shanny

Osgood - (refer tO HOF threads for Ozzie's Argument)

Konstantinov

Edmonton - Kevin Lowe - Was their number 2 D-man, 5 Stanley Cups, FoF, came back and finished in Edmonton, Is now their GM.....Perhaps the only reason They haven't retired his number is because As GM, he hasn't Pushed for himself? I don't know who's call it is to actually make that decision.

Bill Ranford - 10 years. FoF during the 90's, Stanley Cup, conn Smythe.Possibly not long enough on a good team? came Back to finish career in Edm.

Florida - Vanbiesbrouck - FoF, Cup Finals, First Star of the Team. Perhaps Racist Remarks kept him out of the spotlight. Only played 5 years.

Jokinen - 7 years, FoF, captain, 90 points. with all the trade talks surrounding him every year, I doubt he'll stay long enough to get it...but if he sticks with this team, He's got a shot.

LA Kings - rob blake. No question, Now that he's Returned to LA, and didn't want to get Traded last year.

Jari Kurri - Only played 5 years, Cup Final. don't think he made enough of an impact while IN LA.

Minnesota Wild - Gaborik. 7 years, career high of 42 goals this year. Has he done enough yet? I don't think so. Maybe after another year or two.

Montreal - Patrick Roy. Cups, Vezina's Conn Smythe's etc. Left in a bad way, and Has Bad Publicity now.

Nashville - Vokoun. I don't think so, if you wanna make an argument, go ahead.

New Jersey -Scott Niedermayer - Wiki says the Plan was to retire his number earlier this year, but he came back.

Brodeur, no doubt.

John Maclean - 14 Years FoF 1 Cup. I woulnd't know about MaclEan, But I think If daneyko got his Number retired, Maclean deserves it too....he Jsut dind't Play as long As Daneyko.

New York Islanders - I don't think anybody was good enough for Long enough with the Isles. Only Argument could be made for Lafontaine -8 years, 50 goals, 100 points. Actually played longer for the isles than he did for the Sabres, who retired his number.

Rangers - With Graves, Messier, Leetch and Richter getting retired, that covers the Cup team.

Gretzky. No he didn't do much for them, and technically no ranger can wear his number. But I still think his number should be in the Rafters ala Ray bourque with the Avs and Howe With the Whalers.

Ottawa - Alfredsson - 12th year now, he's a lock.

Alexandre Daigle -.......just Kidding.

Philadelphia - Lindros 8 years. Hart, Cup final, all Star team FoF, Captain.

Left in a bad way, was expected to win a cup, didn't, As good as he was, still didn't live up to what he was supposed to be. If he were an 8th round pick, and was traded by bobby clarke's Decision, I tihnk He'd have a better chance.

John LeClair - 10 years, 50 goals twice., cup final, all star teams. FoF.

I'm indifferent either way. Was good when Lindros was good. Wasn't when Lindros Wasn't. Was More popular than Lindros, and flyers fans still love him.

Eric Dsjardins - Captain, FoF - 11 years, Retired a FLyer, Cup Final.

He's an outside shot. if he'd have played 3-4 mpore years with Philly, No Question. Did He do enough?

Phoenix. Keith Tkachuck FoF - 10 years with Franchise, Captain , 50 goals twice.

only played 5 years in Phoenix, By the time he's done and is eligible for his number to be retired, I tihnk Phoenix will have enough of an identity to not really look at the winnipeg days, and That could Hurt Tkachuck.

Teppo nummenen -15 years with Franchise, 7 with Phoenix.

Depends if they consider his Jet Days. If so, yes, if not, no. Might Get some consideration, if he comes Back From Heart Surgery.

Pittsburgh - Jagr. 2 Cups 11 seasons, art ross, hart, all star teams. Did every thing a player could do other than lead them to a cup on his own. Was Really the face of the League when Mario was Gone. he should get it, can't remember if he asked to get traded, or Pitts jsut realized they wern't going to resign him. He'll get it anyways.

Tom Barrasso - 2 cups 12 years, all star team. If they were going to do it, they probably would have by now. I'd put him in Vernon and Richter's class. An Argument can be made either way.

Ron Francis - 8 years, Captain, 2 cups, 100 points twice, Byng (I think), Selke. Over Shadowed by Lemieux and Jagr. Never FoF, Maybe if her would have played 2-3 more years With the Pens

San Jose - Patrick Marleau. 10 years. FoF Over shadowed by thornton, center of trade rumors. If he plays 5-6 more years for them, then yes. If not, If he gets traded this off season, No.

St. Louis. Gretzky - for the same Reasons asNew york.

Chris Pronger - Norris, hart, All star teams, team Captain, FoF. played 9 seasons with the bluies. Maybe it would have taken more, but Maybe he did enough.

Tampa Bay. - Lecavalier - When all is siad and done, he'll get it.

Toronto - They Don't retire numbers but To Be honoured - IMO gilmour and Wendel clark Should Be Locks.

Sundin will get it.

Vancouver - Linden. After seeing guys like Ken Daneyko and Mike Vernon with their numbers Retired, I tihnk Linden will get it. the Face of the Franchise Factor should be enough for him to get it.

Bure - Only 7 years. Best Goal Scoring RW of the 90's twice 60goals, All Star teams, Calder Trophy, Stanley Cup Final. Maybe he didn't play long enough, Injuries really limited his total numbers.

Washington - Bondra 14 years, FoF, 50 goals twice, Cup Finals. He was up there as one of the top scoring wingers for a few years in the late 90's early 2000s. Great PLayer on a bad team syndrome maybe.

Olaf Kolzig - He'll get it - 15 years, Vezina, FoF Cup finals.

Heres a recap

Anaheim

Kariya

Selanne

Atlanta

Kovalchuck

Boston

Thornton

Oates

Buffalo

Hasek

Calgary

Fleury

Nieuwendyk

Roberts

Iginla

Carolina

Brind'Amour

Chicago

Roenick

Chelios

Belfour

Colorado

Sakic

forsberg

Foote

Hejduk

Dallas

Modano

Bellows

Ciccarelli

Lehtinen

Morrow

Detroit

Lidstrom

Osgood

Shanny

Fedorov

Konstantinov

Edmonton

Lowe

Ranford

Ryan Smyth

Florida

Vanbiesbrouck

Jokinen

LA

Blake

Kurri

Minnesota

Gaborik

Montreal

Roy

Nashville

Vokoun

New Jersey

Brodeur

MacLean

NYI

Lafontaine

NYR

gretzky

OTTAWA

Alfredsson

Wade Redden

Philadelphia

Lindros

Desjardins

LeClair

Hextall

Pelle Lindbergh (it's taken out of circulation)

Phoenix

Teppo Nummenin

Keith Tkachuck

San Jose

Marleau

Pat Falloon

St. Louis

Pronger

Tampa Bay

Lecavalier

toronto

Gilmour

Clark

Sundin

Vancouver

Linden

Bure

Washington

Bondra

Kolzig

Well, it has been 5 minutes since there was a thread related to jersey retirements/fedorov's jersey retirement/bringing Fedorov back so I guess this was to be expected. yawn.

Anyway, Pat Falloon? You're a little late for April Fool's day. Not that this is the end all, say all but Alex Ovechkin has 310 career points to Pat Falloon's amazing career of 322. LOL!

Falloon's only claim to fame is that he was the Sharks 1st ever pick. Too bad he only lasted there like 4 years. And his illustrious career saw him play for 5 teams in what, 9 years? Under those criteria Maxim Kunzetsov's jersey should be retired in Detroit.

Food for thought: Currently, there are less than 100 retired numbers in the entire history of the game of hockey. Anyone who expects that in the next 10 years we will see a 25% or more increase over that number is more in tune with their feelings than with their brains.

There aren't that many players we'll see hanging from the rafters anytime soon. Those I think we will see include but are not limited to:

Rod BrindAmour

Joe Sakic

Mike Modano

Nick Lidstrom

Martin Brodeur

Daniel Alfredsson-iffy

Mats Sundin

Trevor Linden

I'm willing to bet that my rather small list will be closer to the actual number we'll see over the next decade.

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There aren't that many players we'll see hanging from the rafters anytime soon. Those I think we will see include but are not limited to:

Rod BrindAmour

Joe Sakic

Mike Modano

Nick Lidstrom

Martin Brodeur

Daniel Alfredsson-iffy

Mats Sundin

Trevor Linden

I'm willing to bet that my rather small list will be closer to the actual number we'll see over the next decade.

I agree with most of your list except for Alfredsson and Brind'amour. Allfy hasn't done anything yet really, he's a good player but I think he either needs to win a few individual awards or lead them to some playoff success. Rod the bod has had a nice career, but it's been with a few different teams (St. Louis, Philly, Carolina) so I'm not so sure who would retire it? He has played 8 (and counting?) season with Carolina though and they did win a Cup during his Captaincy so I guess they would be the most likely to retire his jersey.

The Stars should retire Modano's jersey after his loyalty and dedication to that franchise but any team that "strips" their leader of the C the way the Stars did has to be labeled as unpredictable when it comes to recognizing the accomplishments of their own players.

Brodeur - no question about it; I completely forgot about him in my earlier post. Even if he leaves Jersey at the end of his career, he's backstopped them to 3 Cups and been an ultimate team guy. Heck Canada should even consider retiring his jersey from International play with all that he's done for us over the years, as opposed to "other" goalies who were too busy/tired/non-patriotic to play for Canada. (Put that in your pipe and smoke it Patty "I train my goalie-son with UFC tapes" Roy)

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as opposed to "other" goalies who were too busy/tired/non-patriotic to play for Canada. (Put that in your pipe and smoke it Patty "I train my goalie-son with UFC tapes" Roy)

Roy is worthy of having his number retired, therefore I beg that it NEVER happens, just to piss him off.

He's a Penis Whistle! (There......I used it in a sentence......Penis Whistle.)

Le aloha

[eva unit zero 271]

Rod BrindAmour

Joe Sakic

Mike Modano

Nick Lidstrom

Martin Brodeur

Daniel Alfredsson-iffy

Mats Sundin

Trevor Linden

I'm willing to bet that my rather small list will be closer to the actual number we'll see over the next decade.

I look at it this way, GST.

The 'typical' criteria for a player to have their jersey retired go like this.

The player was among the team's best players in his time with the club.

The player was a key to some of the team's top seasons in recent memory and/or a Cup championship.

The player played a large part of his career, including the majority of his prime, in that uniform.

The player is considered among the best players that team has had at that position in its history.

The player is on good terms with the organization.

Players who have yet to complete their prime will obviously not be included on this list, as they CANNOT satisfy all requirements. The only exception to this is a player who played several years of his prime in one uniform and is no longer in that uniform. Any teams not listed do not have anyone who meets all requirements.

These are the players I consider to meet all of those benchmarks that do not currently have their jersey retired:

Anaheim: Teemu Selanne

Buffalo: Dominik Hasek

Calgary: Al MacInnis, Joe Nieuwendyk

Colorado: Joe Sakic, Adam Foote, Peter Forsberg

Dallas: Mike Modano, Sergei Zubov

Detroit: Nicklas Lidstrom, Chris Osgood

Edmonton: Kevin Lowe

Los Angeles: Rob Blake

New Jersey: Martin Brodeur

Ottawa: Daniel Alfredsson

St. Louis: Chris Pronger

Toronto: Mats Sundin

Vancouver: Trevor Linden, Kirk McLean

I wasn't sure on Hasek as I am unclear on the kind of terms he is on with the Sabres organization. But I put him anyway.

This list represents 19 players who COULD have their numbers retired. The actual number is likely to be smaller. I would expect probably about half of these guys to actually receive the honor. I have bolded the guys who, at this point, I expect to receive the honor. The others are my list of guys who are 'on the bubble' and MIGHT get it. Beyond that there are a number of guys who could argue for the honor in the future who are currently in their primes, including Crosby, Iginla, Lecavalier, Kovalchuk, Jokinen, Dipietro, and some others.

Edited April 8, 2008 by eva unit zero