Fedorov is self-centred; more conclusive proof

[eva unit zero 271]

Unless Federov comes back here for 1 million dollars, Holland won't sign him.

Way throw money at a guy who is going to be playing for a very limited time and is a shadow of his former self when you can make a pitch for a younger guy long term.

I liked him when he played here, and I have nothing against the guy personally at all - but compared to some other UFA's, Federov won't help this team much.

The Wings cannot afford to pick up a young player who is better than Fedorov for a long term deal because of Zetterberg's contract status. If Fedorov is willing to take a 1 or 2 year deal worth less than 2m per year, it would be a good investment for the Wings as far as quality of play and length of deal.

However, the Wings have Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Cleary, Hudler, Holmstrom, Franzen, Draper, Maltby, Kopecky, and Samuelsson either under contract for next year, or RFAs expected to return. That leaves two spots on the roster for the team to possibly acquire Bruunstrom and/or Fedorov, and/or to retain one or more of Downey, Drake, McCarty, and Hartigan. The Wings would get one more open spot to possibly use for a forward if one of Meech, Lebda, Quincey, Lilja, or Stuart does not come back next year.

The ideal solution from a contract and roster standpoint would see the Wings let go of as Samuelsson. That allows the Wings to add three forwards to the existing group of ten. I would prefer Fedorov, Bruunstrom, and one of Downey/McCarty. If the Wings chose not to bring back Lilja/Lebda, that allows them some roster flexibility and the time to play the better young guys like Meech and Quincey, as well as the ability to retain both Downey and McCarty.

The ideal lineup would be, based on these changes:

Hudler/Zetterberg/Holmstrom

Filppula/Datsyuk/Franzen

Bruunstrom/Fedorov/Cleary

Maltby/Draper/Kopecky

Downey

McCarty

Lidstrom/Rafalski

Kronwall/Stuart

Meech/Chelios

Quincey

Osgood

Howard

[Yzerfan1999 81]

The Wings cannot afford to pick up a young player who is better than Fedorov for a long term deal because of Zetterberg's contract status. If Fedorov is willing to take a 1 or 2 year deal worth less than 2m per year, it would be a good investment for the Wings as far as quality of play and length of deal.

However, the Wings have Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Cleary, Hudler, Holmstrom, Franzen, Draper, Maltby, Kopecky, and Samuelsson either under contract for next year, or RFAs expected to return. That leaves two spots on the roster for the team to possibly acquire Bruunstrom and/or Fedorov, and/or to retain one or more of Downey, Drake, McCarty, and Hartigan. The Wings would get one more open spot to possibly use for a forward if one of Meech, Lebda, Quincey, Lilja, or Stuart does not come back next year.

The ideal solution from a contract and roster standpoint would see the Wings let go of as Samuelsson. That allows the Wings to add three forwards to the existing group of ten. I would prefer Fedorov, Bruunstrom, and one of Downey/McCarty. If the Wings chose not to bring back Lilja/Lebda, that allows them some roster flexibility and the time to play the better young guys like Meech and Quincey, as well as the ability to retain both Downey and McCarty.

The ideal lineup would be, based on these changes:

Hudler/Zetterberg/Holmstrom

Filppula/Datsyuk/Franzen

Bruunstrom/Fedorov/Cleary

Maltby/Draper/Kopecky

Downey

McCarty

Lidstrom/Rafalski

Kronwall/Stuart

Meech/Chelios

Quincey

Osgood

Howard

I thought you worked all those money issues out when you were rallying to get Hossa and sign here long term. Or was that someone else? Isn't the cap going up next year anyways?

Still, I get that some people have a love affair with Federov because he played here and he is a sentimental pick. But if you guys want to get the dream team back together, why wouldn't you guys make a thread for Shanahan? He's still the better player at this point and he is only a year older.

There is a good handful of young players out there after this season who will sign longer term deals that will still leave room for Zetterberg.

Federov coming back here does not make that much sense to me, if you are going to get a guy who scores 40 pts a year, at least get him young.

edit: sp

Edited April 10, 2008 by Yzerfan1999

[eva unit zero 271]

I thought you worked all those money issues out when you were rallying to get Hossa and sign here long term. Or was that someone else? Isn't the cap going up next year anyways?

Still, I get that some people have a love affair with Federov because he played here and he is a sentimental pick. But if you guys want to get the dream team back together, why wouldn't you guys make a thread for Shanahan? He's still the better player at this point and he is only a year older.

There is a good handful of young players out there after this season who will sign longer term deals that will still leave room for Zetterberg.

Federov coming back here does not make that much sense to me, if you are going to get a guy who scores 40 pts a year, at least get him young.

edit: sp

The numbers I worked out for Hossa did not include Brad Stuart. Stuart, if he returns, will see close to 4m. That uses up most of what I had alloted for Hossa.

[vangvace 12]

Its a shame then that even after a decade off the team... the Detroit Media still has NICE things to write about with him... talk about someone leaving a mark on a city

It is a shame that the local newspaper sports section can't find anything local sports wise to write about. Wings playoffs, Pistons end of season, tiger's beginning. Nope we have a story about a washington player.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Gordo, overkill is posting the same things in every thread that's about something you don't like over and over again. Anyone who reads anything on this board more than once a month knows how you feel about it. I just don't know that pumping a bunch of responses in a thread you hate is the best way to make them go away. The guy was one of the greatest players to ever where a Detroit uniform, let alone a Wings one, so don't be surprised to still be hearing things about him long after his retirement. And really I like reading new threads, and who cares how many there are on a specific topic anyway? I've seen people complaining, strangely enough none of them have been mod's. You are LGW royalty and all gord, but I wouldn't get your hopes up on Matt redesigning the board around your reading preference. What's dumber than posting a new article about a Red Wing great, is argueing over a playoff roster spot and who gets it when one of the guys never plays beyond the 10 min mark in the 2nd period in a meaningless game, yet you'd think the guy is going to make or break the post season. (BTW wouldn't mind seeing Downey get in a few, and no he's not a loose cannon, but I'm not ready to take up that spot on the bench when there are superior all around players to take that spot on a nightly basis) GO WINGS!

Consider it my backwards way of trying to plug up the dam. Why can't there be an around the NHL thread and a strictly Wings thread? This is LGW isn't it. It's not NHL.com.

I care for one. It's just tiresome. You know me, i'm not a kill fedorov and burn his jersey, boo him at games person. I just want to move on. If others don't that is totally fine with me. I just get tired of the endless threads about him. And we can make altering the site just about me and my dislike of Fedorov threads but that's the easy thing to do. Really, when taking a step back, its not a half bad idea and everyone wins. I haven't seen one person give me a reason why having a wings thread and an around the league thread is a bad idea or would be bad for LGW. It's something to think about IMO.

QFT!

Amen on that. But hey, the OP is 15 years old so.............

In the grand scheme of things probably nothing will ever change. If the site stays this way people will continue to post their Fedorov threads and i'll continue to read them. Some i'll find interesting. Others i'll find worthless. And i'll probably never bite my tongue about how much the bazillion Feds threads irk me off. Such is life and the status quo I suppose.

PS: Was this thread about Fedorov saying something nice to the Caps owner Earth shattering information? Those that love him should not be shocked by this behavior. Frankly, my issues with Feds now are related to $, ability, Wings needs and his age and have nothing to do with the arguments over whether he's selfish or arrogant or whatever. Which by the way, the OP's reason for posting this was probably less to show this grandiose and magnificent thing fedorov did and more about taking an underhanded swipe at those who have been his detractors. This is evident by the title of the thread and his tone. He was just asking for trouble. He could have just posted a thread saying Fedorov enjoying time with Caps or is a good guy. But he didn't. He specifically went for the sarcastic route, looking to antagonize somebody.

Me, I don't care about the actual substance of his thread as I don't find what Fedorov did to be worthy of knighthood or whatever. I just take issue with there being another Fedorov thread essentially about nothing.

Edited April 10, 2008 by GordieSid&Ted

[Icteria virens 11]

but I am happy that he seems to have found his comfort zone in Washington.

He is an UFA this summer so ...... one can always dream?

don't get me wrong, I like Feds but doesn't it seem like alot of players (not just Feds) turn it on when they're about to become UFA's?

just my thought, again, not an inditement on Feds alone.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

It is a shame that the local newspaper sports section can't find anything local sports wise to write about. Wings playoffs, Pistons end of season, tiger's beginning. Nope we have a story about a washington player.

That is pretty bad.

[ShanahanMan 473]

From the Freep

Lets hope we meet the Caps in the finals so we can boo him again, eh?

Number 1. I know that if we landed him in Feb. you would not have posted this topic. Its funny how quickly love to turns to hate. If Zetterberg or Datsyuk left the team, would you start threads saying how bad they are and that we should boo them? Do you boo Shanny?

2. I see no proof in that article that he's self centered......so boo to you.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Number 1. I know that if we landed him in Feb. you would not have posted this topic. Its funny how quickly love to turns to hate. If Zetterberg or Datsyuk left the team, would you start threads saying how bad they are and that we should boo them? Do you boo Shanny?

2. I see no proof in that article that he's self centered......so boo to you.

Umm....the OP was being sarcastic. He likes Fedorov. He was really posting this just to put it in the face of his detractors. Fun but dirty little word play. I see threw it though. Regardless, still don't think this was worthy of yet another Fedorov thread.

On another note, the more I think about having the site changed to a Wings thread and an around the NHL thread. We could probably just leave everything the way it is and create a separate section of the site just for Fedorov. God knows the sum'***** gets more threads started about him than anyone else.

[ShanahanMan 473]

Umm....the OP was being sarcastic. He likes Fedorov. He was really posting this just to put it in the face of his detractors. Fun but dirty little word play. I see threw it though. Regardless, still don't think this was worthy of yet another Fedorov thread.

On another note, the more I think about having the site changed to a Wings thread and an around the NHL thread. We could probably just leave everything the way it is and create a separate section of the site just for Fedorov. God knows the sum'***** gets more threads started about him than anyone else.

you're right.....my baaaaad. I completely withdrawl my comment. Damn hard to read sarcastic threads *shakes fist*

[Reds4Life 51]

I think everyone is capable of ignoring threads with "Fedorov" in the title.

Why you make so much noise out of nothing is beyond me.

[Opie 308]

I think everyone is capable of ignoring threads with "Fedorov" in the title.

Why you make so much noise out of nothing is beyond me.

Here is a question, it is as easy to search the forum for a thread about Feds (or anything else you want) as it is to ignore a thread. Well I guess technically typing the 7 letters of his name may be a little easier than reading a title and deciding if the topic is sarcastic or not, if the thread is actually about the topic (especially around here).

And you know what on the technical side of things it probably takes a hell of a lot less space on a DB if said person were to add 50 posts in an old thread than what it takes DB side and Resource side to create a new thread.

But I mean it is not like 75% of the people who use this board care or they would donate to help out, they just expect it to be up when they want, it to work fast, the pop ups to go away, the colors to be softer on their eyes.

But you are right, it is nothing just a message board, it is not like there are people who are actually working (in their spare time mind you) on it to keep it running and to keep it up daily.

You obviously haven't hosted a web site before, let alone a discussion board.

Edit: when I re-read that it sounded like I help out here, I don't, well besides a very small donation, I have run other websites and discussion boards.

Edited April 10, 2008 by Opie

[Sergeiwasmyfav 0]

Here is a question, it is as easy to search the forum for a thread about Feds (or anything else you want) as it is to ignore a thread. Well I guess technically typing the 7 letters of his name may be a little easier than reading a title and deciding if the topic is sarcastic or not, if the thread is actually about the topic (especially around here).

And you know what on the technical side of things it probably takes a hell of a lot less space on a DB if said person were to add 50 posts in an old thread than what it takes DB side and Resource side to create a new thread.

But I mean it is not like 75% of the people who use this board care or they would donate to help out, they just expect it to be up when they want, it to work fast, the pop ups to go away, the colors to be softer on their eyes.

But you are right, it is nothing just a message board, it is not like there are people who are actually working (in their spare time mind you) on it to keep it running and to keep it up daily.

You obviously haven't hosted a web site before, let alone a discussion board.

Edit: when I re-read that it sounded like I help out here, I don't, well besides a very small donation, I have run other websites and discussion boards.

Just because someone does not donate money to something doesn't mean they don't care about it. I think many of the members here are relatively young, in their teens to late twenties (not everyone, but a lot). Generally, people in that age range don't have a ton of spare money lying around. I realize donations are not a lot, but to some people, what seems like a little to you or me is a lot. So I don't think we should judge how much someone cares about the site based on how much money they give. That is not fair.

[Reds4Life 51]

This is not technical problem.

If it was, we would not have threads from December 2005 here.

It is pretty obvious that starting a topic generates more traffic and requires more space in db than a post in a topic.

But if you want to go to this, why just about Fedorov?

Why don't we have ONE GDT topic?

One topic for Injuries..

One for trades

One for..

What do you say?

You should really calm down. This is NOT technical problem.

Edited April 10, 2008 by Reds4Life

[Opie 308]

Fine then show you care, by not overloading the boards with Feds threads, there are 3 threads about a player on another team on the first 4 pages and of them the one with the oldest new post on it is less than 2 days old.

BTW I had the same stance when it was 47 Sammy threads on the first 3 pages, or when it was 52 Neidermayer threads on the first 2 pages, or the numerous Teemu threads, or the numerous so and so fought last night thread.

OH but wait there is a very interesting topic, all of those fight threads are now gone, or so it would seem, the guys who want to talk about fights every day started their very own, fight thread, and if it weren't for the post season all 29 pages of that thread would probably still be on the front page. But hey I mean why start a thread about a topic you would talk about all season or all month if you can start 45 of them right?

*My numbers on thread count are exaggerated!

Edited April 10, 2008 by Opie

[Sergeiwasmyfav 0]

Fine then show you care, by not overloading the boards with Feds threads, there are 3 threads about a player on another team on the first 4 pages and of them the one with the oldest new post on it is less than 2 days old.

BTW I had the same stance when it was 47 Sammy threads on the first 3 pages, or when it was 52 Neidermayer threads on the first 2 pages, or the numerous Teemu threads, or the numerous so and so fought last night thread.

OH but wait there is a very interesting topic, all of those fight threads are now gone, or so it would seem, the guys who want to talk about fights every day started their very own, fight thread, and if it weren't for the post season all 29 pages of that thread would probably still be on the front page. But hey I mean why start a thread about a topic you would talk about all season or all month if you can start 45 of them right?

*My numbers on thread count are exaggerated!

I'm not disagreeing with you about the fact that people could keep all of the posts in one thread, like the fight thread you mentioned. That is fine. But, since people don't do that, and the site is not set up the way GS&T suggested, this is the way it is for now. So my only point way back on like page two of this thread was that people do not have to read or post in a thread they are not interested in; they can just ignore it. And I guess I am somewhat guilty because, while I have never started a thread about Feds, I usually post in most of them. If there was a separate one just for him, that would help. I also just want to say that I think the immense amount of Sammy threads we had a couple of months ago here was way worse (and more annoying) than the Feds epidemic that is currently going on.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I think everyone is capable of ignoring threads with "Fedorov" in the title.

Why you make so much noise out of nothing is beyond me.

Why people continue to post the most inane things Fedorov does is beyond me. Wow, he had something nice to say to his new owner. Well, s***! We might as well have 91 retired league wide now along with 99.

And you are right, all this noise i'm making is about nothing. These Fedorov threads are mostly about "nothing". Thanks for seeing that.

[Reds4Life 51]

Fine then show you care, by not overloading the boards with Feds threads, there are 3 threads about a player on another team on the first 4 pages and of them the one with the oldest new post on it is less than 2 days old.

BTW I had the same stance when it was 47 Sammy threads on the first 3 pages, or when it was 52 Neidermayer threads on the first 2 pages, or the numerous Teemu threads, or the numerous so and so fought last night thread.

OH but wait there is a very interesting topic, all of those fight threads are now gone, or so it would seem, the guys who want to talk about fights every day started their very own, fight thread, and if it weren't for the post season all 29 pages of that thread would probably still be on the front page. But hey I mean why start a thread about a topic you would talk about all season or all month if you can start 45 of them right?

*My numbers on thread count are exaggerated!

I do not overload the boards with Fedorov threads.

Just think..topics about players are technical problem? Then YOU obviously have no idea what are you talking about.

If it was a problem, then admin can delete old topics, why do we have 248 pages of threads? Why do we have GDT from January 8, 2006, tell me?

Posting this thread had certain information value, why are you complaining about that. We do not have THAT many threads about Fedorov as you are trying to show.

edit:

Why people continue to post the most inane things Fedorov does is beyond me. Wow, he had something nice to say to his new owner. Well, s***! We might as well have 91 retired league wide now along with 99.

And you are right, all this noise i'm making is about nothing. These Fedorov threads are mostly about "nothing". Thanks for seeing that.

Why do people keep complaing about this particular thing if you can simply ignore it. You would not waste your energy and time. A double win.

Edited April 10, 2008 by Reds4Life

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

My opinion of Feds is that we got rid of him for a reason. Yes, he is an amazing player, yes he can pull off things in a pinch. The problem is that he's flaky. I don't see him as someone you can trust to pull off what you expect. His greatness comes and goes too often to be a reliable player.

Back when he left the wings, I thought he was just unhappy here, and therefore wasn't giving it his all every night. However now I see it more as he's either not able to keep it up, or he's got something else going on in his head that he has to come to terms with. In either case, I don't see a great comeback of any sort in his future.

I wouldn't like to see him on the Wings again, and don't see him coming back either. At best I see him as secondary scoring in anyones roster, because I would want a consistent play maker to rely upon when it's needed.

He was amazing for years here in Detroit, but those years are over.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

This is not technical problem.

If it was, we would not have threads from December 2005 here.

It is pretty obvious that starting a topic generates more traffic and requires more space in db than a post in a topic.

But if you want to go to this, why just about Fedorov?

Why don't we have ONE GDT topic?

One topic for Injuries..

One for trades

One for..

What do you say?

You should really calm down. This is NOT technical problem.

You're one of those people that thinks if you let *** people wed that will lead to bestiality aren't you?

Way to go over the top is my point.

But, if we want to get technical, it's truly not necessary to do what you are questioning. Its really rather simple.

2 Sections: 1 has nothing but Wings stuff in it, including injuries, game day threads, etc....BUT...and this is the hard part so you need to focus.............IT INVOLVES NOTHING BUT THE WINGS. Savvy?

Then there's another section of the forum that is devoted to the REST of the NHL and its players.

I know its difficult to comprehend but don't give up.

[Opie 308]

I agree with you 100% the sammy thing was way worse, but this is going to get worse in the off season.

Heaven forbid one night a Feds is UFA Sign him now thread OMG thread moves to the second page there will be 5 the next day.

The only reason that this isn't as bad as it was around the trade deadline is because the wings have no viable option to get him yet.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I do not overload the boards with Fedorov threads.

Just think..topics about players are technical problem? Then YOU obviously have no idea what are you talking about.

If it was a problem, then admin can delete old topics, why do we have 248 pages of threads? Why do we have GDT from January 8, 2006, tell me?

Posting this thread had certain information value, why are you complaining about that. We do not have THAT many threads about Fedorov as you are trying to show.

edit:

Why do people keep complaing about this particular thing if you can simply ignore it. You would not waste your energy and time. A double win.

I may not have to click on the thread but its still amongst the list of threads. And at times there are multiple Fedorov threads on the first page. May seem insignificant to you but I don't like having to weed through a bunch of NON-REDWINGS RELATED MATERIAL.

So please refrain from trying to discredit or sweep under the rug my issues. Just because its no issue for you its very easy for you to tell me just to ignore the threads. You like being told what to do, especially when you don't agree with it? 'nuff said.

[Reds4Life 51]

You're one of those people that thinks if you let *** people wed that will lead to bestiality aren't you?

But, if we want to get technical, it's truly not necessary to do what you are questioning. Its really rather simple.

2 Sections: 1 has nothing but Wings stuff in it, including injuries, game day threads, etc....BUT...and this is the hard part so you need to focus.............IT INVOLVES NOTHING BUT THE WINGS. Savvy?

Then there's another section of the forum that is devoted to the REST of the NHL and its players.

I know its difficult to comprehend but don't give up.

Says you.

I was responding to Opie.

I never said anything against the idea of making 2 forums or subofrum.

Why are you always trying to lead the discussion somewhere else.

You do not like the fact that there are threads about Fedorov because he is not Wing anymore. I understand that.

For me, this thread was good and if not for this thread I would not read interesting (for me) article about Sergei Fedorov.

[Sergeiwasmyfav 0]

You're one of those people that thinks if you let *** people wed that will lead to bestiality aren't you?Way to go over the top is my point.

But, if we want to get technical, it's truly not necessary to do what you are questioning. Its really rather simple.

2 Sections: 1 has nothing but Wings stuff in it, including injuries, game day threads, etc....BUT...and this is the hard part so you need to focus.............IT INVOLVES NOTHING BUT THE WINGS. Savvy?

Then there's another section of the forum that is devoted to the REST of the NHL and its players.

I know its difficult to comprehend but don't give up.

Wow, you can be brutal in your posts, but I find it oddly hilarious. I just laughed for a good 30 seconds when I read this, although I actually agree with a lot of what the guy you were jabbing at was saying.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Says you.

I was responding to Opie.

I never said anything against the idea of making 2 forums or subofrum.

Why are you always trying to lead the discussion somewhere else.

You do not like the fact that there are threads about Fedorov because he is not Wing anymore. I understand that.

For me, this thread was good and if not for this thread I would not read interesting (for me) article about Sergei Fedorov.

Then why the hell are you busting my balls. If you aren't against it and i'm for it then just zip it. Or are you arguing just to argue?

Where else am I trying to lead the conversation? Whether you were responding to me or Opie you posed that ridiculous question about why should'nt we have a separate thread only for injuries or trades or whatever? What was your point? I certainly read it as an opposition to creating subforums hence my response to you.