Ryan Miller to Detroit?

[Opie 308]

You think the Wings are getting Ryan Miller for 5 mil, what on earth are you smoking and can I have some!!

JS Giguere 5.5 to start 7 at the end

Kipper 8 (3yrs) to start then 6 (1 year) 3.5(1 year) then 1 (1 year)

Jose Theodore 4.5, 5.5, 6

Turco 6, 5.7, 5.7, 5.4

Dipietro 4.5 for the next 100 years, this should be on sale of the century (sorry for the young folks that don't get that joke!)

Lundqvist(sp) 7.7, 7.7, 6.8, 7.7, 6.8, 6.8, 5.1 (Not the goaltender Miller is YET!!)

Nabby 5, 5, 5.5, 6

Most of these deals were signed before the salary cap went up, the best comparrison would have to be Lundquist and Miller will get more than that on the open market.

Miller for 5 with the cap going up this year and more than likely next is laughable and if Ken Holland pulls that off he should be investigated by the players association for collusion!!!

You honestly think that in 09 Miller will make less money than Jose Theodore, really?

[Bryguy 103]

So what do we do when and if Howard is not what everyones says he is and Ozzie is having a inconsistent year?

[2probert4 8]

You think the Wings are getting Ryan Miller for 5 mil, what on earth are you smoking and can I have some!!

JS Giguere 5.5 to start 7 at the end

Kipper 8 (3yrs) to start then 6 (1 year) 3.5(1 year) then 1 (1 year)

Jose Theodore 4.5, 5.5, 6

Turco 6, 5.7, 5.7, 5.4

Dipietro 4.5 for the next 100 years, this should be on sale of the century (sorry for the young folks that don't get that joke!)

Lundqvist(sp) 7.7, 7.7, 6.8, 7.7, 6.8, 6.8, 5.1 (Not the goaltender Miller is YET!!)

Nabby 5, 5, 5.5, 6

Most of these deals were signed before the salary cap went up, the best comparrison would have to be Lundquist and Miller will get more than that on the open market.

Miller for 5 with the cap going up this year and more than likely next is laughable and if Ken Holland pulls that off he should be investigated by the players association for collusion!!!

You honestly think that in 09 Miller will make less money than Jose Theodore, really?

I believe that I posted at LEAST 5 mill per.....not 5 mill per...

[Opie 308]

I believe that I posted at LEAST 5 mill per.....not 5 mill per...

Which would mean 5 Mil or more meaning, he could potentially play for 5 mil, if I had said he will make at least 1 mil would that make sense?

Of course he will make more than minimum wage, but would it have made sense if I had said he would make at least 7.25 an hour?

[YoungGuns1340 1]

So what do we do when and if Howard is not what everyones says he is and Ozzie is having a inconsistent year?

I think thats the point here. There is absolutely NO reason to go after Miller until we know where Howard stands. Should Howard flop, we still have Osgood. Should Osgood flop, we still have an incredible defense. The Wings arent exactly a team that lives and dies with their goaltending. Both our tenders would have to be abysmal for it to have an incredibly detrimental effect to the success of our squad.

We need to have a better idea of where this Osgood/Howard goaltending tandem stands. We need to have a better idea of our cap situation. We need to know if Lidstrom re-signs and for how much. And by that time, Luongo is a UFA as well. IMO, it would be terrible cap management to go out and trade for Miller when we could have just as strong goaltending for 1/3 of the price in Osgood/Howard. This is an era where you have to give your young guns a chance to shine. Id hate to see Detroit handicapped by a huge Miller contract when his play this past season hasnt even been that of a Top 10 NHL goaltender..

[Reds4Life 51]

Miller would be awesome, I'd prefer him and give up Filppula, Lilja, Hudler, Sammy if needed (salary cap).

Howard seems to inconsistent and we should trade him while we can get something for him.

Edited April 21, 2008 by Reds4Life

[YoungGuns1340 1]

You think the Wings are getting Ryan Miller for 5 mil, what on earth are you smoking and can I have some!!

JS Giguere 5.5 to start 7 at the end - Conne Smythe, Stanley Cup

Kipper 8 (3yrs) to start then 6 (1 year) 3.5(1 year) then 1 (1 year) - Vezina nominee and winner

Jose Theodore 4.5, 5.5, 6 - This contract signed after he was a Hart and Vezina winner

Turco 6, 5.7, 5.7, 5.4 - 30+ wins for 5 straight seasons

Dipietro 4.5 for the next 100 years, this should be on sale of the century (sorry for the young folks that don't get that joke!) - Islanders contract, speaks for itself.

Lundqvist(sp) 7.7, 7.7, 6.8, 7.7, 6.8, 6.8, 5.1 (Not the goaltender Miller is YET!!) - MUCH better goaltender than Miller is already, Vezina nominee

Nabby 5, 5, 5.5, 6 - 5.3M cap hit, no nominations/awards/long history of success

Most of these deals were signed before the salary cap went up, the best comparrison would have to be Lundquist and Miller will get more than that on the open market. Actually the best comparison would be Nabakov, as Nabakov had no award nominations to his name and has never been considered the best goaltender for half a season as Lundqvist was just last year. Ironically, Nabbys cap hit is 5.3, which isnt that far off of the contract Miller would get in Detroit long-term.

Miller for 5 with the cap going up this year and more than likely next is laughable and if Ken Holland pulls that off he should be investigated by the players association for collusion!!!

You honestly think that in 09 Miller will make less money than Jose Theodore, really? Again, this contract was signed when Theodore was the best goaltender in the NHL. Not to mention hes looking like hes getting back to that form.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Miller would be awesome, I'd prefer him and give up Filppula, Lilja, Hudler, Sammy if needed (salary cap).

Howard seems to inconsistent and we should trade him while we can get something for him.

Yeah, because AHL goaltending behind of a non-competitive AHL roster = NHL hockey behind the Red Wings.

And you KNOW every NHL GM is going to be clamoring to trade for a young goaltender with a handful of NHL games experience. Surely his value is through the roof right now.

[2probert4 8]

Which would mean 5 Mil or more meaning, he could potentially play for 5 mil, if I had said he will make at least 1 mil would that make sense?

Of course he will make more than minimum wage, but would it have made sense if I had said he would make at least 7.25 an hour?

LOL at 5 mill being minimum wage. Of course his agent will compare with other goalies wages before saying what he wants. If it goes much over that, it may be more than Buffalo wants to shell out considering their history with free agents.

[2probert4 8]

I think thats the point here. There is absolutely NO reason to go after Miller until we know where Howard stands. Should Howard flop, we still have Osgood. Should Osgood flop, we still have an incredible defense. The Wings arent exactly a team that lives and dies with their goaltending. Both our tenders would have to be abysmal for it to have an incredibly detrimental effect to the success of our squad.

We need to have a better idea of where this Osgood/Howard goaltending tandem stands. We need to have a better idea of our cap situation. We need to know if Lidstrom re-signs and for how much. And by that time, Luongo is a UFA as well. IMO, it would be terrible cap management to go out and trade for Miller when we could have just as strong goaltending for 1/3 of the price in Osgood/Howard. This is an era where you have to give your young guns a chance to shine. Id hate to see Detroit handicapped by a huge Miller contract when his play this past season hasnt even been that of a Top 10 NHL goaltender..

Thought Lidstrom already resigned ???

[russianswede919293 95]

So what do we do when and if Howard is not what everyones says he is and Ozzie is having a inconsistent year?

draft tavares

[Reds4Life 51]

Yeah, because AHL goaltending behind of a non-competitive AHL roster = NHL hockey behind the Red Wings.

Yeah..AHL forwards = NHL forwards

And you KNOW every NHL GM is going to be clamoring to trade for a young goaltender with a handful of NHL games experience. Surely his value is through the roof right now.

We have better chance to get something for him while he's relatively young and kinda promising.

Osgood is signed through 10/11, Howard will be lucky if he can play 20+games a year.

I think we should go for proven young goalie like Miller if we have any chance to do so.

[revmo10 3]

I don't think we should do anything with goaltenders until we see what happens this off season and next year due to the fact that the league is evaluating the size of the goaltenders and some that are really good now might not be so good with smaller equipment. I say we go with Osgood/Howard next season and let the new pad sizes play out before getting locked into 5 mil. + with a goalie that can't hack it with smaller pads.

Edited April 21, 2008 by revmo10

[russianswede919293 95]

Ozzie will split time with Howard next year, they will each play about 40 games.

Howard will be lucky if he can play 20+games a year.

[Opie 308]

Youngguns I get your point, however do you really think he will sign for 5 mil?

[dallas27 7]

From what we saw from Howard this year during his short stint in Detroit you have to give him a shot. He was actually able to weather the storm called pee-wee hockey during that certain month.

[Superman54 91]

I know Howard is gonna be steller next year, so I don't think their will be a need to get Miller

[LeftWinger 5,153]

It will be interesting re-visiting this topic on a series to series basis. Fair or not...I think Osgood is playing for his job as the Wings goaltender. He has a history of sub-par or average performances that didn't get it done. The one time he was the Cup winning goaltender, it was "in spite of Osgood, not because of him". Personally, I would love to see him take this team on his back and carry them to the promised land. No one could say the Cup was gained despite him.

That being said, Ozzie is one poor series away from being trade bait.

...so the Wings won the Cup in 1998 "in spite" of Osgood? Are you saying that if they still had Tim Cheveldae, they would have still won the Cup? Jesus! Osgood gets NO respect. G.D. he is what #15 ALL-TIME in wins? For petes sake he lead the NHL in GAA this year, DESPITE, getting lit up in February. (when they had 5 injured defensemen.) Jakers, even the great Roy let in some soft goals once in a while, so does Broduer. Osgood deserves EVERY accolade he earns, and if you think he has the stats he has ONLY because he played for Detroit, then put Bob Essensa back in net for all these years, how good are they then? Dude, I love your name and I agree with 91 to the rafters, and expect 30 to go up as well he has earned it, he is number 2 behind Sawchuk (less than 100 Red Wing wins than Sawchuk.) And considering most of Osgood's career was spent as the 1a or 1b goaltender and Sawchuk played nearly EVERY game that says alot. #30 will go up especially if they get anywhere NEAR a cup in the next three years... 5/91/30 the next numbers to go up!

[redwing_sparty 0]

miller sucked it up in my nhl 07 season 3, and i ended up winning the cup with howard. that is all the evidence i need, lol

[Tommie2 0]

This is fricking dumb to keep bringing this up.

IT AINT HAPPENING!!

Osgood and Howard next year and the year after that, and prob the year after that as well.

And they'll sign Larsson to a contract and bring him over and start him in grand rapids

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

This is fricking dumb to keep bringing this up.

IT AINT HAPPENING!!

Osgood and Howard next year and the year after that, and prob the year after that as well.

Why do you say it's dumb?

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

Yeah..AHL forwards = NHL forwards

We have better chance to get something for him while he's relatively young and kinda promising.

Osgood is signed through 10/11, Howard will be lucky if he can play 20+games a year.

I think we should go for proven young goalie like Miller if we have any chance to do so.

I couldn't agree more!!!

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Youngguns I get your point, however do you really think he will sign for 5 mil?

Im not saying 5M, but looking at the overall numbers for those goaltenders is deceiving in it of itself. Ryan Miller as of now is on par with Rick Dipietro in terms of would-be salary and performance. He did not by any means have a strong year this year and there have been some complaints about him in the past from Sabres fans. I think hes a good goalie, but hes still far from elite and has done nothing to prove that he deserves a big paycheck similar to that of Kipper, Giguer, Lundqvist, etc. Those guys are Vezina material.

Also, if Miller were to sign with the Wings, I cant see him getting any less than a 4-5 year contract. Hes not a liability in terms of age and he doesnt have an injury history, so it would be a no-brainer to lock him up longterm.

I think lack of material success (nominations, trophies, playoff wins) in conjunction with the fact that he would be locked up long-term means it wouldnt be far out of the question to see this guy get something in the 5-5.5 million range. I really think he lacks the wow factor that got a lot of those goaltenders their contracts..

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Yeah..AHL forwards = NHL forwards

We have better chance to get something for him while he's relatively young and kinda promising.

Osgood is signed through 10/11, Howard will be lucky if he can play 20+games a year.

I think we should go for proven young goalie like Miller if we have any chance to do so.

Wed have a better chance of getting something for him now? No. We wouldnt. Wed get more for him after hes been seasoned behind Chris Osgood for a year and has valuable NHL experience.

Howard is lucky if he can play 20+ games?? Yeah youre right. Because Osgood has played anywhere close to 60+ games recently. Except not. Osgood has played over 60 games all of 4 times in his entire career. And he hasnt played anything over 43 in 4 years. Not to mention, Im sure Babcock is going to want to play a 36 year old for 60+ games when its practically a give that the Wings are playing the extra season every year. In fact, only 14 goaltenders in the entire NHL played more than 60 games. And yeah, it would sure be great coaching to have a rookie goaltender as your 2nd string only to have him ride the pine for over 75% of the season. In fact, all of the rookie goaltenders who were playing back-up (not third string) this season played in at least 23 games.

Not to mention..theres this thing called the cap. Sure. Right when Hank is up for a new contract, lets sign a goaltender whos going to cost easily 3x as much as Howard, and if its Miller were talking about, then well over 6x what wed be paying Howard. But first, lets trade away a legit goaltending prospect who will *maybe* land us something that could make an NHL roster or could be a depth player...and lets do that before we even know how good he can be.

No really..overall, its a great plan. Im sure thats why we're all hearing about how Holland and co. are clamoring to send off Howard "while he can get a decent return."

[2probert4 8]

Im not saying 5M, but looking at the overall numbers for those goaltenders is deceiving in it of itself. Ryan Miller as of now is on par with Rick Dipietro in terms of would-be salary and performance. He did not by any means have a strong year this year and there have been some complaints about him in the past from Sabres fans. I think hes a good goalie, but hes still far from elite and has done nothing to prove that he deserves a big paycheck similar to that of Kipper, Giguer, Lundqvist, etc. Those guys are Vezina material.

Also, if Miller were to sign with the Wings, I cant see him getting any less than a 4-5 year contract. Hes not a liability in terms of age and he doesnt have an injury history, so it would be a no-brainer to lock him up longterm.

I think lack of material success (nominations, trophies, playoff wins) in conjunction with the fact that he would be locked up long-term means it wouldnt be far out of the question to see this guy get something in the 5-5.5 million range. I really think he lacks the wow factor that got a lot of those goaltenders their contracts..

Sometimes a goalie doesn't have much in front of him, and Buffalo was/is depleted by free agency. Not every team has the luxury of the defensive team that Detroit carries.