Red Wings and Penguins bias

[DallasStars 0]

This....http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=50270

Is pretty much the same on the "There is a crazy bias" ridiculous scale.

But, im sure im wrong. :/

Edited May 12, 2008 by DallasStars

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

They let the clutching and grabbing go the whole game, which favoured the Flyers in my opinion. In terms of the Briere incident, they couldn't have been watching it. If they were watching it, Orpik may have gotten a penalty, but in all likelihood, wouldn't have, as I said, they were letting that go. I think what happened is...the ref caught the end out of the corner of his eye and simply saw Briere hit Fleury and I can't fault the ref too much since it was away from the play, so he shouldn't be sitting their staring at it and if you catch it out of the corner of your eye, it seems like an easy call, when in reality, it should have been no call.

If he could see Fleury get hit in the head out of the corner of his eye there's no reason he couldn't catch the angle Orpik was forcing Briere to go.

[Opie 308]

Oh no, dallas stars you are right, people on here freak at the drop of a hat, Melrose hates the wings ZOMG!!1!!!!!1JKGHJKHASJDFHDHSDJKFHASDJKFH

Melrose picks the wings

Now were fuct ZOMG!!!!!111ladklfaldkjfalsdkjfl;asdkjf;laksdjf

[DallasStars 0]

It is the ignorant making these statements. I guarantee you there would be some of the same here if things werent going the way they are.

In the world of message board fandom:

1.When the team is winning: Everything is perfect. No one can beat us. Sweep. How did they make the playoffs? SC. When is the SC parade? Do I need to get there early?

2. When the team is losing: Switch the lines up. It's over. Conspiracy. Cheating. Look at their crowd. How did we make the playoffs? Do we need to revamp the front office? Do we need a new captain? That guy? He sucks. I cant believe he plays in the NHL. Maybe NHL 08.

It's hard to be surprised by what goes on.

[Lidstromrules16 7]

I biasly (sp) hate Crosby/Malkin and I am not gonna hide it. I think ts due to the media overhyping them than ther character in general.

Funny thing is, with the Wings series, I am a fan of both Morrow and Madano. I respect both players for what they do for their team, and am finding it hard to "hate" the Stars team. Disregarding the Osgood incident, I have always though little of Ribiero ever since he pulled that s*** in montreal.

I could understand people seeing bias towards the Pens and Wings, but the bigger problem is the refs havent been good regardless. IMO, I havent really noticed a bias towards the Wings, I just think that because Detroit scored on some of the power plays they had, it appears the refs were in favor of the WIngs, when if you look at the game stats, the PP's were pretty much even, Dallas just didnt get a goal. I am sure my opinions will change once the Wings lose, but this is me being objective.

Edited May 12, 2008 by Lidstromrules16

[Lovin Jiri Fischer 147]

I just think that sometimes you are going to get a ref who wants EVERYONE to know that he's in charge. So he makes call after call, wheter it's good or bad because he loves to feel the power.

[gowingsgo 3]

Don't wanna do the time? Don't do the crime. Stay out of the sin bin.

[VM1138 1,921]

Losing teams tend to do that. And yeah, we did it, but I still beleive the only time I really felt the refs were biased was against Anaheim and that ridiculous goal in that San Jose game. After all, blatant stupidity can only explain so much.

All else is just luck, or the refs not being able to see anything, or the refs trying to "make it fair."

[Opie 308]

Losing teams tend to do that. And yeah, we did it, but I still beleive the only time I really felt the refs were biased was against Anaheim and that ridiculous goal in that San Jose game. After all, blatant stupidity can only explain so much.

All else is just luck, or the refs not being able to see anything, or the refs trying to "make it fair."

I have a huge problem with the bolded part, not that you said it, that it exists.

I hate the fact that the refs start to think during a game, it leads to a situation where they are calling make up penalties or they will let a penalty go because they can't possibly give team x 4 pp's in a row. The best compliment I can give a ref about a game is man, I didn't even notice you were out there!!

[hak 21]

i visit alot of boards and i can tell you that most guys on this board are exactly the same as on any other fan board.

most of you are diehard fans who see most of the things through homergoggles (not that it's anything wrong with that)

*agree with everything DallasStars said*

[RedRockit 0]

My feel is that in Game 1, the officiating was clearly in favor of the Pens (to the point where even I, a devout non-konspiratsia proponent, actually thought, "oh no, the fix is in-- if Wings make the final, we're gonna be screwed by the refs"). Game 2, however, seemed much more balanced re calls, although I'd give the edge to non-calls in the Flyers favor-- they were getting away with a lot IMO.

My overall take thus far is that it's not bias that's producing adverse situations, it's just poor officiating in general.

It's almost like the refs are so overwhelmed out there they don't know what they're doing any more. They call the petty hooking and tripping because it's the only thing they're confident they can get right. Everything else-- they haven't a clue.

[edited for clarity]

Edited May 12, 2008 by RedRockit

[irishtemper14+25 11]

pittsburg might, but thats only because everyone wants to suck crosby's dick....and bettman will do what he can to get his guy in the stanley cup finals

[Kp-Wings 3]

pittsburg might, but thats only because everyone wants to suck crosby's dick....and bettman will do what he can to get his guy in the stanley cup finals

Haha, yes, that's exactly how it works.

[M0DAN01999 6]

I don't believe there is any bias in the reffing of these games. However I do think Bettman might be rooting for one team or another. I don't mind that. As long as he keeps it under wraps I don't care. I highly doubt there an active movement to help the wings or pens beat the stars and flyers respectively.

[Graybeard 0]

Losing teams tend to do that. And yeah, we did it, but I still beleive the only time I really felt the refs were biased was against Anaheim and that ridiculous goal in that San Jose game. After all, blatant stupidity can only explain so much.

All else is just luck, or the refs not being able to see anything, or the refs trying to "make it fair."

Spot on. There is no other explanation for Anaheim. Obviously they knew the crap Pronger was pulling because they came after him for it this season. Why then was it ok for him to play like that all through the playoffs last year? One game suspension for worse infractions than what other guys were getting huge suspensions for? Only because he was the league's darling and could do no wrong at the time. Anybody who thinks Betman would stop at anything when he thinks it will help league revenues needs to stop drinking the kool-aid. I do believe there is some of that going on in the Pens favor this year as well. Ovechkin and his boys may have actually been the victim of it as well. Couldn't have them playing the darlings, they might have beat them.

Other than some bias towards whatever team they pick in a particular year the quality of the officiating has gone down. You would think that adding the second ref would have made it better but is hasn't really. There are three main gripes I have with the officiating. One is like was stated above, they seem to think that keeping the penalties relatively even between the two competing teams "makes it fair". Bulls***. If one team is playing clean and the other team is gooning it up, then the goons should have more time in the box. No reason to call some weak ass hook on the other team later in the game to "even it up". Anybody who hasn't seen this happen hasn't been watching hockey in this decade. It's so common now that the commentators will mention that there's soon to be a weak penalty called on the other team without even blinking an eye or thinking about how wrong that really is. Inconsistency in the calls I think is something we can all agree on. There are a lot of calls made that yes, by the letter of the law they are penalties, but if you're going to call it, call it all the time. Dallas could have been screwed hard in their last game against SJ if their PK wasn't up to the task of killing off that last bulls*** call on them. The one on SJ that resulted in the game winning goal was deserved, but that weak ass call against Dallas before that was pathetic. But the thing that chaps my ass the most is the non-calls. How do you call Zetterberg for a trip when he's being held up against the boards but not call the holding? Obviously they saw it the guy was still holding after he made the trip? He was left no choice so if you're going to call one, call them both. The trip on Fip wasn't a penalty just because he got somewhere near the blue paint and was within Turco's reach? Come on, these non-calls were so blatantly bad that even the anti-Wings versus crew was pointing them out. But there had been so much whining because Detroit scored on their PP in the first game and Dallas didn't that they were letting crap go. I guess to "keep it even". How about Malkin skating up behind a Rangers player and flipping him over backwards and no call? Either the ref on that end was bias or completely freakin blind. Why did Chelios get only a two minute minor for butt ending a Stars player? I'm pretty sure that warrants a stiffer penalty, and then he runs his mouth at the ref all the way to the box like he hasn't gotten off light already?

I'm sure I'll get ripped for this opinion because it seems a lot here think it's all just hunky dorey but I just don't see things are being called anywhere near as well as they should be. Yes I understand that it's a fast game and things will happen but these guys are supposed to be the best at what they do.

[esteef 2,679]

Crosby's a whiny little diving *****! Malkin > Crosby.

I WANT the league to get Crosby and Co. in the Finals, because Dats and Zetts will never get the deserved respect (ie media coverage anywhere near what Crosby gets) until they beat the Pens in the SCF in front of everyone. Dats and Zetts names should be floating around with the Ovechkin's, the Crosby's and the Malkin's as the leagues best players right now but they still remain virtually invisible to the media.

I'm rambling now...

esteef

Edited May 12, 2008 by esteef

[Graybeard 0]

Crosby's a whiny little diving *****! Malkin > Crosby.

I WANT the league to get Crosby and Co. in the Finals, because Dats and Zetts will never get the desreved respect (ie media coverage anywhere near what Crosby gets) until they beat them in the SCF in front of everyone. Dats and Zetts names should be floating around with the Ovechkin's, the Crosby's and the Malkin's as the leagues best players right now but they still remain virtually invisible to the media.

I'm rambling now...

esteef

I'm with ya. Dats and Z don't get the same credit because being the good hockey players they are they give up a little offense so that they are good two way players. In spite of the fact that makes them better players than the poster child in Pittsburgh they will have to beat them to get any glory. Even then excuses will probably be made. No one will mention that Crosby is actually a liability in his own end, and even at center ice.

Edited May 12, 2008 by Graybeard

[VM1138 1,921]

I'm with ya. Dats and Z don't get the same credit because being the good hockey players they are they give up a little offense so that they are good two way players. In spite of the fact that makes them better players than the poster child in Pittsburgh they will have to beat them to get any glory. Even then excuses will probably be made. No one will mention that Crosby is actually a liability in his own end, and even at center ice.

Even if we were to beat them, excuses would be made to distract from Dats and Z. Well, Osgood was better than Fleury, or something like that. In no way will they ever undercut Sidney Crosby.

[Jwo 7]

With Turco not getting fined for starting "the goalies hitting players" in this series. I guess that means the Red Wings have the league in their pockets.

Edited May 12, 2008 by Jwo

[Opie 308]

NVM

Edited May 12, 2008 by Opie

[Dawgs 0]

The refereeing in the NHL is terribly inconsistent. Whats not called one second is a penalty the next depending on the situation. Make up calls are rampant. Its very easy to point to bad officiating as a reason your team loses. But to an unbiased eye in any given game both teams get good calls and bad calls. It does even up.

It doesnt make it right though and timing is everything. When you see a call go against Pavel in a one goal game with a minute left which turns the tide of not just the game but the series, it does cloud the eventual Cup win for Anaheim IMO.

[Yemack 1]

Better team gets the benefit of the doubt from ref.

[Dabura 12,232]

I WANT the league to get Crosby and Co. in the Finals, because Dats and Zetts will never get the deserved respect (ie media coverage anywhere near what Crosby gets) until they beat the Pens in the SCF in front of everyone.

Q. F. T.

But really, we're both dreaming. No matter what Hank and Dats prove, it's not going to hold a candle to "Crosby's heroics."

[donfishmaster 62]

Screw 'em. I was at Saturday's game and that little beeyahtch Turdco slashed every red jersey he could extend his stick to...finally after blatantly walloping Homer he got a call.

Sooo, screw all the little whiners!

Have a nice day.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

I'm with ya. Dats and Z don't get the same credit because being the good hockey players they are they give up a little offense so that they are good two way players. In spite of the fact that makes them better players than the poster child in Pittsburgh they will have to beat them to get any glory. Even then excuses will probably be made. No one will mention that Crosby is actually a liability in his own end, and even at center ice.

Please go up to any gm and ask them if Crosby is a liability.

True his defensive game needs work but seeing as Datsyuk and Zetterberg werent even in the leauge as crosby's current age i think its a moot point.

Datsyuk and Zetterberg are top 15 forwards in the game.

Crosby is a top 3