Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) apologies if this has already been posted. The bolded part just brought a huge smile to my face today. Been thinking the same thing all year. From NHL.com Pavel Datsyuk will never forget how Brett Hull showed him the ropes as he was trying to break into the NHL. Back then, the youngster from Russia hardly spoke the language as he was trying to establish himself with the Detroit Red Wings. Datsyuk sure has a funny way of repaying his old buddy now that Hull is the co-general manager of the Dallas Stars. Datsyuk scored three goals in Detroit's 5-2 victory at Dallas on Monday night to put the Red Wings in prime position to sweep the Stars in their best-of-seven Western Conference Finals "series in Game 4 Wednesday night (8 p.m. ET, VERSUS, TSN, RDS, NHL Radio). It was Pavel's first NHL hat trick of any kind, regular season or the playoffs. "I saw him before the series," the 29-year-old center from Sverdlovsk, Russia, told me after an off-day press gathering Tuesday. "I thanked him for his help and he told me not to be too tough on his team." There was no laugh when I told Pavel he was rubbing it in on Hullie's team. But when Datsyuk remembered Brett from his Red Wings days, he chuckled and said, "Brett's a funny guy. He always talked a lot. For me, sometimes pointing worked best. I could see in my mind what he was saying. I saw plays work. He gave me confidence to play better. He pushed me to do more. But I tried to learn to shoot like him ... but that was impossible." Datsyuk, who is building a new house in Detroit and is shooting pretty well now, still feels self-conscious around reporters. He's worried that his command of the language is not the best. But in a moment of confidence he recalled for me the night he was in St. Louis for a game, and the Blues retired Hull's uniform No. 16. "Yeah, Brett," he said, face brimming with a smile. "I remember one time he came back to the bench telling me he was open on the power play and I should have passed him the puck. I told him he was covered. He looked back at me and said, 'I've scored over 400 goals covered like that, kid.' " That ditty convinced me even more how clever this Russian Rocket really is -- and while he may prefer to stay under the radar in front of the media, he's on center stage as a player every night with his breathtaking skills as a skater, playmaker, and this season, he showed us another side with a League-leading 144 takeaways defensively. In case that number doesn't pop out at you, it was an astounding 58 more than Dallas' Mike Modano, who was second. Datsyuk's career-high 97 points were fourth in the NHL this season and he led the Red Wings in scoring for the third straight season, joining Detroit legends Ted Lindsay, Gordie Howe and Steve Yzerman as the only players in franchise history to lead the team in scoring in three consecutive seasons. Stamina? He was the only Detroit player to be in all 82 games in the regular season. And the takeaways isn't the only way you can see his commitment on offense and defense -- he led the NHL in plus-minus with a plus-41. Even more impressive is that in the playoffs, where goals become increasingly tough to get, especially on the road, Datsyuk has really shined -- getting all eight of his goals. He's not the same small, skinny-looking kid at 5-foot-10, 160 pounds that was passed over twice in the NHL Entry Draft and was finally picked 171st in 1998. He's now 5-11, 197. “I don't know if there is a player stronger on his skates than Pavel," Red Wings captain Nicklas Lidstrom said. "Opponents think they have him covered, and I've seen him continue to stickhandle with one hand and use his lower body strength to fight through the check and continue to go to the net. "Sometimes you can see early in a game, when Pavel's hanging onto the puck, when he's beating players and getting away from checks, he's on top of his game. On nights like this it's tough to get the puck away from him." "He makes moves you wouldn't even think of doing," gushed fiery Detroit center Kris Draper. "He's just unbelievable with the puck." Just the other day, Hull was remembering his days in Detroit and his time as the “old goat” on a line with youngsters Datsyuk and Boyd Devereaux. No slight to some of the Hall of Fame caliber centers Hull played with over the years like Adam Oates, Wayne Gretzky and Mike Modano, but “The Golden Brett” left no doubt how he feels about Datsyuk. "I still say he's the smartest player I've ever played with," Hull said. "Pavel sees the game as well as any of the elite players in this League." With three goals the other night, this puck wizard now has eight goals and nine assists in 13 playoff games this season and 16 goals and 17 assists covering 31 playoff games over the last two seasons. Why do I bring another set of positive statistics up at this point? Well, there was a point early in last year's playoffs where Datsyuk had zero goals in 26 games and had just three goals in 42 postseason games in his first four NHL seasons. Where once we wrote that he was an enigma wrapped in a riddle and, well, a mystery because he was so ineffective in the playoffs, now he's become Gretzky-like with his magical moves alongside Zetterberg. "I try not to remember those early playoff games. Keep it positive," Datsyuk said about the playoff problems he once had. "I'm a different player. More focused. I know how important it is to score in the playoffs." There's never been a doubt in my mind that Pavel Datsyuk was going to be a great playoff performer. He's too good and ... "He plays too hard for him not to be good in the playoffs," coach Mike Babcock said in probably the best explanation for those skeptical members of the media. "We, in Detroit, who see him every night, don't question anything about this world-class athlete," GM Ken Holland said. "But on some levels, he still has to fight those perceptions that some Euros don't play hard ... that they don't care. Just watch him closely. He plays hard every night. He cares ... a lot. Most important, he plays hard both offensively and defensively." Quick. Smart. Plays like he's got the puck on a string. Magical hands. That's what the Red Wings expect from this former diamond in the rough that Detroit stole in the sixth round of the 1998 draft. Holland said Datsyuk has benefited from increased ice time and responsibility. "To me, the difference is that he used to want to beat the same guy three times on one play," Holland laughed. "Now he beats one guy and goes to the net. He is exceptional down low." What makes Datsyuk so difficult to stop is his ability to shoot the puck on the move, a lot of times shooting off the wrong foot, when you expect him to pass the puck. What makes him so dangerous is that he gets his shot off so quickly, even in traffic, sort of like Colorado Avalanche star Joe Sakic does. Just like he did against Dallas goaltender Marty Turco in Game 3. Some people may forget, but Datsyuk learned a lot in getting three goals and three assists in 21 games in the 2002 playoffs as the Red Wings went on to win their last Stanley Cup. "We've had nothing but faith in him since he first stepped into this locker room. You could see the skill. You could see the passion in the way he carried himself," Draper added. "The year we won the Cup in 2002 he scored several big goals for us. In here, we've never forgotten that." And Brett Hull has no one to blame than himself for helping Pavel Datsyuk get the confidence he has to do those marvelously magical things he does on the ice now. "SMARTEST PLAYER HE'S EVER PLAYED WITH"-Brett Hull Not too shabby coming from a guy who played with Gretzky, Oates and Lidstrom Edited May 14, 2008 by GordieSid&Ted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 Great article!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparty13 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 EASILY the best all around player in the NHL he dominates the game offensively by setting linemates up and getting his own goals all while hussling his ass down to backcheck and get takeaways... No one in the NHL works as hard as this guy night after night defensively while scoring 100 pts a year. Absolutely amazing. He controls the whole game and sets the tempo. (Z helps too!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 Datsyuk = LE-GEN-DARY!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 Haha Good Old Brett Hull..he's hilarious. Great article, Pavel is awesome player. We are lucky to have him on our team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
58Miles2Joe 12 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 meh, he's ok Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kira 451 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 It's about time the rest of the League finds out what we've known all along. This man is pure gold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 He still has a heavy accent when he talks in interviews but I understood in plain english what he said after that goal was disallowed last night .. the camera panned right to him as he points hard and says "f*** THAT!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kira 451 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 Well, at least he knows when things are wrong. Homer did the same thing last night. You didn't need to be a lip reader to see when he let loose with one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsZR2 1 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 He still has a heavy accent when he talks in interviews but I understood in plain english what he said after that goal was disallowed last night .. the camera panned right to him as he points hard and says "f*** THAT!" I've never been able to read lips but I was able to pick that up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastballspecial 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) He still has a heavy accent when he talks in interviews but I understood in plain english what he said after that goal was disallowed last night .. the camera panned right to him as he points hard and says "f*** THAT!" I got a kick out of that last night. Edited May 15, 2008 by fastballspecial Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kira 451 Report post Posted May 16, 2008 Tell me you wouldn't have said the same thing...and I'll say you're lying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Love Lidstrom 0 Report post Posted May 16, 2008 apologies if this has already been posted. The bolded part just brought a huge smile to my face today. Been thinking the same thing all year. From NHL.com Pavel Datsyuk will never forget how Brett Hull showed him the ropes as he was trying to break into the NHL. Back then, the youngster from Russia hardly spoke the language as he was trying to establish himself with the Detroit Red Wings. Datsyuk sure has a funny way of repaying his old buddy now that Hull is the co-general manager of the Dallas Stars. Datsyuk scored three goals in Detroit's 5-2 victory at Dallas on Monday night to put the Red Wings in prime position to sweep the Stars in their best-of-seven Western Conference Finals "series in Game 4 Wednesday night (8 p.m. ET, VERSUS, TSN, RDS, NHL Radio). It was Pavel's first NHL hat trick of any kind, regular season or the playoffs. "I saw him before the series," the 29-year-old center from Sverdlovsk, Russia, told me after an off-day press gathering Tuesday. "I thanked him for his help and he told me not to be too tough on his team." There was no laugh when I told Pavel he was rubbing it in on Hullie's team. But when Datsyuk remembered Brett from his Red Wings days, he chuckled and said, "Brett's a funny guy. He always talked a lot. For me, sometimes pointing worked best. I could see in my mind what he was saying. I saw plays work. He gave me confidence to play better. He pushed me to do more. But I tried to learn to shoot like him ... but that was impossible." Datsyuk, who is building a new house in Detroit and is shooting pretty well now, still feels self-conscious around reporters. He's worried that his command of the language is not the best. But in a moment of confidence he recalled for me the night he was in St. Louis for a game, and the Blues retired Hull's uniform No. 16. "Yeah, Brett," he said, face brimming with a smile. "I remember one time he came back to the bench telling me he was open on the power play and I should have passed him the puck. I told him he was covered. He looked back at me and said, 'I've scored over 400 goals covered like that, kid.' " That ditty convinced me even more how clever this Russian Rocket really is -- and while he may prefer to stay under the radar in front of the media, he's on center stage as a player every night with his breathtaking skills as a skater, playmaker, and this season, he showed us another side with a League-leading 144 takeaways defensively. In case that number doesn't pop out at you, it was an astounding 58 more than Dallas' Mike Modano, who was second. Datsyuk's career-high 97 points were fourth in the NHL this season and he led the Red Wings in scoring for the third straight season, joining Detroit legends Ted Lindsay, Gordie Howe and Steve Yzerman as the only players in franchise history to lead the team in scoring in three consecutive seasons. Stamina? He was the only Detroit player to be in all 82 games in the regular season. And the takeaways isn't the only way you can see his commitment on offense and defense -- he led the NHL in plus-minus with a plus-41. Even more impressive is that in the playoffs, where goals become increasingly tough to get, especially on the road, Datsyuk has really shined -- getting all eight of his goals. He's not the same small, skinny-looking kid at 5-foot-10, 160 pounds that was passed over twice in the NHL Entry Draft and was finally picked 171st in 1998. He's now 5-11, 197. “I don't know if there is a player stronger on his skates than Pavel," Red Wings captain Nicklas Lidstrom said. "Opponents think they have him covered, and I've seen him continue to stickhandle with one hand and use his lower body strength to fight through the check and continue to go to the net. "Sometimes you can see early in a game, when Pavel's hanging onto the puck, when he's beating players and getting away from checks, he's on top of his game. On nights like this it's tough to get the puck away from him." "He makes moves you wouldn't even think of doing," gushed fiery Detroit center Kris Draper. "He's just unbelievable with the puck." Just the other day, Hull was remembering his days in Detroit and his time as the “old goat” on a line with youngsters Datsyuk and Boyd Devereaux. No slight to some of the Hall of Fame caliber centers Hull played with over the years like Adam Oates, Wayne Gretzky and Mike Modano, but “The Golden Brett” left no doubt how he feels about Datsyuk. "I still say he's the smartest player I've ever played with," Hull said. "Pavel sees the game as well as any of the elite players in this League." With three goals the other night, this puck wizard now has eight goals and nine assists in 13 playoff games this season and 16 goals and 17 assists covering 31 playoff games over the last two seasons. Why do I bring another set of positive statistics up at this point? Well, there was a point early in last year's playoffs where Datsyuk had zero goals in 26 games and had just three goals in 42 postseason games in his first four NHL seasons. Where once we wrote that he was an enigma wrapped in a riddle and, well, a mystery because he was so ineffective in the playoffs, now he's become Gretzky-like with his magical moves alongside Zetterberg. "I try not to remember those early playoff games. Keep it positive," Datsyuk said about the playoff problems he once had. "I'm a different player. More focused. I know how important it is to score in the playoffs." There's never been a doubt in my mind that Pavel Datsyuk was going to be a great playoff performer. He's too good and ... "He plays too hard for him not to be good in the playoffs," coach Mike Babcock said in probably the best explanation for those skeptical members of the media. "We, in Detroit, who see him every night, don't question anything about this world-class athlete," GM Ken Holland said. "But on some levels, he still has to fight those perceptions that some Euros don't play hard ... that they don't care. Just watch him closely. He plays hard every night. He cares ... a lot. Most important, he plays hard both offensively and defensively." Quick. Smart. Plays like he's got the puck on a string. Magical hands. That's what the Red Wings expect from this former diamond in the rough that Detroit stole in the sixth round of the 1998 draft. Holland said Datsyuk has benefited from increased ice time and responsibility. "To me, the difference is that he used to want to beat the same guy three times on one play," Holland laughed. "Now he beats one guy and goes to the net. He is exceptional down low." What makes Datsyuk so difficult to stop is his ability to shoot the puck on the move, a lot of times shooting off the wrong foot, when you expect him to pass the puck. What makes him so dangerous is that he gets his shot off so quickly, even in traffic, sort of like Colorado Avalanche star Joe Sakic does. Just like he did against Dallas goaltender Marty Turco in Game 3. Some people may forget, but Datsyuk learned a lot in getting three goals and three assists in 21 games in the 2002 playoffs as the Red Wings went on to win their last Stanley Cup. "We've had nothing but faith in him since he first stepped into this locker room. You could see the skill. You could see the passion in the way he carried himself," Draper added. "The year we won the Cup in 2002 he scored several big goals for us. In here, we've never forgotten that." And Brett Hull has no one to blame than himself for helping Pavel Datsyuk get the confidence he has to do those marvelously magical things he does on the ice now. "SMARTEST PLAYER HE'S EVER PLAYED WITH"-Brett Hull Not too shabby coming from a guy who played with Gretzky, Oates and Lidstrom I just love Datsyuk. He is so awesome! I'm most impressed with his 144 takeaways! I LOVE watching him play. He is such a skilled player. Quite incredible! GO WINGS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swedishseven 9 Report post Posted May 16, 2008 i loved the hull quote "ive scored 400 goals covered like that!"...classic hullie!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Danny 155 Report post Posted May 16, 2008 i loved the hull quote "ive scored 400 goals covered like that!"...classic hullie!!! The best part about that quote is that he was neither lying nor bragging. I can almost picture John MacLean saying the same thing... "I've scored 400 goals covered like that... yippee kay yay, motherf***er!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted May 16, 2008 Tell me you wouldn't have said the same thing...and I'll say you're lying. ..Actually, it's exactly what I DID say! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted May 16, 2008 a delight to watch indeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kira 451 Report post Posted May 16, 2008 ..Actually, it's exactly what I DID say! Now, how did I know that???? Great minds think alike??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaKineMaui 8 Report post Posted May 16, 2008 I'm most impressed with his 144 takeaways! Been watching that myself, about 3 or 4 times a game this playoff run. He flies through the other way in the neutral zone and grabs it away - I always rewind Tivo and dub in the words "GIMME THAT! MINE!" as he skates off the other way with it. It's almost unfair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kira 451 Report post Posted May 17, 2008 I think you would be hard pressed to name someone on the Wings who has left more of his heart, soul and passion on that ice than Pasha. What a job he's done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites