Ken Holland Was SMART!

[Anomalously 0]

Hossa signed a long term deal, therefore he's not a rental player.

Wrong.

[Opie 308]

Nice rant. I simply said they could have improved their roster for next to nothing. Lapointe is better than McCarty, that's a simple fact. Instead of having Mac play 3-5 minutes a game and taking numerous stupid penalties the past two weeks, we could have had a legitimate player out there playing 8-10 minutes a game, which gives more rest to the big guns, and not taking as many penalties. You're blowing this out of proportion. It's all worked out well but to call Holland "Smart" for not improving the roster is odd, to me.

Brad Stuart, heard of the guy, he wears 23 for the Wings?

I am calling Holland smart because year after year he has this team in the hunt for the cup without mortgaging the future.

And I think he did improve the roster, you don't, but when/if Detroit wins the cup isn't that the ultimate goal?

So if the wings win the cup will you still post that he wasn't smart at the deadline.

BTW when was the last goal Lapointe scored in the Playoffs, where is Lapointe right now, how about Fedorov?

Hossa signed a long term deal, therefore he's not a rental player.

Nevermind, I just realize you don't know much about hockey!

Edited May 27, 2008 by Opie

[therock48880 14]

Actually I would rather win the cup!!!

And seeing as the Wings are winning with the line up they have, YES I would rather have Mac than Lapointe (especially) or Fedorov.

But what you are forgetting is that both of those guys game from the same Central division that the wings play in, do you know how many times inter-division trading happens?

Those two were just examples. I can't believe you'd rather have McCarty than players were much more talented. But, you can have your opinions. Personally, I'd take either Lapointe or Fedorov (I realize the likelihood of them being traded to Detroit were remote and I'm merely using them as examples of serviceable players who were traded for next to nothing) over McCarty any day.

[Heaton 1]

Those two were just examples. I can't believe you'd rather have McCarty than players were much more talented. But, you can have your opinions. Personally, I'd take either Lapointe or Fedorov (I realize the likelihood of them being traded to Detroit were remote and I'm merely using them as examples of serviceable players who were traded for next to nothing) over McCarty any day.

McCarty was free and has been fine in his stint, you can't foresee injuries all the time and there's never a perfect contingency plan. Holding that over Holland's head is petty and nitpicking at it's finest. There's nothing a guy like Marty Lapointe would've done that McCarty isn't. He'd still play 5 minutes and take stupid penalties, it's what he's made a career of. Holland has proven he's the best GM in the league, not trading a 3rd rounder for some 15th forward isn't anything of consequence.

[gcom007 1,465]

Once again, I feel it's important to note that I supported Holland and numerous times stated to look for Franzen to come up big only to get replies of, "Franzens alright but he can't be relied on for secondary scoring..." Mmmmmmhmmmmmm..........

[therock48880 14]

Nevermind, I just realize you don't know much about hockey!

I never said Stuart wasn't a good addition. I said they could have picked up other players for next to nothing. I don't think that warranted a personal attack like saying I don't know anything about hockey. You're all offended because I don't think Holland is "Smart" for turning his back on players who would have helped the team. Sorry.

By they way, Pittsburgh did sign Hossa to an extension. Since a rental is a player who is with the team until the end of the year only, he isn't a rental. Now, I could stoop to your level and begin insulting your hockey intelligence, but I'll pass because I realize people can have differing opinions.

[Opie 308]

Nice rant. I simply said they could have improved their roster for next to nothing. Lapointe is better than McCarty, that's a simple fact. Instead of having Mac play 3-5 minutes a game and taking numerous stupid penalties the past two weeks, we could have had a legitimate player out there playing 8-10 minutes a game, which gives more rest to the big guns, and not taking as many penalties. You're blowing this out of proportion. It's all worked out well but to call Holland "Smart" for not improving the roster is odd, to me.

I never said Stuart wasn't a good addition. I said they could have picked up other players for next to nothing. I don't think that warranted a personal attack like saying I don't know anything about hockey. You're all offended because I don't think Holland is "Smart" for turning his back on players who would have helped the team. Sorry.

By they way, Pittsburgh did sign Hossa to an extension. Since a rental is a player who is with the team until the end of the year only, he isn't a rental. Now, I could stoop to your level and begin insulting your hockey intelligence, but I'll pass because I realize people can have differing opinions.

Re-read your own posts please!!!!

So me a link to something anything that shows Hossa signed and extension, go ahead I will wait!

[therock48880 14]

McCarty was free and has been fine in his stint, you can't foresee injuries all the time and there's never a perfect contingency plan. Holding that over Holland's head is petty and nitpicking at it's finest. There's nothing a guy like Marty Lapointe would've done that McCarty isn't. He'd still play 5 minutes and take stupid penalties, it's what he's made a career of. Holland has proven he's the best GM in the league, not trading a 3rd rounder for some 15th forward isn't anything of consequence.

I'm stunned that everyone is being so bitter about this. It's not a big deal but I won't call Holland "Smart" for not picking up roll players that could have helped. I'm not being petty or nitpicking. You guys are all going nuts about this. I would have preferred he added a little depth in case of an injury, that's all I'm saying. Geeez, people need to relax.

[Opie 308]

I'm stunned that everyone is being so bitter about this. It's not a big deal but I won't call Holland "Smart" for not picking up roll players that could have helped. I'm not being petty or nitpicking. You guys are all going nuts about this. I would have preferred he added a little depth in case of an injury, that's all I'm saying. Geeez, people need to relax.

No one (at least not me) needs to relax, I am fine, this a discussion board we discuss opinions if you didn't want people to comment on your opinion, than don't post it.

The thing is you have a bunch of could have helped the team, would have helped the team, blah blah crap defending your opinion, however I, and others, have actual results, which in about a week could be yet another stanley cup!

You would have could have should have, will have exactly what it has today, no bearing on the outcome and is off base.

You say Lapoint would have helped, I say he would have been a locker room cancer and this team loses in the first round.

I have the same amount of evidence to back up my statement as you do yours.

[therock48880 14]

Wrong.

You're right. My bad. Hossa is a rental. I offer my sincerest apologies.

I never once said the Wings should trade for Hossa. I wanted some cheap, depth to help in case of injury.

[omnipotent_hudler 0]

-LGW, where probable cup winning rosters are just not good enough!

[Reds4Life 51]

By they way, Pittsburgh did sign Hossa to an extension. Since a rental is a player who is with the team until the end of the year only, he isn't a rental.

wow

Man you have no idea what are you talking about. Please think twice before posting crap like that.

edit: too late :/

Edited May 27, 2008 by Reds4Life

[therock48880 14]

No one (at least not me) needs to relax, I am fine, this a discussion board we discuss opinions if you didn't want people to comment on your opinion, than don't post it.

The thing is you have a bunch of could have helped the team, would have helped the team, blah blah crap defending your opinion, however I, and others, have actual results, which in about a week could be yet another stanley cup!

You would have could have should have, will have exactly what it has today, no bearing on the outcome and is off base.

You say Lapoint would have helped, I say he would have been a locker room cancer and this team loses in the first round.

I have the same amount of evidence to back up my statement as you do yours.

Being told that I have no intelligence, I find irritating and unnecessary. Was I wrong? Yes, I was. Being told that I am nitpicking is irritating. I simply said that I won't call Holland Smart for not adding depth at the deadline. That's NOT nitpicking and the fact that I was wrong about something doesn't mean that I have no hockey intelligence.

[stud_defenseman 1]

I wouldn't say we ALL wanted Hossa, but yes 95% of us did, and the rest of us just hoped for him!!!

:beerbuddy:

I was one guy who honestly did not want Hossa. If we could have got him much cheaper than he went for then sure, but the cost would have been too high for a rental. I would have rather had them get a second line player who we could have possibly resigned next year. I doubt they would have been able to sign Hossa for the 7 mill he will be trying to get, nor do I think he is worth it.

[therock48880 14]

-LGW, where probable cup winning rosters are just not good enough!

OH MY LORD, THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID! If you could have guaranteed me a Cup in February then I'd have been happy. But, if my memory serves me correctly, there were A LOT of people on here who were not happy that secondary scoring and depth were not addressed. I think Holland not adding depth was a very risky move. It's worked out very well, fortunately, but I don't find his lack of activity at the deadline "smart".

[therock48880 14]

I would have rather had them get a second line player who we could have possibly resigned next year.

That's exactly what I wanted!

[therock48880 14]

wow

Man you have no idea what are you talking about. Please think twice before posting crap like that.

edit: too late :/

Yup, sorry I made a mistake. Luckily everyone does it.

I think this is being blown out of proportion. I'm not saying Holland sucks. All I said was I think he missed on a chance to improve the team at the deadline. Yes, this team's great as it is, but no one knew at the deadline how things would turn out. The Wings were in the midst of a rash of injuries and were about to endure a BRUTAL February. They were HORRIBLE in February. Depth players seemed like common sense to me then and still do. Despite what Heaton says, LaPointe, or any other number of virtually free players, would have helped immensely when Franzen was out.

[Frozen-Man 144]

Hossa signed a long term deal, therefore he's not a rental player.

I don't think that is correct I think he is still going to be a UFA at the end of this year.

http://letsgopens.com/pens_roster.php

Edit: Sorry TheRock I didn't see the other posts before I posted mine. Didn't mean to pile on.

Edited May 27, 2008 by Frozen-Man

[Reds4Life 51]

Despite what Heaton says, LaPointe, or any other number of virtually free players, would have helped immensely when Franzen was out.

Newsflash: Lapointe sucks. Big time.

How could he help more than Filppula, Hudler, Cleary, Drake or Draper or Helm or...? All these players played great when Mule was out.

[Heaton 1]

That's exactly what I wanted!

Wanted, but not needed.

[therock48880 14]

Newsflash: Lapointe sucks. Big time.

How could he help more than Filppula, Hudler, Cleary, Drake or Draper or Helm or...? All these players played great when Mule was out.

Yup, and he's still 5 times better than McCarty. I never said he could help more than Cleary, Drake, etc.... I said he's better than McCarty. Besides, I was only using Lapointe as an example.

[Heaton 1]

Despite what Heaton says, LaPointe, or any other number of virtually free players, would have helped immensely when Franzen was out.

How? What 12th forward makes major impact?

[therock48880 14]

Wanted, but not needed.

As it turns out, true. Luckily for all of us.

[therock48880 14]

How? What 12th forward makes major impact?

If there was a 12th forward who didn't suck as much as McCarty, he could have played more minutes than the 3-4 minutes McCarty got, which would mean less ice time for the big guns, less penalties, etc.....

A roster with a 12th forward who is better than the current 12th forward is a better roster.

This is all so meaningless. I simply refuse to call Holland smart for not adding players at the deadline when the Wings were banged up and losing much more than winning. Luckily, everyone's gotten healthy and things are going great. However, I can't call him smart for standing pat when he had extra money available.

By the way, I WILL call him smart for his masterful cap work and getting the young guns signed to long term deals (except Z, so far) as well as making certain the D-corp is solid for years to come.

Edited May 27, 2008 by therock48880

[Nightfall 871]

The series isn't over, but the notion that the wings needed to make a big trade to compete in the playoffs IS OVER!

How can you see it any other way?

I can't see it any other way, nor did I say that we needed a trade in order to compete. In fact, if you look at the Ducks last year, they didn't make a deadline deal that helped them win the Cup. I know ESPN looked back on the deadline deals and found that a majority of them didn't result in the team doing it winning a championship.

As for the OPs point on apologizing, I intend to see a lot of apology threads here on this forum and I expect a lot of people to admit they were wrong. Heck, these are the same people that have said, "Told you so" after every playoff upset we have been a part of. You can't win a championship every year, but when everything works out and you win it all, the least the fans can do is be supportive and apologize.